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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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A.) Disc media is not dead and won't be very an extremely long long long (did I say long) time!

B.) Is anybody really surprised at this with the amount of money and advertising they're pumping into the mobile space and the App Store and Mac App Store.

C.) If you really need Blu Ray support then get a Mac Pro and add one yourself and be done with it!
 
linux2mac said:
No thanks. I am waiting for Thunderbolt equipped Mac Mini's. Daisy chained together they will run circles around your Mac Pro. And who said Apple doesn't care about creative pros and enterprise? ROFLMAO

http://www.cringely.com/2011/02/attack-of-the-minis/
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The last mini refresh took what, two years PLUS? To the point of everyone thinking IT was dead.

You have an equal chance of thunderbolt in a mac mini as I have of getting full Blu-ray implementation in Lion.

Actually, make that far less. You think a company that is so protective of its download store it cripples its high end computers will not similarly cripple the mini to protect its high end computers?

Good luck!

:apple:
 
marksman said:
Blue-ray is likely the last iteration of disc-media we will see for an extremely long period of time.
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Just like computers are likely the last iteration of computers?

We already have blu-ray version 2. It is called BDXL.
Can you give any reason why there wouldn't be v3 of bd?

BDXL is only a "speed bumb" mainly targeted for burning data and they will not kill a milking cow, since bd as content distribution is now in its biggest boost.
Just like ipad2 doesn't need retina display, since it is already selling like hot cakes.
After majority of dvd-players have been replaced by bd, they will introduce "the future of offline content distribution", which will probably be just another more advanced optical media. Something like 1TB, 1Gbit/s, 4k, 4:4:4, 10/12-bit colors, 3D, 96fps, (visually) lossless compression etc. Whole disk can be read/burned in 20 minutes with 1st gen drive.
There will be 10TB hdd's available at the same time and 2TB ssd's and maybe 5TB hybrids, but since you can stamp 1TB optical disk within one second and less than dollar, it will be cost effective distribution format for decades.
 
pr5owner said:
it will eventually dissappear and soon can be a relative term

but currently BD is selling like hot cakes
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Where "Hot Cakes" is defined as 17% of the sales of physical media (as of 5 Feb 11), which happens to include sales of all of those BD/DVD "Combo" packs.

Further, if we simplistically assume that roughly half of all BD sales are in BD/DVD Combo packs, what this is effectively saying is that the DVD market share is still over 90% Math: (1-(0.17/2) = .915)


Pretty much all that's left is to sort out what 10% of the value of the physical media market, versus the value of the video download market. This will give us a rough indication on consumer direction: if he is more willing to open his wallet for quality, or for convenience.



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-hh said:
Where "Hot Cakes" is defined as 17% of the sales of physical media (as of 5 Feb 11), which happens to include sales of all of those BD/DVD "Combo" packs.

Further, if we simplistically assume that roughly half of all BD sales are in BD/DVD Combo packs, what this is effectively saying is that the DVD market share is still over 90% Math: (1-(0.17/2) = .915)
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that math is pointless since those combo packs have not really caught on outside of the US ;)

around here it's way less than 10% for those triple/double play editions.. if they are available at all
also don't forget that a lot of older content and new tv-series aren't really available yet on blu ray despite being produced in HD (perhaps less of a problem in the US but here there are perhaps 10 tv shows available on blu ray here)

anecdotal evidence: currently on amazon.de there are 30 blu rays in the top 100 dvd+bluray category, and 8 in the top 20
because of that i would really like to see numbers on more new releases where both are released simultanously...
for example:
Inception had a 65% blu ray percentage from sales in january (_discs_ not revenue)
Iron Man 2 had 52% in the summer

i suspect we will similar numbers for the big blockbuster movies this year
 
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SAIRUS said:
What needs to happen is the internet needs to get to a point where it is faster and more practical than physical media output. With internet companies choosing profits over investments in their network, Steve Jobs will never see market dominance. FIX THE BOTTLENECKS!
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True.....but what would be easier, cheaper, faster, and better quality:

Fixing the all the internet bottlenecks around the country/world?

or

Giving customers the option of ordering their Mac with a Blu-ray drive?

I'm sure digital HD (and by HD I mean 1080p, not the sub-par 720p that Apple offers) content will be the standard one day. But not anytime soon. So why not give customers who care about video quality the option of Blu-ray?
 
AidenShaw said:
...and run Windows 7 on the Mac Pro so that you can really use the BD writer.
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All they would have to do is offer a paid Blu-Ray license for users that want it. We pay for and download the software (likely a quicktime component install like MPEG2), and provide the hardware and burning software ourselves.

It should be that simple.
 
xbjllb said:
The last mini refresh took what, two years PLUS? To the point of everyone thinking IT was dead.

You have an equal chance of thunderbolt in a mac mini as I have of getting full Blu-ray implementation in Lion.

Actually, make that far less. You think a company that is so protective of its download store it cripples its high end computers will not similarly cripple the mini to protect its high end computers?

Good luck!

:apple:
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I laugh at your feeble clairvoyance. Need I remind you of your failed January 2009 prediction where you never made it to the dance. Once again you will be wrong. Light peak equipped Minis will be here soon enough.
 
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linux2mac said:
I laugh at your feeble clairvoyance. Need I remind you of your failed January 2009 prediction where you never made it to the dance. Once again you will be wrong. Light peak equipped Minis will be here soon enough.
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We got a couple of those (not the ALX - so no "fins" on top) a while back at a huge discount. 6 core 980x overclocked to 3.73 Ghz, 12 GB ram, Blu-ray burner for about $2300.

