Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[KnightWRX]

What is with the hostile attitude? Of course it isn't going to open ip VLC for you, I think we are all aware of how it works.

Did you even read the post I quoted ? The poster pretended it did open up everything autoplay style and was a 1 button solution and included menus.

I'm getting really fed up with the Apple Defense Squad outright lying to prove their points and ignoring the rebuttals. And then they call people like me trolls.

 

[iEdd]

And then they call people like me trolls.

Well... To be fair:

Interests:
Trolling Internet forums

But yes, I do agree that autoplay != rip, then watch. That's not fun at all.

 

[KnightWRX]

Well... To be fair:

Because if I really were intent on trolling, I'd put it right there in my profile right ? MacRumors user profiles are serious business.

 

[DoFoT9]

Did you even read the post I quoted ? The poster pretended it did open up everything autoplay style and was a 1 button solution and included menus.

i dont see any mention of autoplay, i think your assuming "implied" statements to just be hostile towards however posted it.

of course there is no autoplay, i know this because i use it. i dont think he implied that at all (however he did think there was menus for some reason).

I'm getting really fed up with the Apple Defense Squad outright lying to prove their points and ignoring the rebuttals. And then they call people like me trolls.

how do you even know he is an Apple FanBoi? i dont know what high horse you think you are on, nobody is defending the fact that Apple DOESNT have BD playback, you would be stupid. there are many many reasons why apple wouldnt include them, and this is what this thread is about. your attitude suggests that you work with SJ and know his justifications behind not including BD - so go on then, what is the actual justification then??

 

[KnightWRX]

i dont see any mention of autoplay, i think your assuming "implied" statements to just be hostile towards however posted it.

The fact is Aidenshaw asked several times about the autoplay and it was skirted over and DMann went on to describe how easy pweasy MakeMKV is. It's not unless you know what you're doing.

I wasn't actually hostile either, that's you that's implying things. I'm just seriously fed up with DMann posting post after post of blatant lies and ignoring all the rebuttals and facts that get thrown at him each time only to wait a few pages and come back with his trite.

how do you even know he is an Apple FanBoi?

DMann ? Seriously ? I read his posts. He's the last one not on my ignore list yet, and I dunno why to tell you the truth.

I didn't say Fanboi either, I said Apple Defense Squad. The people who no matter what subject are always on Apple's side and will always go by the mantra : "Apple can do no wrong".

 

[iEdd]

The people who no matter what subject are always on Apple's side and will always go by the mantra : "Apple can do no wrong".

Equally, I'm sure the "Apple Defence Squad" see posters like you as hating everything Apple does. It's all a matter of perspective.

 

[KnightWRX]

Equally, I'm sure the "Apple Defence Squad" see posters like you as hating everything Apple does. It's all a matter of perspective.

Except I do not and will often defend Apple on some things. If you actually follow my posts, you'll see several in threads about the Macs where I debunk the "Mac tax" myth and offer balanced comparisons, not to mention the Psystar episode, where I backed Apple 100% (and still do).

Not agreeing with Apple is not hating. No matter how much some people want it to be.

 

[Hawkeye411]

Since we will be receiving ALL of our HD movie content over the Internet using the new Apple TV, there is absolutely no need for Blu-ray. LOL

 

[xbjllb]

And please, provide some evidence of your theory about the online Apple employees.

Your "proof" of Apple's success is just as much proof of boiler rooms as it is "proof" of Apple's success.

Just because no one has seen gravity doesn't mean gravity doesn't exist; we can all clearly see and experience its effect, and woe to the idiot who jumps out of a flying plane without a parachute.

ALL successful corporations spend multi-millions of dollars on publicity campaigns to mold public opinion. Some hire other firms to do it (do a google search) and others, more concerned with secrecy and wanting to appear NOT to be doing so, keep it in house.

These are facts. Some people are able to put facts together and figure things out when presented with facts; others can't, either because of denial or intelligence limitations, and yet other people are paid to hide the truth.

