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Whole lotta people sold plenty of penny candy and bubble gum during the Great Depression.

iPad is merely the highend of Apple's cheap overpriced iToy division.

A mere year or two away from being killed by the competition.

Watch.

:apple:

I'm scared to fathom the depth of your insanity...

*Goes and plays Blur*


Also, think about what you're saying. The only development environment for iOS is Xcode for Mac. There's no way Apple are going to kill off their desktop OS and let all their iOS development be run on Windows.

DragonFly BSD will be the easiest to port the developer tools and friends to. It uses a more modern version of the Kernel Based messaging Mach uses.
 
bluray is history. movie streaming is the future. :)

WAY future though. There's not enough internet bandwidth to deliver true HD and rich sound with the current infrastructure. That can and will change - but not for several years.

Blu-Ray will be around for several several years.
 
bluray is history. movie streaming is the future. :)

Don't agree. People want physical copies of their media and the infrastructure for Blu-Ray quality streaming won't be around for another 5-10 years.

Also if you look at Blu-Ray sales they keep going up and up, for example Iron Man 2 took 52% market share for DVD and BD combined for it's first week. Blu-Ray is far from history.
 
Whole lotta people sold plenty of penny candy and bubble gum during the Great Depression.

iPad is merely the highend of Apple's cheap overpriced iToy division.

A mere year or two away from being killed by the competition.

Watch.

:apple:

LOL! Competition? Not with iOS around. Plus combined with superior aesthetics from Apple - everything else is ugly and buggy.

Allow me to show you reality - read article below.

LG Shelves Android 2.2 Tablet Plans: OS to Blame?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/206942/lg_shelves_android_22_tablet_plans_os_to_blame.html?tk=hp_new

Could you please show me some facts to back up your assertion that the iPad is "a mere year or two away from being killed by the competition?" Oh wait, there is none. :D
 
Except that you've failed to explain reality. Specifically, why the Studios have stopped embracing BD as the sole path forward and have changed direction by developing 3-way combo packs of {BD + DVD + DC (Digital Copy)} ... and not only that, but they are actively selling & marketing their IP wares at often surprisingly aggressive price points.
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You're completely missing the point behind these Blu-Ray combo packs. It's got nothing to do with hedging bets against the format. Quite the opposite.

They still offer the films on DVD-only packages (so much for your strawman). The combo pack phenomenon started with, IIRC, the Pixar films. In this case, the Blu-Ray appeals to dad for watching in the expensive home theater room, but Blu-Ray won't be adopted for in-car entertainment for a while if ever. That leaves Dad with the ugly option of buying two copies of the movie, one on DVD for the kids to use in their in-car and cheap home systems, and one on Blu-Ray. Further, the triple combo pack only occurs with child films and big budget blockbusters like Iron Man 2. You don't see it with Seven Samauri or Dr. Zhivago.

The digital copy is a parallel effort to prevent people from ripping by giving them a legal portable version of the movie.

Really, by offering all three discs it shows the movie studios understand the point of Blu-Ray (the best possible presentation) while acknowledging that, at least with certain kinds of movies, the kiddies are going to need a DVD and they spare the Blu-Ray buyer from buying multiple copies of the same movie or pirating the Blu-Ray.

Additionally, it encourages people who don't have Blu-Ray players yet to buy the Blu-Ray version because they can watch the DVD until they have a Blu-Ray player.
 

I love how the article claims the recession ended in 2009. I must have missed it.

I'm a Mac user of 16 years and recovering Apple evangelist. But I'm no longer sure if their hardware and platform has much future in my profession (graphic designer and videographer).

A number of us agree, but it's damned sad to see and think about.
 
BD players have analog audio output, going back to my Sony's back panel:

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Group 3 is standard left-right analog stereo with RCA jacks.

Group 4 is 7.1 sound - you'd connect 2.1 through 7.1 analog channels here (the ".1" is sub-woofer - if you had stereo with a separate subwoofer channel you'd use left-right front + subwoofer).

If all you want is analog audio, read no further.

A lot of the cheaper Blu-Ray players are eliminating multichannel analog audio. I bought a Visio for $110 last xmas that has no multichannel analog. It makes sense from a cost-reduction standpoint -- fewer DACs, no need to license IP from Dolby/DTS if all you need to do is bitstream.

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Additionally, when the first players came out, many of them did not decode some or all of the HD codecs (Dolby True HD, DTS HD-MA) over the anlaog outputs. I assume that new players decode everything, but it hasn't always been true if it is true today.

And as a side note, the PS3 has never offerred a multichannel analog output option.

bluray is history. movie streaming is the future. :)

So are flying cars -- got your helport in your front lawn paved yet?

