i've been thinking of dumping my 10mbps cable internet and going with 1.5mbps clear wire. streaming is a big rip off since netflix is always losing access to content my son likes. and a lot of content isn't available. might as well just buy the DVD's
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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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i've been thinking of dumping my 10mbps cable internet and going with 1.5mbps clear wire. streaming is a big rip off since netflix is always losing access to content my son likes. and a lot of content isn't available. might as well just buy the DVD's
"Reality check" ?
"BD haters"?
I have no idea what point you're trying to make there, but I'm glad it seemed to amuse you!
So. I missed the boat by a few months. Days away from dancing on Job's grave though, no joy in that unless it saves Apple.
And talk to me at the end of this year if they haven't implemented Blu-ray.
That's my problem. Being a BIT ahead of the curve. But not to the ludicrous and impossible extents Steve Jobs and mac fanbois go to to justify no longer making cutting edge Macs.
The reason they didn't sell as many desktops is because they haven't been cutting edge for three years now. Plus how many of those toy sales were repeats of product that broke.
BUBBLES. POP.
Since you are "a BIT ahead of the curve," perhaps you could offer your insights to the likes of Francis Ford Coppola, the Coen brothers, and many more Hollywood professionals who have had success crafting Hollywood feature films on Macs that lack BD.
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/in-action/
Hmmm, do I trust the word of the few that claim they can't get any serious video work accomplished because Macs lack BD or the word from those that have had their projects displayed on the silver screen? I think I'll go with the Hollywood big names on this one.
Traditional Ipods are "withering on the vine" because the use for them is ending, with phones and itouches taking the majority of those responsibilities.
Maybe apple should think about getting into the smartphone business to preemptively act on that trend, what do you think?
Oh, wait, that's right. They did exactly that.
4 years ago.
Its not a strawman argument to those arguing the death of the mac due to refusal to support BD.
First of all most Hollywood films are edited with Avid. Second do those film makers go straight from a final cut edit to a final feature with a full sound mix or are other programs used? Third comparing what a Hollywood director with a multimillion dollar budget can do with your average prosumer or business person is beyond idiotic.
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/in-action/
Hmmm, do I trust the word of the few that claim they can't get any serious video work accomplished because Macs lack BD or the word from those that have had their projects displayed on the silver screen? I think I'll go with the Hollywood big names on this one.
Maybe do you think for a moment that FFC (ignoring the fact he has not made a good film in 20 years) has slightly more tools at his disposal than your average filmmaker? Do you think he goes straight from a final cut edit to the big screen with nothing inbetween?
Simple... no one here hates BD.
Many users simply recline in luxury in their living rooms and watch it on a 40" or 50" screen. The term 'BD haters' is the ultimate strawman, invented to perpetuate this thread —with which those who use such terms apparently amuse themselves.
That's what amuses me.
Simple... no one here hates BD.
Many users simply recline in luxury in their living rooms and watch it on a 40" or 50" screen. The term 'BD haters' is the ultimate strawman, invented to perpetuate this thread with which those who use such terms apparently amuse themselves.
That's what amuses me.
or a 92" screen in my setup.
Plus I can't wait to watch my Star Wars BD collection (my first ever BD purchase) when it arrives in September. And I won't be lamenting the fact I can't enjoy them on my dinky 13" MBP or 27" iMac.
O'rly?
So why are there so many arguments against making it an *option* for people who buy Apples?
So why are there so many arguments against making it an *option* for people who buy Apples?
I don't know that that is really what is going on in this thread.
Big difference between people not wanting BD as an option and people contesting wild claims of the death of apple due to it.
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Look at the "optical is dead" and "Blu-ray is a FAIL" posts by searching this thread
....There have been a number of people saying that since "downloads will take over", that "optical is dead" and no systems should have optical.
I do believe that "downloads will take over" eventually - but I'm not sure that I will live long enough for that to be true. In the meantime, optical is not dead, and Apple looks silly for not providing the *option* of hi-def optical.
Look at the "optical is dead" and "Blu-ray is a FAIL" posts by searching this thread
Fair enough, will do.
OK, but that's not what I was saying. I was saying (I thought fairly clearly...) that using the argument that Apple has sold an increasingly large number of Macs without Blu-ray is not a very strong argument against Blu-ray.
