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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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Eidorian said:
How about getting the hardware out the door the day of the presentation?

It's something Apple is lacking lately. I had my money ready today. Now I'll just wait for it to hit Amazon or refurbished. Thanks Apple.

iTunes 10 is cutting it close.
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:rolleyes: People will complain that news takes too long if they wait til the 7th, you complain if they announce it 1 week early. See Canon vs Nikon DSLR announcement wars.
janstett said:
I can't find a Youtube vid, but I know for a fact Mercedes put out a commercial touting how the invention of crumple zones was so important, it gave away the patents and now every car has them.
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Merc has done this on several safety features, although I believe sometimes they waited a few years.
 
DMann said:
Gee, it would make much more sense for MS to offer a BD option in a console which interfaces with a large screen TV - ever wonder why they don't? :rolleyes:
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At the time the 360 HD-DVD player was released, it cost $199, which was cheaper than any standalone player on the market. Microsoft was hoping that people would buy an Xbox 360+HD-DVD player, for not much more money than a standalone DVD player...the HD-DVD player for the 360 was probably sold at a small loss because they were hoping that someone who had neither a console or HD-DVD player who wanted an HD-DVD player would buy the combo. Because if you can get an HD-DVD player for $400, or an Xbox 360 and HD-DVD player for $500, which are you going to do? I'd go for the combo. For $100 more, you get the HD-DVD player and a game console. It's an excellent deal.

Now, standalone Blu-ray players are cheap enough that it no longer makes sense to sell an add-on unit for the 360. A 360 is $300, the minimum a Blu-ray player for the 360 might sell for is $100, so now you're looking at $400 for both. Or, a standalone Blu-ray player for $150. Suddenly it's a bigger jump to go from standalone to both, now it's $250 instead of $100, and people would be less likely to go for the combo. I wouldn't. $250 is a lot of money, and a lot harder to swallow than the $100 in the above example with HD-DVD. If standalone Blu-ray players were still $400, I would fully expect Microsoft to be offering a Blu-ray drive addon. But now, it doesn't make sense at all.

I would not be surprised at all if the successor to the 360 has a Blu-ray player. I expect it. Not even for movies (although it'll play them), but for games. Games are going to start to out-grow double layer DVDs and Blu-ray will become a necessity.
 
JAT said:
Wow! You've fixed my problems! Not. You do know that power users exist, right? Perhaps you've not met any, since they don't call the help desk, not needing it. (also describes most Mac users)

This is what I refer to as basic functionality, try to keep up....

Fact 1: I use a web-based enterprise software solution. It frequently needs to use popups to do certain tasks. The popups may wait for user input within the popup or they may close on their own, depending on the query result in the web database. They flash by very fast when the enterprise server is fast, just like any web-based page loading.

Fact 2: WindowsXP keeps track of most recent app focus, so using Alt-Tab and similar app-switching will cycle through the apps in a LIFO order of usage. This order can be altered by Minimizing, but that isn't an issue here. I typically have 5 apps running during the day.

Fact 3: Our enterprise software requires IE6/7 for full functionality. It used to require IE6 only, yes, one of those apps. They are slowly working towards supporting modern browsers, but I have no time frame from them on when it might happen, it was supposed to be last winter. IE8, Safari, Firefox are not completely compatible, not even IE8 in IE7 compatibility mode. Chrome barely even loads anything. The compatibility issues are not related to my problem, however.

Issue: If I run the enterprise software in Safari or Firefox, the popups generally come/go/stay as required, and Safari/Firefox remains the active/focused app, either on its main window or on the popup when necessary. However, if I run this command in IE, the popups and other windows do not maintain focus order properly, frequently losing focus to either the next app in the focus cycle, or the app that would be last in the cycle. Why does the Microsoft app not work with Windows app focus properly when others do? The really beautiful thing? If IE is the only app running, it can still lose focus! Must be like closing its eyes.

There's more!: If I am using the commands that cause these popups frequently during the day, I can manage to get it to behave! I can click a couple extra times on the IE main window while the popups are flying by. After a dozen or so of these interactions, it will start using app focus properly for the rest of the day. (til logoff of Windows) The popups will then always be in focus properly, and revert back to the main IE window. Is there something special about 9am that it sucks, but by 11am I can get it to behave?

I also see many other app-focus annoyances where focus gets hosed, all mainly with Microsoft software, which is 4 of the 5 apps I generally run. (esp when running a task in one MS app, when it finishes it always pushes its way to the top, jumping in front of anything you are doing) So please, explain the PEBCAK to me on this one. I was under the impression that Win was able to multitask beginning with Win95, but I haven't been able to control it ever in any version up through XP. I've been told upgrading to 7 isn't an option as I am firmly part of that 70% of the world stuck with XP, so fixes there wouldn't even matter, not that I would believe they actually fixed it until I try myself.
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I agree 100%. I still have no idea why Windows fans keep trying to tell Mac users on a Mac specific forum that Macs are no good. Do they actually think they will convince us to all go back to that horrid Windows experience because of their posts? It's actually quite funny - as funny as that Lenovo iMac rip off!
 
