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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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GamecockMac said:
Your single computer purchase won't be missed. Sorry to burst your bubble. :rolleyes:
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One might not, but the thousands and thousands of others who make the same decision to buy a PC instead will. I know for a fact apple is losing hundred if not thousands of sales based on the fact they will not allow a blu-ray drive even as an option. Hollywood is embracing blu-ray, on movie sets, in production houses, etc. Since apple refuses to even allow them an option they have no choice but to go with a PC.
 
leroypants said:
One might not, but the thousands and thousands of others who make the same decision to buy a PC instead will. I know for a fact apple is losing hundred if not thousands of sales based on the fact they will not allow a blu-ray drive even as an option. Hollywood is embracing blu-ray, on movie sets, in production houses, etc. Since apple refuses to even allow them an option they have no choice but to go with a PC.
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And how do you know this as a fact? My opinion is that the number of people who would decide against any particular computer due to a lack of a Bluray drive is minimal at best, but of course I'm not spouting my ignorance as fact. Try backing up your claims with actual facts instead of just claiming that you "know for a fact."

jW
 
leroypants said:
One might not, but the thousands and thousands of others who make the same decision to buy a PC instead will. I know for a fact apple is losing hundred if not thousands of sales based on the fact they will not allow a blu-ray drive even as an option. Hollywood is embracing blu-ray, on movie sets, in production houses, etc. Since apple refuses to even allow them an option they have no choice but to go with a PC.
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i like blu ray but i don't care if i don't have bd drive in a computer. most people watch movies on TV. what i want is more blu ray movies with the digital copy as part of the package so i can rip a copy to watch on the go

after taking CD's with me on deployments in the military, the last thing i want is to take disks with me when i go somewhere.
 
wschutz said:
But he wouldn't get any cent for each single copy :) That's why he doesn't want to see any BR near "his" machines (that he is turning into a platform for iTunes and all others making-Apple-profit platforms...)
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How significant do you really think or even know how much Blue-Ray will affect Apple's margin?
 
Mal said:
And how do you know this as a fact? My opinion is that the number of people who would decide against any particular computer due to a lack of a Bluray drive is minimal at best, but of course I'm not spouting my ignorance as fact. Try backing up your claims with actual facts instead of just claiming that you "know for a fact."

jW
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Just letting you know what I see if first hand, I work in the film industry as a grip/electrician and have plenty of editor and production crew friends. Plenty of productions are put time code burned dailies on Blu ray discs. It is far easier and cheaper to do 10 blu ray discs than it is to do 10 hard drives. Of course that does not matter, all we need to know is that Jobs told you one thing and that you don't not need or even want the option for a Blu ray drive.
 
alent1234 said:
i like blu ray but i don't care if i don't have bd drive in a computer. most people watch movies on TV. what i want is more blu ray movies with the digital copy as part of the package so i can rip a copy to watch on the go

after taking CD's with me on deployments in the military, the last thing i want is to take disks with me when i go somewhere.
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I could not agree with you more, as long as the digital downloads are free when included with a Blu ray. I can't stand the Jobs model of paying 20-30 bucks for a Blu Ray and then have to pay another 15 just to watch it on my laptop, because he will not even give me the option of a blu ray drive.
 
leroypants said:
One might not, but the thousands and thousands of others who make the same decision to buy a PC instead will. I know for a fact apple is losing hundred if not thousands of sales based on the fact they will not allow a blu-ray drive even as an option. Hollywood is embracing blu-ray, on movie sets, in production houses, etc. Since apple refuses to even allow them an option they have no choice but to go with a PC.
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Do you really care how much money Apple is losing by not selling a Mac with Blu-Ray ? I may want Blu-Ray but Apple is a business and I could care less what their decisions makes for them or cost them.
 
Plutonius said:
Do you really care how much money Apple is losing by not selling a Mac with Blu-Ray ? I may want Blu-Ray but Apple is a business and I could care less what their decisions makes for them or cost them.
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You're right, btw apple has what about 5% of the computer market?
 