It's never been my argument that the mac is going to die if it doesn't get a Blu-ray movie playback option. Just a few fewer sales than it might have done, and a few more irritated existing customers than it might have had, all for very little in return as far as I can see.
Simple... no one here hates BD.
Many users simply recline in luxury in their living rooms and watch it on a 40" or 50" screen. The term 'BD haters' is the ultimate strawman, invented to perpetuate this thread —with which those who use such terms apparently amuse themselves.
That's what amuses me.
Err ... ok. I was just using 'BD hater' as shorthand for 'people expressing a preference for Apple not adding support for Blu-ray discs, even on an optional basis and thereby attempting to damage its success as a format'. If you don't hate Blu-ray maybe I wasn't referring to you? And I don't think it's unreasonable to say there are people who hate all optical media out there including BD, and more than one or two forum posts expressing that view.
Of course posting anything other than a desire for the thread to end is arguably designed to perpetuate the thread, but I don't think it makes the phrase 'BD hater' a strawman, much less the 'ultimate' one.
Those beats sure are fresh!
[like a broken record... yawn]
Who are you now, Vanilla Ice?
Since you are "a BIT ahead of the curve," perhaps you could offer your insights to the likes of Francis Ford Coppola, the Coen brothers, and many more Hollywood professionals who have had success crafting Hollywood feature films on Macs that lack BD.
http://www.apple.com/finalcutstudio/in-action/
Hmmm, do I trust the word of the few that claim they can't get any serious video work accomplished because Macs lack BD or the word from those that have had their projects displayed on the silver screen? I think I'll go with the Hollywood big names on this one.
And just ask THEM what hoops THEY jump through when they want to to a limited mass distribution of their work before the Blu-rays are burned. And whether or not they'd like to be able to play, burn, and PROOF Blu-ray discs on the Mac side.
I'm willing to bet at least a couple of them has already been complaining about Jobs' anti-fetish against Blu-ray IN THE REAL WORLD, under pseudonym if necessary.
I'm guessing Francis Ford Coppola isn't the one pressing the buttons on the mac, he has an editor to do that for him (actually considering the budget, the editor probably has an assistant to do the button pushing for him).
So if there was going to be any grumbling about the bluray, it would be the assistant doing it.
Can you honestly imagine Coppola putting a bluray in the mac and then trying to burn it, I can't. Now, can you imagine Coppola saying "that's perfect, now burn me a bluray" then leaving before the assistant has a chance to say why he can't do that? I find the second one more likely.
Another thing to remember, Coppola would have "grown up" in the days of steenbecks and physically cutting the film, compared to that editing on a mac is like a dream.
So if there was going to be any grumbling about the bluray, it would be the assistant doing it.
Can you honestly imagine Coppola putting a bluray in the mac and then trying to burn it, I can't. Now, can you imagine Coppola saying "that's perfect, now burn me a bluray" then leaving before the assistant has a chance to say why he can't do that? I find the second one more likely.
Another thing to remember, Coppola would have "grown up" in the days of steenbecks and physically cutting the film, compared to that editing on a mac is like a dream.
I'm not sure what I find more perplexing, the fact that linux2mac apparently runs a business full of creatives, and has other colleagues that are creatives, but has such little creativity himself that he can't imagine others having needs and workflows that stray from his preconceived notions of how business is done or that Hal Itosis is really implying that all the hyperbole in this thread is coming from only one direction.
I stream almost everything that I watch (I was given a Blu-ray as a gift but I've never watched it), my current employer doesn't author Blu-ray's (although it would come in handy every now and then) yet I have no problem understanding that not everyone is like me. And I am okay with that. Just like I'm okay w/the quality of streaming video being inferior to Blu-ray. I'm not a video or audiophile so technical quality is not of paramount importance to me when it comes to leisurely viewing (I'd rather watch Casablanca on VHS than Transformers 2 on Blu-ray any day of the week and twice on Sunday). One technology is not inherently better than the other and I think the future will have them coexisting and serving different demographics for many years. I mean, hell, I've been hearing that MP3s were going to kill CDs since '99 yet going into 2011 CDs are still selling better. The success of one tech is not dependent on the failure of the other.