OzExige said:
why would anyone bother with BR when SDXC cards (see Mac Mini) will hold the equivalent of 50 double layer BR's ? :confused:
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What's "BR"? Do you mean "BD"? ;)

But, the attached images should eliminate your confusion. (And note that the largest available SDXC cards only hold about 28% more than a dual layer BD. Not 5000%. And, they cost 3654% more....)

Yes, Apple should sell movies for $300 on SD cards - I'm sure that they'll fly off the shelves like hotcakes.
 

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OzExige said:
This may have been pointed out previously in this thread, but -

why would anyone bother with BR when SDXC cards (see Mac Mini) will hold the equivalent of 50 double layer BR's ? :confused:
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AidenShaw said:
What's "BR"? Do you mean "BD"? ;)

But, the attached images should eliminate your confusion.
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To this day I still wonder why people bring up flash memory as the future to physical media when it's just so damn cheap to press and screen an image to a plastic disc.

I'm sure we'll just download it directly to our brains when we have stupid amounts of bandwidth and cyberbrains. Well, someday I guess.
 
janstett said:
That would be because they already offerred it for HD-DVD, the dead competitor to Blu-Ray.
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So why rag on Apple then?

janstett said:
I can't find a Youtube vid, but I know for a fact Mercedes put out a commercial touting how the invention of crumple zones was so important, it gave away the patents and now every car has them.
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Irony indeed,

It was Béla Barényi who patented 'The Crumple Zone' in 1952.

Mercedes-Benz obtained the patent from him, and it was his decision to distribute the patent.

KnightWRX said:
Don't worry about it. DMann is quite known for just ignoring any proof that he is wrong and to merrily go one touting his horn.
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Who's ignoring facts here? :rolleyes:

Seems you're quite known for inventing them.

Furthermore, who's the one inclined to go "one touting his horn," here?

KnightWRX said:
Mercedes also have sharing agreements with BMW over technology, parts and materials, but don't tell him that, you'll ruin his bunk analogy ;)
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As in the plethora of bunk analogies expelled by you?

KnightWRX said:
Just notice how he ignored all the proof that Blu-ray isn't fringe that was posted in this thread. Sales, Unit volumes, growth year-over-year, comparisons to DVDs all showing Blu-ray as a clear winner and a very well received technology. He ignored all that and still spouts the "BD is fringe" non-sense as if it was fact.
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Proof?

LOL :p

KnightWRX said:
I think somehow it makes him feel better about all his "Apple can do no wrong" comments if he can just ignore the reality that Apple isn't always right.
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And the petty accusations keep on-a-flying.

I never said anything about right or wrong.

This has more to do with a singular company's perceived best interest, and how that is assessed.

It had been reported that the 16:9 aspect of the redesigned iMacs was made to accommodate BD - sadly, it didn't make it into that revision.

Just because you find this to be utterly disappointing, makes it neither right, nor wrong. :)

MorphingDragon said:
Or that he sees that MS not offering a BD drive after HD-DVD was announced dead is MS ignoring the large TV demographic.

It would seriously only take a firmware update to make the Xbox360 recognize a USB BD Drive and do BD playback.
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Sure, that's excusable, but not for Apple.

The hypocrisy remains astounding.
 
Eidorian said:
To this day I still wonder why people bring up flash memory as the future to physical media when it's just so damn cheap to press and screen an image to a plastic disc.
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True - and for most people (and media conglomerates) the possibility of being "50x bigger" than a BD is not useful.

The "right size" is one that holds the movie and its extra features, or a "season" of a TV show. Putting 50 different movies on one piece of media isn't a feature.

Of course, in ten years when 4K replaces 1080p as the standard, we'll have quad or hex or octo or dodeca layer BDs that meet the "one movie or one season" standard.


Eidorian said:
I'm sure we'll just download it directly to our brains when we have stupid amounts of bandwidth and cyberbrains. Well, someday I guess.
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Someday, when we have "stupid" amounts of always connected *everywhere* bandwidth - the word "download" will disappear. Everything will be in the cloud, and our desktops or terminals will only have small (16 TB) SSDs for caching.

...but I expect that my son will be middle-aged before that happens.
 
AidenShaw said:
What's "BR"? Do you mean "BD"? ;)

But, the attached images should eliminate your confusion. (And note that the largest available SDXC cards only hold about 28% more than a dual layer BD. Not 5000%. And, they cost 3654% more....)

Yes, Apple should sell movies for $300 on SD cards - I'm sure that they'll fly off the shelves like hotcakes.
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Ah AidenShaw <he says, shaking his head knowingly>, you're just too smart by half :)
I said 'will',
as in the future tense?

By your calculations, SD's 'will' (there's that word again) be 1.5 times cheaper than BS's?

BTW - Apple 'will' (and again!) not fit BR's, BD's or BS's to Macs - please get over it - everyone :D
 
MorphingDragon said:
...and Aiden's gay so he would have an adopted child, so it could be anywhere between newborn and 18... unless he's using slang...

I'll stop now.
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Being gay doesn't mean that the parts don't work if you put them into the baby-making places. ;)

In addition to adoption, there's also the possibility of surrogate mothers.