It looks dopy, but it runs circles around Apple's 6 core offering. We can get three of those for significantly less than the cost of two of Apple's equivalent Mac Pros.

No complaints so far. They are fast as hell. Cinema 4d and the Maya 2012 beta absolutely SING on these things.

I can't stress enough how weird these things look, but that's OK. It's under my desk and I stare at my screen all day, not my tower.
 
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Thunderbolt crippled DisplayPort. It will definitely be featured in the Mac mini.
 
Alienware machines are superior to Mac Pros. :confused:
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It all depends on what you need to do. For us, the jump in viewport speed in Maya and C4d was immense when switching to the Windows 7. Cinema 4d saw a nearly 30% increase in viewport speed on the same video cards. The rendering speed bump is not huge versus the mac pro, but the price drop sure helps the medicine go down.

For our tasks, they are faster and cheaper (and we can upgrade more often at these prices). For someone else, they still may not be superior.
 
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PeterQVenkman said:
It all depends on what you need to do. For us, the jump in viewport speed in Maya and C4d was immense when switching to the Windows 7. Cinema 4d saw a nearly 30% increase in viewport speed on the same video cards. The rendering speed bump is not huge versus the mac pro, but the price drop sure helps the medicine go down.

For our tasks, they are faster and cheaper (and we can upgrade more often at these prices). For someone else, they still may not be superior.
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With what I do, the need to upgrade every year is not necessary. Its funny that people knock the C2D chip, but for my needs my systems are fast enough. I am running 3 VM's (2 are production, 1 is a development server) on my Mini Server with no trouble even with the overhead of the physical host. I can't wait to have a farm of Mini's with Thunderbolt.

Plus, I have long legs and its nice not kicking the side of a tower under my desk. :D
 
Yeah, I saw that before, thanks. Pretty cool, but I thought cube was implying the inclusion of Thunderbolt broke the use of DisplayPort?
 
linux2mac said:
Ask, and you shall receive.

http://www.cringely.com/2011/02/attack-of-the-minis/
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If you read some of the comments under the article, they say that daisy chaining mac minis through lightpeak wouldn't work as a super computer, because Grand Central is geared toward sending the data between cores of one system, not multiple systems.

If Apple did manage to do this, it would be a boon to research facilities. I wonder if they would pursue that.
 
PeterQVenkman said:
If you read some of the comments under the article, they say that daisy chaining mac minis through lightpeak wouldn't work as a super computer, because Grand Central is geared toward sending the data between cores of one system, not multiple systems.
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There's also the issue that Thunderbolt is a PCIe-to-PCIe bridge, and I don't think that much work has been done to allow multiple independent computers to share a PCIe bus. Who owns which devices?
 
PeterQVenkman said:
If you read some of the comments under the article, they say that daisy chaining mac minis through lightpeak wouldn't work as a super computer, because Grand Central is geared toward sending the data between cores of one system, not multiple systems.

If Apple did manage to do this, it would be a boon to research facilities. I wonder if they would pursue that.
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Theres something brewing in Cupertino for enterprise - Lightpeak (err Thunderbolt), Lion server (now free), Joint Venture, Mini Servers. It will be interesting to see what comes to fruition.
 
iEdd said:
Yeah, I saw that before, thanks. Pretty cool, but I thought cube was implying the inclusion of Thunderbolt broke the use of DisplayPort?
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The Radeon 6400M series supports connecting 4 displays using DisplayPort 1.2 (21.6 Gbps).

But the MBPs only support 2 (1 internal + 1 external).
 
linux2mac said:
No thanks. I am waiting for Thunderbolt equipped Mac Mini's. Daisy chained together they will run circles around your Mac Pro. And who said Apple doesn't care about creative pros and enterprise? ROFLMAO

http://www.cringely.com/2011/02/attack-of-the-minis/
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Please don't get too excited over nonsensical ramblings by a shrill journalist. I can remember all the high hopes for firewire that never came true. It was never used for anything other than disk interface and video, ThunderBolt will probably follow suit. Besides, Mac Minis are always going to be made with cheap laptop components and underpowered/obsolete processors/chipsets/memory, not exactly the best route to take for powerful multiprocessing.

-hh said:
Where "Hot Cakes" is defined as 17% of the sales of physical media (as of 5 Feb 11), which happens to include sales of all of those BD/DVD "Combo" packs.

Further, if we simplistically assume that roughly half of all BD sales are in BD/DVD Combo packs, what this is effectively saying is that the DVD market share is still over 90% Math: (1-(0.17/2) = .915)


Pretty much all that's left is to sort out what 10% of the value of the physical media market, versus the value of the video download market. This will give us a rough indication on consumer direction: if he is more willing to open his wallet for quality, or for convenience.



-hh
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Good lord. :rolleyes: I suggest you look at where DVD was 5 years into its lifespan, back in 2001. I've heard this argument before (at the time it was DVD vs VHS) and it's WRONG.

Take a look at market share and installed base, and you'll find you're doubly wrong, Blu-Ray is outgrowing DVD, which is (was) the most successful format introduction ever. Not too surprising, as Blu-Ray is simply a better DVD.

* If you want, thedigitalbits.com has the CEA sales figures for every year of DVD still online.
 
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