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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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But, unfortunately, six to twelve months from now fans will still be quoting this PC Mag article.
And fans will be crying "why hasn't Apple released Ivy Bridge - all the other vendors are selling them".
But, unfortunately, six to twelve months from now fans will still be quoting this PC Mag article.
And fans will be crying "why hasn't Apple released Ivy Bridge - all the other vendors are selling them".
That's what always made me feel somewhat good about buying a mac - if Apple didn't upgrade as fast as other PC manufacturers, I felt like I got more out of my investment because I still had the lastest model macintosh.
Then I started using some PC programs, and started paying attention to PC hardware. It's gotten crazy out there now with how fast everything moves.
While I love many things about Apple computers and the iPad, I cannot bring myself to spend the extra money when I can get more for less and be quite happy. I read the MR forums for information and opinion and also for laughs. Maybe, one fine day, I will leave the world of Linux on PC and enter the Walled Garden. Were I young and wealthy, I would probably be there now, for awhile anyway.
Plenty of "hassles" in dealing with Apple -- no flash on iDevices, antennagate, lack of new technology (ThunderPeak aside).
Interesting. I cannot say the same. Macs and Apple have made my life easier due to me not having to spend precious time fixing something.
Blu-ray sales last year were up 76% in Western Europe and 120% in Japan
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"Dead" - right.
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"Dead" - right.
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"Dead" - right.
Get well soon Steve! I hope you have many more years ahead of you despite your critics wishes.
Actually, I was referring to the many posts here saying that optical discs are "dead" - not to any statements or tweets from the turtlenecked overlord.
Jobs is a salesman, who will spout any nonsense if he thinks that it will get you to send him your debit card number. He doesn't believe what he himself says, neither do I.
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Seriously I don't care what people think or want to believe about this, it's a lot easier to hand someone a 50GB Blu-ray disk then trying to send them that much over a cable ISP that caps ****ing upload speeds at 1Mbps. Not to mention aficionados that actually care about quality understand how VASTLY superior the full quality DTS HD MA track is than any other option or compressed version or streaming stereo or 5.1 which isn't even CD quality.
I'm buying used macs for the same reason; why bother with new version when there is almost nothing new.
This goes also with TB, when there would be useful peripherals to use TB, you can get Macs with it used.
Although I don't wish more frequent updates for macs, it is pretty disaponting when you don't get what other manufacturers offer.
Now we know that earliest date for getting usb3 & bd for a mac laptop is somewhere between Nov 2011 - Jan 2012 and I think it is more probable that we'll get $100 usb3-tb dongle and $200 tb hub in the summer.
"Look Ma, it has daisy chained tb port, well worth of buying!"
"How come all the $500 laptops have usb3 already?"
Unless you have had a personal conversation with Steve Jobs you don't know what he believes.
Frankly I think that he does believe that in the end, Blu-ray is not going to last any longer than DVD or VHS. Despite the apparent high uptake at the moment. So much so that the complex and costly games to license the tech are not in worth it given how many sales would likely come just from including it. And he has the sales numbers for machines without Blu-ray included and sales numbers from the itunes store to back up his feelings.
yeah it sucks that you really really really want to have Blu-ray in your Mac but in the end, you and the other "if it doesn't have it then it is a total piece of crap and they are morons" camp are at most only 2-3% of the buyers/potential buyers and no one else cares enough to not buy. So it must not be that big of an issue for them.
An attached burner works just fine for making and read such data disks. I do it almost every day
99.9% of the folks that intend to appreciate the superior quality of a blu-ray movie are not going to do it on a 15 inch laptop or even 27 inch computer. They will do it on their 50-60 inch tv with the full 5.1 stereo system.
Apple isn't not required by law or anything else to do as everyone else does. So if you want what the other boys are offering, go buy that. Hackintosh it if you wish, you won't get in trouble unless you brag about it, offer to do it for others etc.
I wouldn't bother. Few to zero companies design by petition and I would imagine Apple to be one of them. The fact that the new Macbook Airs, that have no drive at all, are selling in record numbers just validates that this really isn't that huge of an issue. Sure there's a very vocal group of whiners and moaners but it is vastly smaller than those that it would be a major selling point for. So why go to the effort and the cost to perhaps add half of one percent to their sales numbers. Cause that what it would be. Because most of the whiners would be "great it has blu-ray BUT . . ." and still not buy
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Well said. And what is particularly telling can be found few pages back, where I posed the question, "How much would you REALLY be willing to pay extra to have BR on your Mac?"
The group's basic response was ... only ~$100.
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Well said. And what is particularly telling can be found few pages back, where I posed the question, "How much would you REALLY be willing to pay extra to have BR on your Mac?"
The group's basic response was ... only ~$100.
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I can understand the need for dumping large files onto a Blu-Ray disk vs transferring.
For myself, I've long sold my Blu-Ray player and all my movies (including) DVDs.
I am going completely digital and just stream my entire movie collection via Apple TV or my X-Box 360. Formats always change, but at least I can change my digital movie collection format when and if needed. So, the Blu-Ray not being in any Macs isn't such a big bag of hurt for myself.