No?

How are you getting to work today?
 
That's how the BluRay problem will be solved:

- Microsoft buys Adobe.
- Sooner than later MS-Adobe drops their Mac support (they will create a few successful iOS apps though).
- The remaining Apple creative professionals are thus forced to switch to Windows.
- Apple does nothing to prevent that, because they don't care about creative pros anymore. In fact, they will be relieved they got rid off their most demanding but least profitable customers so easily. No more whining about complicated and expensive stuff like BD and 1080p, nor missing ugly ports that would destroy the "Apple look".
- With iOS steadily growing market share Apple also starts losing interest in OSX and eventually drops it to concentrate all efforts into iOS, iGadgets and iFashion as well as providing convenient mediocre quality iContent for the masses. Because that's where the big money lies.
- Microsoft leaves the consumer market and dominates the dwindling desktop and high-end computing niche. By then Windows will be only OS number three behind iOS and Android.

Well, at least we know Steve Jobs IS reading and posting in these forums. Cute ID, by the way, arch sense of humor.

Steve-o (and everyone else who agrees with him), it ain't going to work out exactly as you planned. You will NOT be able to keep ahead of Chinese competition when you have FULLY downgraded Apple Computers to a cheap fad iCrap toymaker. When people have chunked enough early models of various iCrap into the trash after a few years (as opposed to hanging to to desktops for decades) you will discover what Wham-o and Popeil learned when you were working out of a garage: The more people pay for something, the more valuable it is to them and to the public at large. You will not be the first company that a wild goose chase after the quick and easy cheap buck killed, and you won't be the last. The road only runs one way. A quality company can devolve into a crapmaker, and eventually and inevitably die from the trip, but once a quality company goes that route they can never go back. Six HUGE US organ companies went bust chasing Casio, and the only ones that survive today have five figure products as their ENTRY LEVEL. True, they didn't outsource the way YOU do, but count on that ending, and soon. Quality, not quantity still rules, and always will, IN THE LONG RUN.

And your grasping iMedia dreams of an internet infrastructure that will be able to deliver Blu-ray quality downloads, and the dependence on the habits of pirates and thieves as opposed to ethical good people who actually collect movies and music, will be crushed by the reality of the GreatEST Depression which most people realize we're moving into.

But no one can tell you anything, Steve-O, because you know all, just like your little clones and shills on here.

Amiga kicked Apple's ass from day one until the last gasp years and it's long gone. Apple OS kicked Microsoft's ass from day one and it's almost gone.

The pity is you won't accept it until your own April 30th 1945 day in your Cupertino bunker. But such is the fate of all leaders who refuse to listen to their most vociferous critics and consumers.

:apple:
 
An alternate explanation for the multi-pack deliver is that DVD was so popular that there are a bazillion DVD drives still around, so studios can't ignore them, Blu-ray is the emerging high-end format, so studios can't ignore it, and some ubergeeks want a portable digital copy...

Sure, there's opportunities to sell products here. However, when a DVD sells for $X and the BD sells for $Y, consumers are tempted by any deals that are less than ($X + $Y).

Continuing with the prior example (Amazon/Alice in Wonderland; rounded up by one penny), DVD=$13.50 and BD=$26 yields an (X+Y) of $39.50 before any "deal" discounting.

For example, consider a price point of ($X/2 + $Y) = $32.75. The BD centric customer sees it as a $6.75 markup to get a spare DVD +DC copy for his 'lesser' applications, and the DVD centric customer knows that he was in for at least $13.50 to begin with, so his 'futureproofing' consideration is that he gets the BD for $19 instead of $26 (a 25% discount), plus whatever he thinks that the DC copy is worth to him.

Yet the Combo goes for only $27, which is a mere one dollar more than the bare BD.

... and since the DVD and portable copy cost them a negligible amount over the production costs of the packaging and creation of the Blu-ray disc they throw them in to cover all the bases. It would cost them a heck of a lot more to package Blu-ray and DVD separately - outside of content licensing, packaging is probably 90% of the cost of hard media distribution. DVDs are probably under a penny a piece for them. Why not drop one in every Blu-ray box? In fact, I bet this is great for them because they can nail folks that don't own Blu-ray players for a higher price than they could charge for the DVD alone by talking up the value-add of the Blu-ray disc inside.

Yes, there's an upsell potential, but upselling so as to realize a lower profit percentages isn't particularly conventional wisdom.

Thus, my point is that ...regardless of what other manufacturing economies they may have in lower packaging & distribution costs... there must be a very good reason why the Studios are cutting consumers a break, since this effectively is leaving money (profits) behind on the table.


