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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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pr5owner said:
what do you mean not standard? you dont order a mac with the barebone options only do you? im sure people can click a checkbox if they need an additional item, its a STANDARD part, nothing needs to be special ordered, its not a hidden option
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And you fail to tell me which OEM that is from - sorry, no evidence, no OEM name, you lose. You've yet to prove me wrong that the majority of laptops and desktops are being sold as standard without BluRay burners. I'm waiting but I don't expect you to prove it just as you've failed to do so in the past.
 
MorphingDragon said:
EDIT: I was looking at iMac compatible slimline drives, not 5.25" drives. 5.25" drives are about $200.
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Fair enough; I was assuming that the paradigm was "whatever's the cheapest" regardless of asthetics or convenience. Plus I was also guilty of being Americanocentric by assuming USA prices, not ROW.

pr5owner said:
i was stating that most mac users are paying a premium for absolutely nothing in return.
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Clarification: nothing that you personally value. Fortunately, we're all different....oh, and if price wasn't a factor, then it would have never been mentioned.

i dont have a problem spending money, but that money better be going somewhere and doing something. Paying premium amounts should return the latest in premium hardware for example, not the kind of slow ass crap apple comes out with.
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smali said:
Slower in raw processing power maybe your right. At consumer level productivity what Apple produces is not slow at all, in fact quicker than a windows box. I am amazed at how much Windows bothers you before even getting on with a simple task (granted W7 has improved on this) and working with it all day is a Pain.

One thing you can't refute mr apple hater, macs are great for people who care about the computing they are doing, not the computer itself. ;)
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Agreed, in part: its the recognition that hardware specs alone mean utterly nothing: the totality of context is the sum of the system which results in customer productivity & satisfaction.

As a rule of thumb, as soon as one delives into the techhie minutia of faster hardware and the like, the risk is high that perspective for relevance and significance will be lost.

Thus, we have individuals who are obsessed with a 1.8GHz CPU over a 1GHZ hardware, and yet utterly ignore relative efficiencies in software/OS and thus miss the fact that at the system level, the "slower" hardware somehow boots up 2x-3x faster. YMMV, but such system level metrics are what matters more to an end user who's not playing chest-beating games, but simply wants to (gasp) actually use the tool to get something productive done.


-hh
 
macintoshtoffy said:
And you fail to tell me which OEM that is from - sorry, no evidence, no OEM name, you lose. You've yet to prove me wrong that the majority of laptops and desktops are being sold as standard without BluRay burners. I'm waiting but I don't expect you to prove it just as you've failed to do so in the past.
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i got it from the dell link i posted....???, that screen shot is dell.com

-hh said:
Thus, we have individuals who are obsessed with a 1.8GHz CPU over a 1GHZ hardware, and yet utterly ignore relative efficiencies in software/OS and thus miss the fact that at the system level, the "slower" hardware somehow boots up 2x-3x faster. YMMV, but such system level metrics are what matters more to an end user who's not playing chest-beating games, but simply wants to (gasp) actually use the tool to get something productive done.
-hh
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im talking about that too, a base model 64GB ipad is $700ish?
a netbook with the dualcore and everything mentioned is $500, a 128GB Sandforce controled SSD is $189, for 10 cheaper, not only will the netbook

1) boot faster and come out of standby in under a second (the ipad takes about 1 second)
2) open everything near instantly (try a fast laptop with a fast SSD, it will blow your mind at the speed it can load programs and multi task)
3) holds twice the amount for storage
4) loads and renderes web pages faster
5) has hdmi out and can play 1080p without a sweat

i had a "crappy" ssd from kingston in my old laptop that could only copy at 200MB/s which is really slow compared to a sandforce SSD, however, i clicked on Outlook, Pidgin, Firefox, Opera, VMWare, Skype, and KM Player all near the same time 1 click after the other, they all opened within 5 seconds. thats the speed diffrence of an SSD vs a magnetic drive, the old magnetic drive would of taken at least 2-3 mins to open all those programs.

also the netbook can run any desktop application as well as 64bit apps.

steve said, the ipad does video better, im not so sure about that, it cant play bluray rips or bluray quality anything. the 1GHz samsung cpu kinda sucks in that department
 
pr5owner said:
i got it from the dell link i posted....???, that screen shot is dell.com
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What part of standard don't you understand; does it come by default with it - yes or no? It doesn't - therefore shut up until you can provide me with a large mainstream OEM providing midrange machines with BluRay burners by default and not through customisation. Also, I am talking about retail stores, not online sellers either - again, try again and this time put some bloody effort into it.
 
Originally Posted by KnightWR View Post
Except the Music download industry as been at it for quite some time, and they still haven't killed off the CD. How long do you think video is going to take ?
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The question is not "When will Apple kill off the CD?" No one cares about that.
The question is "When will Apple have a profitable digital music distribution network." - and I think you will find that was quite a while ago.

Like it or not, the transition to internet distributed video has already started. Apple does not need to kill-off disk-based video. It just needs to get a sufficient chunk of the distribution market - and let Moore's law do the rest of the work.

Sabotaging its own nascent efforts by supporting BluRay would be a perverse move wouldn't it?
 
Audrey2070 said:
The question is not "When will Apple kill off the CD?" No one cares about that.
The question is "When will Apple have a profitable digital music distribution network." - and I think you will find that was quite a while ago.

