Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[charlituna]

For Apple fanboys it's nice to be dependent on itunes and apple.

I've been using Apple for years, hell my job is in the industry and our office is all Mac and Final Cut Studio.

But I am NOT dependent on itunes at all. Never have been.

What I am is apparently better aware of the hot mess that was Blu-ray licensing at the time that Jobs made his infamous comment. So I get why Apple went the way they did.

And it is worth noting that Sony, one of THE companies that led the march to for Blu-ray to win over HDDVD, is supporting Apple's digital focus by putting several of their exclusive BDLive features into the iTunes versions of their new movies.

 

[linux2mac]

Cool. I think I'll just subscribe to Verizon FiOS and go ahead and make a Netflix account. The convenience of it sure trumps Blu-Ray.

Interesting. So what are your streaming options then in your region?

 

[abarone]

It would make sense for OSX to support Bluray, even if its only for backup purposes.

 

[435713]

Couldn't Apple's board just say F it eventually and start strong arming Jobs? I mean one guy saying (if its truly only him) how everything should go and what goes and what doesn't for all products is the wrong way for any company to be run.

 

[Mal]

Couldn't Apple's board just say F it eventually and start strong arming Jobs? I mean one guy saying (if its truly only him) how everything should go and what goes and what doesn't for all products is the wrong way for any company to be run.

Why would they want to do that? It's because of Jobs that Apple is in the position they are in today (granted, not completely on his own, but definitely most of the credit goes to his vision). Last time they kicked Jobs to the curb, the company almost went bankrupt.

And why is that the wrong way for a company to be run? Plenty of companies are run by only one person, and they do just fine. If anything it's the "design by committee" model that's broken.

jW

 

[435713]

Why would they want to do that? It's because of Jobs that Apple is in the position they are in today (granted, not completely on his own, but definitely most of the credit goes to his vision). Last time they kicked Jobs to the curb, the company almost went bankrupt.

And why is that the wrong way for a company to be run? Plenty of companies are run by only one person, and they do just fine. If anything it's the "design by committee" model that's broken.

jW

If he keeps his current course with some of these moves they may lose and already have been losing some of their customers from lack of evolving their PC's. Not saying fire him, I am saying they could strongly suggest him to stop being a bi***. One board member was apparently pretty pissed about the Xserve thing.

Most of the credit for me goes to the designers of the OS, and the hardware. Jobs vision is limited ports and thinness. I'll give him the battery life one and generally using high end stuff across the board. He is a good salesman.

One guy should NOT nor EVER have as much say as it seems he does. A CEO can have quite a bit, but when they start acting like he does then its time for a bit of bit** slapping IMO. There are plenty of others that could take the brand name Apple has and do just as well if not even better. Jobs gets too much credit. I'd rather Woz ran the ship.

EDIT: I honestly am running through successful big corps in my head and can not think of one that is run like the Nazi regime.

 

[0815]

Couldn't Apple's board just say F it eventually and start strong arming Jobs? I mean one guy saying (if its truly only him) how everything should go and what goes and what doesn't for all products is the wrong way for any company to be run.

Guess this 'one man rule' payed off pretty well for everyone at apple and apple stockholders .... You really think a company with $300 Billion in Market Capitalization is run the wrong way ???

 

[0815]

... may lose and already have been losing some of their customers from lack ...

Guess you need some reality check - just check the actual sales numbers and forecast numbers for macintosh computers - they never sold more computers than right now. Count all the other stuff in they are doing (very successful) - they are about to announce another record breaking quarter.

Glad you are not running Apple and hope you are not running any other company.

 

[435713]

Guess this 'one man rule' payed off pretty well for everyone at apple and apple stockholders .... You really think a company with $300 Billion in Market Capitalization is run the wrong way ???

Jesus man seriously? Of course there is the standard "Glad your not running Apple" BS quote.

Threads about something way different than $$$. We'll see where they end up in time if they keep gimping out as hard as they do.

Also whats up wit the smiley face next to stockholders? Customers 1st those people follow where the money goes so I wouldn't even think about them. Some people really wanna give holders some road dome I guess. That means head FYI.