 

[DoFoT9]

The fact is Aidenshaw asked several times about the autoplay and it was skirted over and DMann went on to describe how easy pweasy MakeMKV is. It's not unless you know what you're doing.

so.. aside from autoplay and lack of menus/subtitles - it really cant be any more clear that it works fine. a quick google will reveal the answer aiden was after.

maybe its harder for you, i dont know your skill level. its a bit hard to judge based on an individual user.

I wasn't actually hostile either, that's you that's implying things. I'm just seriously fed up with DMann posting post after post of blatant lies and ignoring all the rebuttals and facts that get thrown at him each time only to wait a few pages and come back with his trite.

call it whatever you want, i just dont see the way you post your replies as the best method to spark a communication with other users. maybe DMann has a busy schedule, or just doesnt care. does it really matter that much to you?

I didn't say Fanboi either, I said Apple Defense Squad. The people who no matter what subject are always on Apple's side and will always go by the mantra : "Apple can do no wrong".

same difference

"apple can do no wrong"... hmm. how much are apple worth? are more and more people switching to macs each year? are apple making record breaking revenues each year? does apple satisfy the +99% CONSUMER user base that they target?

it is time to wake up - apple is no longer a prosumer company, they do not cater for the needs of the high-end hobbiests/professionals as much as the consumers anymore, because the money is not there.

 

[toke lahti]

However it is clear that Apple users are missing on the best available video playback. Whilst most Apple customers are probably fine because they have access to it in one form or another...

Only problem remains that laptop-bd-burners are very expensive at retail.
Looking laptops' prices with bd-burner pre-installed they have to be a lot cheaper when bought in large quantities. This of course in no surprise considering how few laptop user would replace any internal part of their laptop.

If Apple would offer bd-drive pre-installed, it would be much more economical and practical compared to today's situation, where you have to buy expensive and not so practical external bd-drive with your MBP.

There are millions of consumers (and thousands of businesses) worldwide who would totally disagree with you that Mac OS and the computers it runs on "don't amount to much".

Yes there are.
I also think that there are millions of mac users that would welcome all things in my sig and none would be so complicated that they would threaten "just works".
It has been just greed to neglect almost all hardware advancement for last 5 years to make macs cheaper to manufacture.

 

[AidenShaw]

if i had proper (fast) internet connection at the moment i would link you to one of the MANY sites that allow you to download 1080p movies for purchasing/watching etc.

Since we can dream about fast tubes - please do post a list of those sites that legally deliver and sell full bitrate BD movies (1080p plus lossless 7.1 audio) online.

It becomes trickier if we would ask if the BD movie will "legally autoplay".

 

[KnightWRX]

so.. aside from autoplay and lack of menus/subtitles - it really cant be any more clear that it works fine. a quick google will reveal the answer aiden was after.

It works fine, it however doesn't "Just Work". It's not simple, it's not easy pweasy, it's not even remotely viable as an alternative. It's a hack.

maybe its harder for you, i dont know your skill level. its a bit hard to judge based on an individual user.

Being a Linux user for the last 10 years and a full time Unix sysadmin and a hobbyist programmer, I don't have any issue with any level of hacking required to get something to work. Thanks for your concern.

But I don't pretend half my stuff "Just Works" either, nor am I under the illusion that a rip/streaming hack is a worthy replacement for autoplay/BD menus.

call it whatever you want, i just dont see the way you post your replies as the best method to spark a communication with other users. maybe DMann has a busy schedule, or just doesnt care. does it really matter that much to you?

For someone that doesn't care, he sure has a high post count in this thread, defending his position while ignoring rebuttals and constantly repeating falsehoods.


same difference

"apple can do no wrong"... hmm. how much are apple worth? are more and more people switching to macs each year? are apple making record breaking revenues each year? does apple satisfy the +99% CONSUMER user base that they target?