A couple that I know mixed their sperm for a surrogate - and got fraternal twins. One daddy is kind of an Irish strawberry blond, the other daddy is a dark-haired olive-skinned Mediterranean type.

The kids are 5 years old. Alexandra is a strawberry blonde, and Patrick is dark haired and light olive (mom was blonde). Dad and Dad couldn't be happier. Perfect.


OzExige said:
I said 'will',as in the future tense?
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But people are looking for a solution today. I have no doubt that in ten years that SD thumb drives bigger than 50 GB SD drives will be common.

I also have no doubt that in 10 years a 50 GB SD thumb drive will be looked at as a laughably small antique.

Today, is there any alternative to BD for delivering high quality 1080p to the consumer?

Today. Not 2012. Not 2020. Today.

If you boot Windows on your Apple computer with a BD drive, you can watch high quality 1080p content. Insert the disc, and click "Play Movie" on the menu that appears.

If you boot Apple OSX, sorry. (Remember - if it doesn't autoplay, it doesn't "just work".)

And WTF are "BS's"? The common use of "BS" is to refer to the solid digestive waste product of a male bovine mammal. That does not seem to make sense in context - since few people would want Apple to fill an Imac with BS before shipping it.

But many seem to accept whatever BS spews from the orifices of the Turtlenecked Overlord....
 
OzExige said:
Ah AidenShaw <he says, shaking his head knowingly>, you're just too smart by half :)
I said 'will',
as in the future tense?
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Future tense?

What's that? :)

The problem with BD (BS) is that they are non-rewritable - an awful waste, when editing and making multiple revisions. SDs are the way to go.

I would prefer to be rid of the clutter of discs of all types.

With PMCm (Programmable Metallization Cell memory; terabyte thumb drives) on the horizon, Flash may get leap-frogged altogether, as PMCm is predicted to be much cheaper, more energy efficient, and faster.

OzExige said:
By your calculations, SD's 'will' (there's that word again) be 1.5 times cheaper than BS's?
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Perhaps even cheaper than that.

OzExige said:
BTW - Apple 'will' (and again!) not fit BR's, BD's or BS's to Macs - please get over it - everyone :D
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It kind of sucks having to watch BSs on a large HD screen with surround sound, on a dedicated BS player. :cool:

AidenShaw said:
If you boot Windows on your Apple computer with a BD drive, you can watch high quality 1080p content. Insert the disc, and click "Play Movie" on the menu that appears.

If you boot Apple OSX, sorry. (Remember - if it doesn't autoplay, it doesn't "just work".)
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BFD.

It works, nonetheless. :rolleyes:
 
AidenShaw said:
.........

But people are looking for a solution today. I have no doubt that in ten years that SD thumb drives bigger than 50 GB SD drives will be common.
I also have no doubt that in 10 years a 50 GB SD thumb drive will be looked at as a laughably small antique.
Today, is there any alternative to BD for delivering high quality 1080p to the consumer?
Today. Not 2012. Not 2020. Today.
If you boot Windows on your Apple computer with a BD drive, you can watch high quality 1080p content. Insert the disc, and click "Play Movie" on the menu that appears.
If you boot Apple OSX, sorry. (Remember - if it doesn't autoplay, it doesn't "just work".)

And WTF are "BS's"? The common use of "BS" is to refer to the solid digestive waste product of a male bovine mammal. That does not seem to make sense in context - since few people would want Apple to fill an Imac with BS before shipping it.

But many seem to accept whatever BS spews from the orifices of the Turtlenecked Overlord....
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"since few people would want Apple to fill an Imac with BS before shipping it." - Bingo!

nor will Apple fit BD's :D

so (at the risk of repeating myself) - Apple will not fit BD's (or BS's) to Macs

PLEASE GET OVER IT! :apple:

EDIT: or as the 'Turtlenecked Overlord' would say - "Don't hold it that way! - Aiden"
 
OzExige said:
"since few people would want Apple to fill an Imac with BS before shipping it." - Bingo!
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Classic.

Simply priceless.

OzExige said:
nor will Apple fit BD's :D
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This rampant obsession with BS is strangely humorous, especially in regard to computers.

Besides, the sheer convenience of streaming is taking the lead - this seems to be upsetting to some.

OzExige said:
EDIT: or as the 'Turtlenecked Overlord' would say - "Don't hold it that way! - Aiden"
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LOL :p
 
DMann said:
Besides, the sheer convenience of streaming is taking the lead - this seems to be upsetting to some.
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Thats like saying public transport is taking over because of sheer convenience.

But you have to live in an area with good public transport to begin with to be convenient.


AidenShaw said:
(Remember - if it doesn't autoplay, it doesn't "just work".)
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So Office 2010 just doesn't work?

Thanks for answering my questions.

Oh, and Aiden. You know I don't care either way, do I have to change my avatar to a Dr. Cox face?
 
MorphingDragon said:
Holding a cellphone to your head only heats it up around 3-5 degrees Celsius after 3 minutes of calling, youd have to hold a cellphone next to an organism for a very long time to cook it.
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Factor EMR and external microwave sources into the equation, and you'll speed up the process. :)
 
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