 

[Mal]

If he keeps his current course with some of these moves they may lose and already have been losing some of their customers from lack of evolving their PC's. Not saying fire him, I am saying they could strongly suggest him to stop being a bi***. One board member was apparently pretty pissed about the Xserve thing.

Most of the credit for me goes to the designers of the OS, and the hardware. Jobs vision is limited ports and thinness. I'll give him the battery life one and generally using high end stuff across the board. He is a good salesman.

One guy should NOT nor EVER have as much say as it seems he does. A CEO can have quite a bit, but when they start acting like he does then its time for a bit of bit** slapping IMO. There are plenty of others that could take the brand name Apple has and do just as well if not even better. Jobs gets too much credit. I'd rather Woz ran the ship.

EDIT: I honestly am running through successful big corps in my head and can not think of one that is run like the Nazi regime.

Seriously? You're really quite dense, aren't you. Please stop with the language too, even though it's getting edited out. There's no need for it. Whether you like it or not, Jobs does deserve the credit for putting Apple in the position it's in now (read: best they've ever done, and continuing to do better). Sure, there's occasional slip ups, like the Xserve possibly (though it's too early to say for sure if that was a mistake or a wise decision), but trust me, you better be glad Woz doesn't run the ship. Apple wouldn't exist if Woz had to do all that himself, and he'd probably tell you that himself if you asked him. He was the tech guy, not the business guy. Brilliant man, but you don't want him in charge of the company.

jW

 

[435713]

Seriously? You're really quite dense, aren't you. Please stop with the language too, even though it's getting edited out.

jW

Give an insult then ask to stop with edited language... odd.

I agree somewhat on his success. No one is perfect thats for certain. Still IMHO they could be more cutting edge, and along with that make just as much. I'll leave it at that.

 

[iEdd]

Interesting. So what are your streaming options then in your region?

lol, SFA. Not that I could get fast enough internet to stream basic 720p if I wanted to... [Edit: I live in a metro city too, not in the bush.]

You also need to realise that when you're not from the US, the fastest way to get their TV shows or movies is either to order the DVD/BD or use your imagination to download it elsewhere illegally. Problem is, my PS3 is not the same BD region as the US. That's one of the reasons I'd love to see BD on Mac + region free playing, with eg., VLC.

 

[Porco]

lol, SFA. Not that I could get fast enough internet to stream basic 720p if I wanted to... [Edit: I live in a metro city too, not in the bush.]

You also need to realise that when you're not from the US, the fastest way to get their TV shows or movies is either to order the DVD/BD or use your imagination to download it elsewhere illegally. Problem is, my PS3 is not the same BD region as the US. That's one of the reasons I'd love to see BD on Mac + region free playing, with eg., VLC.

Though to be fair there are lots of region free Blu-ray discs, it's by no means as bad as it was for DVDs when it comes to region-locked titles. And at least there are only 3 regions this time.

On the subject of regions though, it's another strike against iTunes, which is pretty much like having a region for every nation in which iTunes operates (unless you use work arounds to get shady foreign accounts). The eventual prospect of only being able to buy movies and TV shows from online, nationally-restricted movie stores is a pretty unsavoury one for fans of non-standard hollywood stuff. Not that I'm saying that is Apple fault by the way, it's just that global distribution rights really are a bag of hurt.

 

[charlituna]

Couldn't Apple's board just say F it eventually and start strong arming Jobs?

They probably could. But given that Apple is the number one tech company and number two company overall for market value, makes millions etc every week and so on. why would they

yes Jobs figures that enough folks really don't care about blu-ray in their computers to make it worth the issue. And given how many Macs they have sold (and rising) it seems he was right. Same with the millions of ipads and million (give or take) Apple TVs. The same number of folks like the ones here proclaiming Apple is Crap because of no blu-ray is vastly outnumbered by those sales. so who is Jobs going to listen to.

and the Board is all about making money so what will they care if a minority is talking smack and not buying against the majority that is.

 

[macandipodfan]

Steve can whine and moan about the DRM of Blu-ray, but iTunes HD downloads are no better. I'm not talking about the quality (although it does suck IMO); I'm talking about the DRM restrictions on it.
Blu-ray sales have been better than ever this year, so Apple would be wise to incorporate it into Macs.