All those things don't make Apple perfect. Being wrong doesn't mean being unsuccesful. You can be both wrong on some points and successful. Are you trying to argue "Apple can do no wrong" because they have financial success ? That means Microsoft or Google can do no wrong either ? Google Wave was perfect, look at Google's stock price and their market cap, and their search market share, yaddi yadda ?

You're entering disingenuous terrain here. Please stop before it's too late.

it is time to wake up - apple is no longer a prosumer company, they do not cater for the needs of the high-end hobbiests/professionals as much as the consumers anymore, because the money is not there.

Consumers are the ones buying Blu-ray, it has nothing to do with prosumers.

 

[GamecockMac]

You do admit, though, that the (some would say "over-")simplification of the product offerings is a factor in the fact that Apples do "just work" for most people.

No, I admit no such thing. Basically, what you are seem to be saying is that Apple refuses to include Blu-ray in their computers because they think it would "complicate" them for their users. Does anyone here honestly believe that should the day come when Apple decides it's time to add Blu-ray to their computers that it will be any less user friendly and intuitive to use than the rest of the features on their machines? It. Will. Just. Work.

Out of curiosity, what other "oversimplifications" are Apple forcing on us poor fanboys that is making our user experience so inferior to that of all the sheeple who mindlessly use whatever flavor of Windows is thrust upon them?

Yes there are.
I also think that there are millions of mac users that would welcome all things in my sig and none would be so complicated that they would threaten "just works".
It has been just greed to neglect almost all hardware advancement for last 5 years to make macs cheaper to manufacture.

As I've said of others making this same assertion, unless you are privy to Apple board meetings or strategy sessions, this is an ignorantly uninformed opinion. I'll agree wholeheartedly with the first part of what you posted, though.

 

[bobr1952]

With All the Streaming Options these days all you need is a good home Network. I will never put in a DVD again.

My problem with streaming options--I use Netflix and love it--but--they still do not provide digital audio 5.1 sound to go along with their video. So for me, I will stick with the post office and have them send me the Blu Ray discs for most movies. For me the sound is of equal importance to the picture.

 

[lilo777]

Since we will be receiving ALL of our HD movie content over the Internet using the new Apple TV, there is absolutely no need for Blu-ray. LOL

Either Internet in Canada is much faster than in US or your average home theater hardware is too cheap to benefit from the real HD. Keep in mind that the only thing that streamed HD video shares with real HD video is resolution. If you want, I can stream you a movie at 1,000,000 x 1,000,000 pixel resolution over a phone modem (at 1 frame per hour). I am not sure you'd enjoy it though.

 

[AidenShaw]

Out of curiosity, what other "oversimplifications" are Apple forcing on us poor fanboys that is making our user experience so inferior to that of all the sheeple who mindlessly use whatever flavor of Windows is thrust upon them?

How about:

The quad-core and hex-core mini-towers using Core i7 CPUs instead of Xeons.

The HDMI port on the MacBooks.

The USB and HDMI ports on the Ipads, and an SDXC slot.

The microSD slots on the IOS devices.​

From the Droid X (and some other) phones you can connect the phone directly to your big screen, and watch your videos and photos right from the camera.

Here's how to do it with a Iphone - but oops, that's analog.

 

[alent1234]

Since we will be receiving ALL of our HD movie content over the Internet using the new Apple TV, there is absolutely no need for Blu-ray. LOL

HD is so 1990's

blu ray to HD is like DVD to VHS

HD looked nice when it first came out, but it looks like crap compared to a good blu ray disc

 

[GamecockMac]

How about:

The quad-core and hex-core mini-towers using Core i7 CPUs instead of Xeons.

The HDMI port on the MacBooks.

The USB and HDMI ports on the Ipads, and an SDXC slot.

The microSD slots on the IOS devices.​

None of the above are examples of Apple "oversimplifying" any of their products to make them more user-friendly, they are hardware choices made by the company for their own reasons (of which neither you nor I are privy).

Try again, hater.