I remember not so long ago Steve also said that Adobe was not coming to iPhone. That did not last long. So I would not be surprised if he changed his mind on BluRay too.
 
leroypants said:
Just letting you know what I see if first hand, I work in the film industry as a grip/electrician and have plenty of editor and production crew friends. Plenty of productions are put time code burned dailies on Blu ray discs. It is far easier and cheaper to do 10 blu ray discs than it is to do 10 hard drives. Of course that does not matter, all we need to know is that Jobs told you one thing and that you don't not need or even want the option for a Blu ray drive.
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In other words, you see a need within that small niche. I grant you that for production houses, having the ability to burn Bluray disks on the Mac is important. That is not, however, any indication of proof to your statement that "thousands and thousands of others who make the same decision to buy a PC instead will." After all, you can already burn data disks on the Mac, using Toast, and I'm sure there are studios putting that to use. I have no doubt that Bluray authoring will appear on the Mac soon, either as an offering from Apple or a third-party, but even that would not necessitate Bluray drives shipping with any Mac. At most, I expect an optional add-on for the Mac Pro at some point. Consumer Macs, which make up the vast majority of Apple's computer sales, will likely not see Bluray, however.

I love the veiled fanboy reference at the end, btw. Thanks for telling me how I think. I always thought I didn't really have a need or desire for HD video, on my computer or otherwise (I have hardly any DVD's, and no Bluray disks or players, and don't have any plans to get them at all, it's just a non-issue to me). I do, however, think I have a pretty good grasp on the industry overall, and Bluray is currently only important in home theater setups. Having Bluray on a computer is a non-essential add-on for your average consumer, and even for most prosumers. Hence, Apple has no particular need to worry about adding it any time soon.

jW
 
Mal said:
In other words, you see a need within that small niche.
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I am sorry, my mistake, I thought that Apple was gearing it's products towards professionals especially those in the film, documentary and television world. I thought apple was supposed to be the best product for anyone in the film industry.

Mal said:
I grant you that for production houses, having the ability to burn Bluray disks on the Mac is important. That is not, however, any indication of proof to your statement that "thousands and thousands of others who make the same decision to buy a PC instead will." After all, you can already burn data disks on the Mac, using Toast, and I'm sure there are studios putting that to use. I have no doubt that Bluray authoring will appear on the Mac soon, either as an offering from Apple or a third-party, but even that would not necessitate Bluray drives shipping with any Mac. At most, I expect an optional add-on for the Mac Pro at some point. Consumer Macs, which make up the vast majority of Apple's computer sales, will likely not see Bluray, however.
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So you admit that production houses, the film, and television industry need the ability to burn and view blu ray discs is important, yet refuse to believe they would buy a pc with the ability to do so instead?


Mal said:
I love the veiled fanboy reference at the end, btw. Thanks for telling me how I think. I always thought I didn't really have a need or desire for HD video, on my computer or otherwise (I have hardly any DVD's, and no Bluray disks or players, and don't have any plans to get them at all, it's just a non-issue to me).
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So you are one person out of how many millions? I guess since you don't need it no one else on the planet does.


Mal said:
I do, however, think I have a pretty good grasp on the industry overall, and Bluray is currently only important in home theater setups.
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Wrong again, plenty of people do not want to have to buy a blu ray and a separate version to view on a mac. Then again you don't need it so no one else does.

Mal said:
Having Bluray on a computer is a non-essential add-on for your average consumer, and even for most prosumers. Hence, Apple has no particular need to worry about adding it any time soon.
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Yet again you are wrong, why isn't apple at least offering people the OPTION of a blu ray drive. No one is saying that a blu ray drive is required, just that it should be an option. I have never said that every mac product should come with a blu ray drive. You should be able to buy it as an optoon but his majesty will not allow it. You can't give a single reason why Jobs is not allowing the option, other than his typical pettiness, and his need to shove poorly encoded overpriced itunes store down your throat.
 
Mal said:
In other words, you see a need within that small niche.
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To be fair, while it is a niche, it's a pretty big niche. Apparently the film industry is the second biggest money maker in the world, right behind the arms industry. Now I don't have a reference for that one (it was just random chat with a dop) and even if it is true only a portion of that would be spent on the computers involved in the industry, but still.

Offices may only represent a small niche of the computer industry, but Microsoft Office isn't complaining about that.

Personally, the fact that Apple has allowed the flash compiler thingy into the app store gives me hope that they will soften their restrictions on blu ray in the not too distant future.
 
Bluray not just for commercial movies

Job's position makes no sense. Very hard to believe it is real. With HD camcorders and everyone making home movies, what can people output and store them on if not bluray? It's as if Macs never included cd drives in order to promote iTunes. CD drives were a storage breakthrough, so were dvds and now it's bluray. Modern digital cameras can easily consume 10GB of space in a day, backups should be to bluray, dvds are too small. Lack of bluray with no alternatives? It's just idiotic.