 

[azurehi]

Seriously? You're really quite dense, aren't you. Please stop with the language too, even though it's getting edited out. There's no need for it. Whether you like it or not, Jobs does deserve the credit for putting Apple in the position it's in now (read: best they've ever done, and continuing to do better). Sure, there's occasional slip ups, like the Xserve possibly (though it's too early to say for sure if that was a mistake or a wise decision), but trust me, you better be glad Woz doesn't run the ship. Apple wouldn't exist if Woz had to do all that himself, and he'd probably tell you that himself if you asked him. He was the tech guy, not the business guy. Brilliant man, but you don't want him in charge of the company.

jW

Why?

 

[Mal]

Why?

I assume you're referring to the part about Woz? Because he doesn't know how to run a business. Just listen to him talk sometimes. He wouldn't be insulted by my saying this, I'd bet, because I'd assume he'd say the same if asked. When they started Apple, Woz was the guy who was behind making all the products, and Jobs was the one with the business vision (granted, some product vision too, such as making computers more like an appliance and not a hobbyist toy). Believe me, I love Woz, I think he's an awesome guy and a brilliant one, but when VivaLaDricas suggested that Woz would do better, I find that laughable.

jW

 

[lPHONE]

you gotta admit guys, blu-ray kinda sucks. It takes hours to burn 25-50GB and for what? Optical discs aren't reliable. Flash media is where it's at. Forget discs.

Also, I agree with what people are saying about Steve: He's a jerk and a great salesman, but we need him in this fight. Once Windows is extinct, then we can trade him in for Pocahontas or whatever...

 

[azurehi]

I assume you're referring to the part about Woz? Because he doesn't know how to run a business. Just listen to him talk sometimes. He wouldn't be insulted by my saying this, I'd bet, because I'd assume he'd say the same if asked. When they started Apple, Woz was the guy who was behind making all the products, and Jobs was the one with the business vision (granted, some product vision too, such as making computers more like an appliance and not a hobbyist toy). Believe me, I love Woz, I think he's an awesome guy and a brilliant one, but when VivaLaDricas suggested that Woz would do better, I find that laughable.

jW

Thanks. Money Talks for many. SJ has the success to pursue his "vision" and (mostly) please his customers. Not that there is anything wrong with that...

 

[435713]

Believe me, I love Woz, I think he's an awesome guy and a brilliant one, but when VivaLaDricas suggested that Woz would do better, I find that laughable.

jW

I believe he is happy doing what he does currently. I do think he would do a fine job, he is a good man and could have someone else do the business thing while he handle the tech decisions. Won't happen though. I find it laughable Jobs try's to make tech decisions. He knows how to sell well, never written code in his life but I am sure he thinks he knows better than most. He is fascist its that simple. Greatest salesman ever though IMO.

His stats currently prove he is winning, so I can't argue a winning team. We'll see how he does in the next decade. Its a marathon not a sprint.

Glad I made you laugh though. Good to spread cheer.

 

[linux2mac]

lol, SFA. Not that I could get fast enough internet to stream basic 720p if I wanted to... [Edit: I live in a metro city too, not in the bush.]

You also need to realise that when you're not from the US, the fastest way to get their TV shows or movies is either to order the DVD/BD or use your imagination to download it elsewhere illegally. Problem is, my PS3 is not the same BD region as the US. That's one of the reasons I'd love to see BD on Mac + region free playing, with eg., VLC.

Sorry to hear that. I would not like that either.

you gotta admit guys, blu-ray kinda sucks. It takes hours to burn 25-50GB and for what? Optical discs aren't reliable. Flash media is where it's at. Forget discs.

Also, I agree with what people are saying about Steve: He's a jerk and a great salesman, but we need him in this fight. Once Windows is extinct, then we can trade him in for Pocahontas or whatever...

I already made crappy Windows extinct in my office. I will have to say that Windows was the "bag of hurt" for me instead of BD

 

[AidenShaw]

Flash media is where it's at. Forget discs.

There's one little problem though....