 

[DoFoT9]

Since we can dream about fast tubes - please do post a list of those sites that legally deliver and sell full bitrate BD movies (1080p plus lossless 7.1 audio) online.

still searching, they are far and few between

It becomes trickier if we would ask if the BD movie will "legally autoplay".

i dont see why autoplay is such an important feature. if i download a BD from the internet i am likely to download a number at a time (and overinght at that) - i dont want a bunch to start playing at 3am in the morning.

for streaming, that would be handled by the application and settings that you apply, not the actual movie itself.

It works fine, it however doesn't "Just Work". It's not simple, it's not easy pweasy, it's not even remotely viable as an alternative. It's a hack.

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i honestly dont know how many times i have to say it - it is a workaournd. it never was meant to be a "replacement" to make up for Apple's choice not to include a BD Player.app!

Thanks for your concern.

yes, because opening 2 applications, making a few selections, yada yada, is a hack? more of a means to an end. stop hyperbolating.

But I don't pretend half my stuff "Just Works" either, nor am I under the illusion that a rip/streaming hack is a worthy replacement for autoplay/BD menus.

workaround/means to an end. beating dead horse. etc.

Are you trying to argue "Apple can do no wrong" because they have financial success ?

of course not! i am simply stating that Apple has been making the right moves for some time now. i do not see them adding BD playback (and the much needed BD authoring for those professional users) as a big "want" by the larger population, and i believe that is what it comes down to. majority rules.

Consumers are the ones buying Blu-ray, it has nothing to do with prosumers.

BD Authoring has EVERYTHING to do with prosumers, thus why i mentioned it.

consumers are the ones buying BD, however the large majority of consumers will be using a TV + BD player to watch these movies. i tried to look for a comparison of BD player vs BD ROM sales - i wonder which one wins

edit: happy #3000!!! WOOHOO

 

[KnightWRX]

i dont see why autoplay is such an important feature. if i download a BD from the internet i am likely to download a number at a time (and overinght at that) - i dont want a bunch to start playing at 3am in the morning.

Autoplay means double clicking the file/inserting the disc and it plays, not that it automagically launches after download.

i honestly dont know how many times i have to say it - it is a workaournd. it never was meant to be a "replacement" to make up for Apple's choice not to include a BD Player.app!

Workaround, otherwise known as a hack. Seriously, MakeMKV is the DeCSS of Blu-ray, it's a hack to remove AACS and transcode the movie. They just added a streaming server to their app to stream it directly so you don't have to wait for the entire process to be done before playing back.

There's nothing wrong with hacks. Linux is basically a big hack in and of itself. However to pretend such hacks are worthy alternatives or even viable workarounds is ludicrous.

This is not a replacement. You even agree it's not. So let's stop pretending that Blu-ray playback just arrived on OS X with this, it hasn't.

 

[DoFoT9]

Autoplay means double clicking the file/inserting the disc and it plays, not that it automagically launches after download.

its streamed media we are discussing, i had to relate it somehow

Workaround, otherwise known as a hack. Seriously, MakeMKV is the DeCSS of Blu-ray, it's a hack to remove AACS and transcode the movie. They just added a streaming server to their app to stream it directly so you don't have to wait for the entire process to be done before playing back.

hack denotes that the product was not originally intended to serve that purpose, where as workaround implies that it works - it just might be a longer process. i guess we have differing views.

There's nothing wrong with hacks. Linux is basically a big hack in and of itself. However to pretend such hacks are worthy alternatives or even viable workarounds is ludicrous.

i had to laugh at this. i feel as though you paid out your own OS nice

This is not a replacement. You even agree it's not. So let's stop pretending that Blu-ray playback just arrived on OS X with this, it hasn't.

never said that it was a replacement (there is nothing to replace). it is simply a means to an end. we want BD playback at the lowest level? we now have it!

 

[KnightWRX]

hack denotes that the product was not originally intended to serve that purpose, where as workaround implies that it works - it just might be a longer process. i guess we have differing views.