You're completely missing the point behind these Blu-Ray combo packs. It's got nothing to do with hedging bets against the format. Quite the opposite.

They still offer the films on DVD-only packages (so much for your strawman)...

Sure, DVDs still exist, but they've have seen their retail prices effectively depressed some by the advent of BD: the Studios tried, but weren't really able to raise the market's price acceptance for a BD disk, so where we are today is that BDs are selling for roughly where DVDs used to, and DVDs get squeezed in below them, with a price separation.

Further, the triple combo pack only occurs with child films and big budget blockbusters like Iron Man 2. You don't see it with Seven Samauri or Dr. Zhivago.

My observation is that the combo packs are occurring with modern films, where the expenses of producing the different resolutions were all already planned & budgeted; its merely a modification to the already-paid-for end product's distribution packaging. Classics would have to go back into the studio for re-sampling to create the new & higher resolution BD format, so there is no existing product to repackage.

The digital copy is a parallel effort to prevent people from ripping by giving them a legal portable version of the movie.

Its an interesting attempt to perhaps avoid falling into the Apple iTunes ecosystem. Or it may actually facilitate it.

Really, by offering all three discs it shows the movie studios understand the point of Blu-Ray (the best possible presentation) while acknowledging that, at least with certain kinds of movies, the kiddies are going to need a DVD and they spare the Blu-Ray buyer from buying multiple copies of the same movie or pirating the Blu-Ray.

Additionally, it encourages people who don't have Blu-Ray players yet to buy the Blu-Ray version because they can watch the DVD until they have a Blu-Ray player.

All true, but it doesn't explain the price points that the Studios have chosen; as I've said before, buying the Combo is only a buck more than just the bare BD disk alone. As such, there's an element in their business model that we here aren't generally seeing (accounting for).

Yes, there is the remote possibility that the Studios have somehow changed to become altruistic and are thus willing to turn away easy profits.

YMMV, but I don't buy that...


-hh
 
Sure, there's opportunities to sell products here. However, when a DVD sells for $X and the BD sells for $Y, consumers are tempted by any deals that are less than ($X + $Y).

Continuing with the prior example (Amazon/Alice in Wonderland; rounded up by one penny), DVD=$13.50 and BD=$26 yields an (X+Y) of $39.50 before any "deal" discounting.

For example, consider a price point of ($X/2 + $Y) = $32.75. The BD centric customer sees it as a $6.75 markup to get a spare DVD +DC copy for his 'lesser' applications, and the DVD centric customer knows that he was in for at least $13.50 to begin with, so his 'futureproofing' consideration is that he gets the BD for $19 instead of $26 (a 25% discount), plus whatever he thinks that the DC copy is worth to him.

Yet the Combo goes for only $27, which is a mere one dollar more than the bare BD.



Yes, there's an upsell potential, but upselling so as to realize a lower profit percentages isn't particularly conventional wisdom.

Thus, my point is that ...regardless of what other manufacturing economies they may have in lower packaging & distribution costs... there must be a very good reason why the Studios are cutting consumers a break, since this effectively is leaving money (profits) behind on the table.




Sure, DVDs still exist, but they've have seen their retail prices effectively depressed some by the advent of BD: the Studios tried, but weren't really able to raise the market's price acceptance for a BD disk, so where we are today is that BDs are selling for roughly where DVDs used to, and DVDs get squeezed in below them, with a price separation.



My observation is that the combo packs are occurring with modern films, where the expenses of producing the different resolutions were all already planned & budgeted; its merely a modification to the already-paid-for end product's distribution packaging. Classics would have to go back into the studio for re-sampling to create the new & higher resolution BD format, so there is no existing product to repackage.



Its an interesting attempt to perhaps avoid falling into the Apple iTunes ecosystem. Or it may actually facilitate it.



All true, but it doesn't explain the price points that the Studios have chosen; as I've said before, buying the Combo is only a buck more than just the bare BD disk alone. As such, there's an element in their business model that we here aren't generally seeing (accounting for).

Yes, there is the remote possibility that the Studios have somehow changed to become altruistic and are thus willing to turn away easy profits.

YMMV, but I don't buy that...


-hh

They're not turning away any profits, they're making much more than they would have because the DVD costs them nearly nothing to press, but the packaging and shipping and distribution of it costs them relatively a lot. So dump 'em all in one box, for almost zero incremental cost, and catch the folks in the declining DVD market who don't have Blu-ray for $26 instead of $13. It's an awesome move for them.

G.
 
Oh, the merits... oh..