From a consumer standpoint options are awesome so it would be nice for Apple to fully support Blu-ray and have a Blu-ray burner as a BTO option. From a professional standpoint Apple's lack of Blu-ray integration is just another in a growing number of complaints over Apple's apparent 'shunning' of the pro market in recent years. From an editing-centeric perspective '11 is going to be an important year for Apple, IMO. If they release a killer update to the Final Cut Suite (or at least preview a killer update if it's not coming out until '12) I think they'll win back a lot of the fence sitters and editors that have recently added Avid and/or Premiere Pro to their arsenals. If '11 comes and goes w/no update, or another weak update, to the Final Cut Suite I predict a lot of editors heading to the greener pastures of the other two 'Big A's'.
Lethal
I stream almost everything that I watch (I was given a Blu-ray as a gift but I've never watched it), my current employer doesn't author Blu-ray's (although it would come in handy every now and then) yet I have no problem understanding that not everyone is like me. And I am okay with that. Just like I'm okay w/the quality of streaming video being inferior to Blu-ray. I'm not a video or audiophile so technical quality is not of paramount importance to me when it comes to leisurely viewing (I'd rather watch Casablanca on VHS than Transformers 2 on Blu-ray any day of the week and twice on Sunday). One technology is not inherently better than the other and I think the future will have them coexisting and serving different demographics for many years. I mean, hell, I've been hearing that MP3s were going to kill CDs since '99 yet going into 2011 CDs are still selling better. The success of one tech is not dependent on the failure of the other.
From a consumer standpoint options are awesome so it would be nice for Apple to fully support Blu-ray and have a Blu-ray burner as a BTO option. From a professional standpoint Apple's lack of Blu-ray integration is just another in a growing number of complaints over Apple's apparent 'shunning' of the pro market in recent years. From an editing-centeric perspective '11 is going to be an important year for Apple, IMO. If they release a killer update to the Final Cut Suite (or at least preview a killer update if it's not coming out until '12) I think they'll win back a lot of the fence sitters and editors that have recently added Avid and/or Premiere Pro to their arsenals. If '11 comes and goes w/no update, or another weak update, to the Final Cut Suite I predict a lot of editors heading to the greener pastures of the other two 'Big A's'.
Lethal
First they came for FireWire,
and I didn't speak out because I didn't want FireWire.
Then they came for matte screens,
and I didn't speak out because I don't use a matte screen.
Then they came for Blu-ray,
and I didn't speak out because I didn't want Blu-ray.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
and I didn't speak out because I didn't want FireWire.
Then they came for matte screens,
and I didn't speak out because I don't use a matte screen.
Then they came for Blu-ray,
and I didn't speak out because I didn't want Blu-ray.
Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Sorry, dude, pretty sure Godwin's Law was already invoked in this thread a while ago. We're going to just have to ignore this latest attempt to compare Apple to the Nazi Party.
jW
If you don't see it, then perhaps you need to read the original source for the quote. "They" in the original poem referred to the Nazi's. "me" referred to the writer, or all of the people who didn't speak up. Thus, you're directly comparing Apple to the Nazi party with that parody.
jW
I'm well aware of the original source. The poem was written to target those who could do something, but ignored it or didn't care. That was what I made the allusion too. Note I modified the poem (the Nazi's had no interest in taking away matte screens or FireWire).
If you want to read it as Apple = Nazi, then I suppose you can (if you believe that? I don't.), but that wasn't my intended meaning. I took it because I liked the wording, NOT the enemy in the source.
Here's a special version for you though:
"I wonder what happens when some of the anti-Blu-ray folk miss out on something they want, or need for business in a Mac."
If you want to read it as Apple = Nazi, then I suppose you can (if you believe that? I don't.), but that wasn't my intended meaning. I took it because I liked the wording, NOT the enemy in the source.
Here's a special version for you though:
"I wonder what happens when some of the anti-Blu-ray folk miss out on something they want, or need for business in a Mac."
No, it's still new news until Apple supports Blu-ray properly or Blu-ray becomes a dead format. Just like every other story that gets rumoured about until it's resolved, see iPhone, iPad, iPhone on Verizon, expected mac refreshes using chipset x y or z, the Beatles on iTunes etc.
If/when Apple supports Blu-ray, then that will be "new" news.
If/when Blu-ray becomes a dead format, then that will be "new" news.
If/when some rumor surfaces indicating such events may actually soon transpire, then that would be "new" "news".
Jobs' original "bag o' hurt" statement dates back to 2008 (iirc). Safe to say, that's relatively stale by now. [breaking news: Hoffa still missing, WMD not yet found, etc.]
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