Like it or not, the transition to internet distributed video has already started. Apple does not need to kill-off disk-based video. It just needs to get a sufficient chunk of the distribution market - and let Moore's law do the rest of the work.

Sabotaging its own nascent efforts by supporting BluRay would be a perverse move wouldn't it?
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Moore's law is about the growth of transistors in a CPU as time passes.

I think what you want is the Long Tail Theory or another related Media Studies theory.
 
macintoshtoffy said:
The fact that no computer today comes as standard with a BluRay burner makes your point completely invalid. Come back and tell me when BluRay burners are standard in laptops and desktops then your position might hold some merit.
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Welcome to 2010.

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/390268.html

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/390269.html

And a company (Sony) that knows a killer opportunity when they see it, by knowing how to service video/audio pros.

As opposed to crapping rotten seeds on them.

leroypants said:
It is utterly pathetic the lengths at with "cult of apple" members will go to in order to defend being screwed by apple. Then again apple drones are more marchers walking single file in line to the gospel of Jobs, rather than free thinkers and innovators they might have once been.
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Agreed, seconded, and so passed in the court of public opinion.

pr5owner said:
i was stating that most mac users are paying a premium for absolutely nothing in return.

i dont have a problem spending money, but that money better be going somewhere and doing something. Paying premium amounts should return the latest in premium hardware for example, not the kind of slow ass crap apple comes out with.
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Our problem is continuing to go to a fad toymaker (WhammoCrappel) and expecting cutting edge technology from Willie Wonka.

Audrey2070 said:
The question is not "When will Apple kill off the CD?" No one cares about that.
The question is "When will Apple have a profitable digital music distribution network." - and I think you will find that was quite a while ago.

Like it or not, the transition to internet distributed video has already started. Apple does not need to kill-off disk-based video. It just needs to get a sufficient chunk of the distribution market - and let Moore's law do the rest of the work.

Sabotaging its own nascent efforts by supporting BluRay would be a perverse move wouldn't it?
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Sabotaging its entire high end pro computer line by NOT supporting BluRay and beating off its pro user base while depending on the fad whims of kiddies and cheap but highly overpriced crap to carry them into the future is a far more perverse move, and one that will ultimately prove to have been the beginning of the end for Apple, corresponding with, in retrospect, the beginning of the recognition of Job's insanity and brain damage.

Apple's bottom line success today is merely a bubble. The wise are well to get out now before it pops.

:apple:
 
xbjllb said:
Welcome to 2010.

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/390268.html

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/390269.html

And a company that knows how to service video/audio pros.

As opposed to crapping rotten seeds on them.

:apple:
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How is that system standard? It looks like a niche for a workstation (which in itself is a niche). Besides, Macintoshtoffy has already stated that his statement was targeted at retail and consumer grade electronics.

--Also that system is one massive ripoff--
 
MorphingDragon said:
How is that system standard? It looks like a niche for a workstation (which in itself is a niche). Besides, Macintoshtoffy has already stated that his statement was targeted at retail and consumer grade electronics.

--Also that system is one massive ripoff--
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I don't know that much about blu-ray burners so don't jump on me if I've got my facts wrong but PC World in the UK are advertising at least 5 consumer laptops with built in BD-R drives.
 
Audrey2070 said:
The question is not "When will Apple kill off the CD?" No one cares about that.
The question is "When will Apple have a profitable digital music distribution network." - and I think you will find that was quite a while ago.

Like it or not, the transition to internet distributed video has already started. Apple does not need to kill-off disk-based video. It just needs to get a sufficient chunk of the distribution market - and let Moore's law do the rest of the work.

Sabotaging its own nascent efforts by supporting BluRay would be a perverse move wouldn't it?
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Ok, can you point me at which point exactly did Macs stop having CD playback in order to "not sabotage the iTunes Music Store" nascent effort ? Because that would have been a perverse move right ? :rolleyes:
 
OllyW said:
This forum is blocking the link.

Try pasting this link into your browser.

pcworld.co.uk/gbuk/laptops/703_7006_70006_xx_xx/xx-criteria.html?sSortInfo=price-desc
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But how representative that list is of a typical retail store? They stock Alienware Laptops which isn't all that common in a Retail store. (Not that I've seen in NZ, AUS, Japan or Ireland)
 
xbjllb said:
Welcome to 2010.

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/390268.html

http://www.fullcompass.com/product/390269.html

And a company (Sony) that knows a killer opportunity when they see it, by knowing how to service video/audio pros.

As opposed to crapping rotten seeds on them.
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So a $5,000 system from an online retailer fits the requirements of my latest post? how about read the latest post I made regarding what I said instead of replying to some ancient post made ages ago. Get with the programme mate.
 
OllyW said:
So do we agree it's possible to buy a consumer laptop with a blu-ray burner fitted as standard?
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Was this even in question ? Seriously, don't try to argue with the goal post movers. They will just move the target as soon as you look like you're hitting it.
 
OllyW said:
So do we agree it's possible to buy a consumer laptop with a blu-ray burner fitted as standard?
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Yes, but what I think Macintoshtoffy was trying to say (Remember this is his argument we are participating in and arguing) is that he hasn't seen them with enough frequency to call BD writers standard in the retail space. He wasn't arguing that you couldn't get them.


KnightWRX said:
Was this even in question ? Seriously, don't try to argue with the goal post movers. They will just move the target as soon as you look like you're hitting it.
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*Cough*

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Woops my finger slipped. :rolleyes:
 
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