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For myself, I've long sold my Blu-Ray player and all my movies (including) DVDs.
I am going completely digital and just stream my entire movie collection via Apple TV or my X-Box 360. Formats always change, but at least I can change my digital movie collection format when and if needed. So, the Blu-Ray not being in any Macs isn't such a big bag of hurt for myself.
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I can see the point Charlituna and others make. Apple certainly is a company that builds products for people with extra money on hand, and in the world of business, those are the only customers that matter. When Steve gave his speech in late 1983 about how IBM "wants it all," and Apple being the one that would stand between THEM and the people, rah rah rah, it was good 'ol disingenuous salesmanship, and people loved it. Now it seems many tables have turned, and Apple is the one that "wants it all."
I bought a Mac because I thought it might be better, but instead it was simply more expensive. Now that I'm rich again, it doesn't matter. I can afford all the extra equipment Apple doesn't want me to use in order to get the job done. I'm in the 2-3% that creates/uses Blu-ray, which is still on the way up. I've peeked behind the curtain, given Apple a chance, and learned that it's not magical... It's just a magician pulling tricks.
I bought a Mac because I thought it might be better, but instead it was simply more expensive. Now that I'm rich again, it doesn't matter. I can afford all the extra equipment Apple doesn't want me to use in order to get the job done. I'm in the 2-3% that creates/uses Blu-ray, which is still on the way up. I've peeked behind the curtain, given Apple a chance, and learned that it's not magical... It's just a magician pulling tricks.
Interesting. I cannot say the same. Macs and Apple have made my life easier due to me not having to spend precious time fixing something.
Look, I like the Mac too and I started using them before you discovered them; maybe you're still in the blind honeymoon phase.
For example, copying a folder with new content onto a folder of the same name with existing content wipes out the existing content. I found this out the hard way because I collect images of various things (no, not pr0n) and pre-categorize them before merging them into my main collection on a NAS. For example, I have a folder of car pictures called CARS with my collection on the NAS, and as I'm downloading new images I similarly put them in a staging area called CARS elsewhere until I'm ready to update the master collection. OSX doesn't merge the folders, it wipes out the old one. Bad move. Cost me a few days recovering what I lost from backups.
Then there's the time Leopard completely broke VPN for 6 months, or the numerous times editing a shared document on a Mac irreparably damaged the document formatting for everybody else; or jumping through hoops because the Mac doesn't have a version of Visio or Project... Then there's the pretty frequent permission problems in need of repair, and the ones that can never be repaired...
My G4 Mac Mini and my 1st gen MacBook Pro both got fried; the keyboard on my MacBook Air partially died; the Mac Pro is on its 2nd nVidia 8800GT, I've got a broken full-size aluminum keyboard at my feet. I can go into all the war stories, but if you haven't noticed problems with Apple you aren't using them hard enough.
Overall there are many things about the Mac I like more and that's why I've mostly switched to them. But I'm not blind to the warts.
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Look, I like the Mac too and I started using them before you discovered them; maybe you're still in the blind honeymoon phase.
For example, copying a folder with new content onto a folder with existing content wipes out the existing content. I found this out the hard way because I collect images of various things (no, not pr0n) and pre-categorize them before merging them into my main collection on a NAS. For example, I have a folder of car pictures called CARS with my collection on the NAS, and as I'm downloading new images I similarly put them in a staging area called CARS until I'm ready to update the master collection. OSX doesn't merge the folders, it wipes out the old one. Bad move.
My G4 Mac Mini and my 1st gen MacBook Pro both got fried; the keyboard on my MacBook Air partially died; the Mac Pro is on its 2nd nVidia 8800GT, I've got a broken full-size aluminum keyboard at my feet. I can go into all the war stories, but if you haven't noticed problems with Apple you aren't using them hard enough.
Overall there are many things about the Mac I like more and that's why I've mostly switched to them. But I'm not blind to the warts.
Or maybe it's your fault.
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Digital format.
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In other news, Apple is suddenly pushing "audiophile" 24-bit music in iTunes' future. Personally I welcome 24-bit lossless audio in iTunes. I also welcome it in my movies
Steve is obviously aware of audiophile formats (SACD and DVD-A) since he likened Blu-Ray to them. Further because he is opening the door for 24-bit audio in his ecosystem. If suddenly 2011 is the time for audiophile music, perhaps it is also the time for videophile movies.
* it's probably just because the Beatles released their catalog in 44-24 and Steve wants that on the iTunes store too.
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Please try harder. I mean it's not like I'm pouring water or jamming screwdrivers into powered machines.
I'm also going digital -- but that means working with Blu-Ray as a source for the highest quality 1080p video and lossless 7.1 sound. Apple TV is a child's plaything in that world.
...rip the movies or download.
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I work hard on my macs and other equipment - and by always taking care of the things I own I have never had anything "damage" on me. I type very hard and etc and take it on military missions...
Also, the videos I have are 1080p or at the least 720p... I stream them both on Apple TV and even though it doesn't display the native resolution - it still looks and sounds great on my home theater setup. To each his own.
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