 

[lPHONE]

Thanks. Money Talks for many. SJ has the success to pursue his "vision" and (mostly) please his customers. Not that there is anything wrong with that...

There's a lot wrong with that when you're not in the (mostly) category.

Look, I'm not going to say "Blu-Ray sucks." You know it, I now it, I refuse to say it, but there's crazy people out there that BELIEVE in their heart that it doesn't suck. They play on their Playstations and their PC's and their used to this crap and when they come over to Mac Land and it's not here, they feel neglected and say "I'MA FIRIN MAH LAZER!"

Now, the boys at Apple do this stuff for a living. They probably now what's going to happen in the future. Hell, they probably have something real good in store for us that will render blu-ray useless. Sure, it will probably be way overpriced and spoon fed to us in small increments. (20GB IPOD! OMG, 30!) , that's grounds to be upset with Apple's corporate machine.

There's one little problem though....

Yes, I agree. Price is the issue at hand and we should be mad at Apple for trying to fix prices in Flash. However, as we adopt the new 4k sector format, prices per GB are starting to drop. Still, Apple is going to juice the market while fading out blu-ray in the next year. Edit: You can get 64GB SD cards from buy.com for $169. Prices are already going down.

 

[435713]

There's a lot wrong with that when you're not in the (mostly) category.

Look, I'm not going to say "Blu-Ray sucks." You know it, I now it, I refuse to say it, but there's crazy people out there that BELIEVE in their heart that it doesn't suck. They play on their Playstations and their PC's and their used to this crap and when they come over to Mac Land and it's not here, they feel neglected and say "I'MA FIRIN MAH LAZER!"

Now, the boys at Apple do this stuff for a living. They probably now what's going to happen in the future. Hell, they probably have something real good in store for us that will render blu-ray useless. Sure, it will probably be way overpriced and spoon fed to us in small increments. (20GB IPOD! OMG, 30!) , that's grounds to be upset with Apple's corporate machine.

Yes, I agree. Price is the issue at hand and we should be mad at Apple for trying to fix prices in Flash. However, as we adopt the new 4k sector format, prices per GB are starting to drop. Still, Apple is going to juice the market while fading out blu-ray in the next year. Edit: You can get 64GB SD cards from buy.com for $169. Prices are already going down.

All signs do not point to blu ray fading out anytime soon. Nor DVD's, nor CD's. What we have now is a segmented market. Some will go DD, some will go physical media still, some will stream etc... Music CD's still sell pretty damn well and are not going anywhere.

I will say that Windows does NOT natively support blu ray either, it’s done via 3rd party and from what I have read it is hit or miss at times. So some of leaving it out currently from the OSX side makes sense if they can't get it work correctly. I read somewhere on a speculation article that they were trying to put blu ray in iMacs last year, but it wasn't working right so they left it out. Speculation but still may be true.

Maybe that's why jobs panties are in a bunch about it. I bet he owns a blu ray player though. Probably got a hell of a setup at his crib and hookers as well. Man might be a pimp, I would have + respect if so.

 

[albusseverus]

I totally agree with Jobs that the BDA has lost the plot, obsessed with constantly changing copy protection schemes and screwing-over their paying customers with discs that won't play because the player manufacturers are months behind (if not plain reactive) with their firmware updates.

What I'm disappointed in, though… is not seeing Mr Jobs using his CONSIDERABLE influence to fix the situation.

We'd be amazed how quickly 'the situation' might be improved if Apple bought in to supporting Blu-ray on Mac. Inaction on Jobs part appears cynical and self serving at this point in Blu-ray acceptance by the public.

Blu-ray is great. I like discs. I'd never have enough hard drive space to contain my disc collection. I've bought nothing but Blu-ray since 2007 and I'm happy with it as a 2k video format.

All this nonsense about "downloads" is diverting Blu-ray from going the next step to 4k video for the home, which really is needed with 60" televisions becoming commonplace.

Downloads are a different market - the mp3 of video, and certainly not for watching on a decent screen. Now if only movies were 99¢ on iTunes (about what they're worth with all that compression), people might be willing to buy them.

And don't tell me you're seriously going to wait for a 25GB Blu-ray quality movie to download on the internet… surely you have better uses for your bits.