Everybody seems to be talking about the merits of this and that and the future of Blu-ray. My thing is, why not let the consumer decide? Just allow the damn technology to work and let the customer decide if they want to pursue it or some other kind of technology. None of this b.s. stuff about how it doesn't have a future, let the consumer decide that.
 
Everybody seems to be talking about the merits of this and that and the future of Blu-ray. My thing is, why not let the consumer decide? Just allow the damn technology to work and let the customer decide if they want to pursue it or some other kind of technology. None of this b.s. stuff about how it doesn't have a future, let the consumer decide that.

i agree with that statement there :) just bring all the technologies out and let them battle it out! :D
 
LOL! Competition? Not with iOS around. Plus combined with superior aesthetics from Apple - everything else is ugly and buggy.

Allow me to show you reality - read article below.

LG Shelves Android 2.2 Tablet Plans: OS to Blame?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/206942/lg_shelves_android_22_tablet_plans_os_to_blame.html?tk=hp_new

Could you please show me some facts to back up your assertion that the iPad is "a mere year or two away from being killed by the competition?" Oh wait, there is none. :D


LOL! I love hearing this type of stuff. Android, whatever. All these me-toos trying to pretend they are inventing something new and amazing. Watching a commercial the other day for some new "droid" monstrosity and it was highlighting all the stuff Apple put in the first iPhone as if they were just the most incredible new features.

I know two types of Droid owners (and I know a lot of 'em):

1. Got the thing and regretted it almost immediately and either switched to iPhone right away or is waiting with gritted teeth until their contract hits a milestone (or until iPhone is available on their carrier) and they can switch cheaply, or
2. Tech geek who runs around all day barking about "open source" and would crow about his beloved Droid even if it caught on fire and burned off his hand.

My handheld is a tool, not a religious icon. There currently isn't anything close to the utility of the iPhone, which is partly the amazing hardware and mostly the amazing software. Same goes for all these "pads" that are coming out - not even close to the iPad. My iPad is flipping amazing and I'm finding new uses for it every week.

Apple has an enormous head-start on this stuff. The only thing that will sink 'em is Jobs croaking and the company getting taken over by some idiot salesguy like Ballmer.

G.
 
LOL! I love hearing this type of stuff. Android, whatever. All these me-toos trying to pretend they are inventing something new and amazing. Watching a commercial the other day for some new "droid" monstrosity and it was highlighting all the stuff Apple put in the first iPhone as if they were just the most incredible new features.

I know two types of Droid owners (and I know a lot of 'em):

1. Got the thing and regretted it almost immediately and either switched to iPhone right away or is waiting with gritted teeth until their contract hits a milestone (or until iPhone is available on their carrier) and they can switch cheaply, or
2. Tech geek who runs around all day barking about "open source" and would crow about his beloved Droid even if it caught on fire and burned off his hand.

Right on the money! My college buddy debates every week whether to pay the Sprint contract termination fee for his crappy android.

Apple has an enormous head-start on this stuff. The only thing that will sink 'em is Jobs croaking and the company getting taken over by some idiot salesguy like Ballmer.

LOL ! I had a good laugh witnessing classic "Fester" on Bloomberg last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_7YdunMglQ
 
Everybody seems to be talking about the merits of this and that and the future of Blu-ray. My thing is, why not let the consumer decide? Just allow the damn technology to work and let the customer decide if they want to pursue it or some other kind of technology. None of this b.s. stuff about how it doesn't have a future, let the consumer decide that.

i agree with that statement there :) just bring all the technologies out and let them battle it out! :D

Mr. Jobs obviously doesn't agree, and hasn't since his disease took part of his mind. Now he's busy attempting to mold the world to his own solely personal proclivities.

Not going so well, but like the economy, the future will be far far worse.

:apple:
 
i would hardly call the future of our Macs a dead horse :p


Nor is it a particularly lively horse either, since the realities of history illustrate that there have been attempts made to converge TV and the PC for quite awhile now.

Looking just at Apple's retail offerings, LEM quickly reveals the Macintosh TV, from October 1993.

Yep, 17 years ago.

Sure, we can try to excuse this effort by saying that it was before its time, such as because media delivery required more computational horsepower ... but it ran on a 68030 CPU at a whopping 32MHz, so its easy to see that that technology impediment excuse was OBE'ed a decade ago.

So what's been the other hold-ups by which today there's supposedly "No Excuse" possibly remaining?

Even if we want to say that its just Steve Job's big ego, all that means is that Apple Inc. isn't willing to go that route. This still doesn't stop 3rd Party aftermarket offerings, such as Axiotron's Modbook. Since some adherents here have even stated that they're willing to paying extra for BD, then why hasn't some innovative businessman responded to that consumer demand by bringing that product variant to market?



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