On the other hand I have put a bluray drive in my 2008 Mac Pro which I use for these reasons, with Toast. I understand, though, that many people have problems doing this because not all bluray recorders work in a Mac. It is all a very unsatisfactory situation and I would certainly believe it is hurting Mac sales, and because it is so obviously customer abusive, it is hurting Mac goodwill in general.
 
iEdd said:
What country? Everyone knows that USA is the centre of the universe. :rolleyes:
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The irony is that we can barely download anything big due to our crappy, expensive broadband.
linux2mac said:
I wonder if this means Steve will have to brown bag lunch now?
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Pretty sure his salary will be covered by another purchaser.
toke lahti said:
Actually the definition of "HD" really says that picture has to have 720 horizontal lines. Interlace blur in 1080i makes it equal in "real" resolution.
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That is only one part of it, the definition also includes horizontal resolution. And 1280x720 is generally considered the smallest HD, per ATSC white papers. Yes, they discuss lower resolutions, but those are generally classified as EDTV. And, while ATSC doesn't technically mean anything to video formats on computers, it is the source people use to define "HD" in most cases. (not counting advertisments)

Eg. dvcprohd has 960x720 luma pixels and 480x720 chroma pixels, which means 1.4M samples per frame. Pretty far from fullHD 4:4:4, which has 6.2M samples per frame. Result of course is that when almost anything can be called "HD" (like itunes movies) it doesn't mean anything qualitywise anymore.
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One derived camera system does not change the HDTV world. Sure, anything can use the letters "HD" in order, doesn't really mean anything. Are you trying to be technically specific, or go with labels on boxes at Megamart?
 
lilo777 said:
I remember not so long ago Steve also said that Adobe was not coming to iPhone. That did not last long. So I would not be surprised if he changed his mind on BluRay too.
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Wrong. He said Flash wasn't coming to the iDevices. That hasn't changed. I know it's tough with your busy schedule of trolling MacRumors Forums, but try to keep up.

janstett said:
Hmm, I have a HTPC in my media room and another in my living room. That's at least two computers that Apple missed sales on because they don't support Blu-Ray.

Eventually all these "single computer purchases" add up, especially when it's professionals and pro-sumers who used to be the biggest advocates of the Mac platform who are turning away.
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leroypants said:
One might not, but the thousands and thousands of others who make the same decision to buy a PC instead will. I know for a fact apple is losing hundred if not thousands of sales based on the fact they will not allow a blu-ray drive even as an option.
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Apparently, neither one of these posters has a clue about Mac sales over the past few years. In the future, try to educate yourselves before you expose your ignorance to hundreds if not thousands of forum members. It's really not that hard to find this information.
 
GamecockMac said:
Apparently, neither one of these posters has a clue about Mac sales over the past few years. In the future, try to educate yourselves before you expose your ignorance to hundreds if not thousands of forum members. It's really not that hard to find this information.
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I know about mac sales, they have what 5% of the computer market? I understand you lack the intelligence and ability to even form a basic argument against me so all you can do is resort to insults. It proves that I am right about Steve not even allowing Blu-ray as an option on macs.

I will explain it to you like I would a six year old. You might have sold four boxes of cookies last year and 5 boxes of cookies this year. Yes that is an increase, but if you added chocolate chips you most likely would sell more.
 
The latest canary in the coal mine for this debate is....

..Blockbuster, poised to collapse this fall.

So much for Blu-Rays being compelling enough to run out and rent them over on demand options such as those provided by your cable provider, Xbox, PS3, AppleTV, Amazon's Video On Demand, Walmart, Best Buy, Sears, Kmart, even Blockbuster, and etc, etc.
 
GamecockMac said:
Is that the same as allowing Flash to function natively on iDevices? I didn't think so. Try to keep up.
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That wasn't what the poster you replied to hinted at. He was specifically talking about Apple changing their minds enabling the Flash to iOS compiler.

Work on your reading comprehension. And do try to keep up.
 
iEdd said:
People still use torrents? ;)
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There's nothing funny about theft. People who create suffer, and people who buy legitimately pay far more than they have to to subsidize lousy POS thieves.

:apple:

MacNewsFix said:
..Blockbuster, poised to collapse this fall.

So much for Blu-Rays being compelling enough to run out and rent them over on demand options such as those provided by your cable provider, Xbox, PS3, AppleTV, Amazon's Video On Demand, Walmart, Best Buy, Sears, Kmart, even Blockbuster, and etc, etc.
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For every dead Blockbuster, there's a Fry's with a Blu-ray section increasing exponentially. Someone besides me is buying them.

You just have to know where to look at and what company to watch. People with enough money to own know where to go.

Poor people who rent don't have very sophisticated tastes, demands, or that many plasmas either.

:apple:
 
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