No, we agree actually. You just said this was an hack. The product (the movie on Blu-ray) was not originally intended to serve that purpose (getting ripped and streamed by MakeMKV). It is this a hack.

i had to laugh at this. i feel as though you paid out your own OS nice

There's no sense in pretending otherwise when the most prominent guys behind it call themselves hackers.

never said that it was a replacement (there is nothing to replace).

Sure there is, legitimate BD playback is what is being "replaced". Except this isn't a replacement for it. It's a dirty hack that happens to sort of work, as long as you only care about the movie without any interactivity like switching subtitles/languages on the fly.

 

[AidenShaw]

- HD is so 1990's
- blu ray to HD is like DVD to VHS
- HD looked nice when it first came out, but it looks like crap compared to a good blu ray disc

I understand you - but had to laugh.

There's no honor among providers of "HD" content.

Some will say that any 16x9 content is "HD" (even if it's a 10 second porno clip at 300 Kbps and 400x224 pixels).

Others (including a certain consumer electronics/media company) only call video "HD" if it is at least 720p (1280x720 pixels). It doesn't matter if the compression is so high (and the bitrate so low) that it looks like crap, it has enough pixels to meet one definition of "HD".
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Some, having watched TrueHD 1080p from a 30 Mbps stream or higher from a Blu-ray Disc on a 1080p screen at an appropriate distance¹, think that "HD" means "High Definition" - and notice that a lot of "HD" content is in no way "High Definition".

Unfortunately, the effective definition of "HD" is number of pixels, not the quality of the experience.


¹"Appropriate distance" depends on the screen size and viewing distance. At normal typing distance, one can easily see the difference between high bandwidth 720p and high bandwidth 1080p on a 15" or even 13" laptop. If you're 12 metres from a 55" LCD, you probably can't tell the difference.

None of the above are examples of Apple "oversimplifying" any of their products to make them more user-friendly, they are hardware choices made by the company for their own reasons (of which neither you nor I are privy).

I would think that most readers would consider it a bit of accepted wisdom that Apple's restriction of hardware options reduces their support matrix, and helps with "just works".

You are moving the goal posts if you say "user-friendly", when we were discussing how reducing hardware options helps with "just works".

Try again, hater.

Good job - go for the personal attack.

still searching, they are far and few between

I wouldn't worry too much about being proven wrong if I claim that the number of sites offering legal downloads of original bitrate BD movies with original lossless 7.1 audio streams is exactly zero.

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Logically, though, that would mean that all of the people here who say that they are downloading 1080p BD movies are pirates. Hmmm.

 

[DoFoT9]

No, we agree actually. You just said this was an hack. The product (the movie on Blu-ray) was not originally intended to serve that purpose (getting ripped and streamed by MakeMKV). It is this a hack.

woops, forgot i said that! its a low-status hack, fine

There's no sense in pretending otherwise when the most prominent guys behind it call themselves hackers.

ha touche

Sure there is, legitimate BD playback is what is being "replaced". Except this isn't a replacement for it. It's a dirty hack that happens to sort of work, as long as you only care about the movie without any interactivity like switching subtitles/languages on the fly.

its not a viable solution for me, as i stream to many/all computers/devices around the house. i actually like ripping the BDs to my hard drives - i hate the "go and find the disc then watch it right now" thing. i rip them to .mkv, then have programs to transcode to any device i like. its a good system

anyway, i dont know. im not bothered by BD Player.app (or lack of). others are i guess, i have a solution that works for me (works better imho).

I wouldn't worry too much about being proven wrong if I claim that the number of sites offering legal downloads of original bitrate BD movies with original lossless 7.1 audio streams is exactly zero.

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Logically, though, that would mean that all of the people who are downloading 1080p BD movies are pirates. Hmmm.

i said i couldnt find Full 1080p rips in 7.1 surround. i did however find a site that advertised some pretty decent rips, they were 1080p and in some cases were +10GB in size, from what i can remember anyway. so reverse your logical statement