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Congratulations for being able to completely miss how the Dell trounces the MiniMac - yet you keep on typing.

And wow - a MiniMac with ThunderPort. An interface with exactly zero products on the market. An interface with two announced products in the pipeline - both of which will have price tags bigger than the MiniMac.
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Anyway, the context of this sub-thread was my claim that no Apple could come close to a $1000 mini-tower. In spite of efforts to derail that thought - none have succeeded. A $2499 Apple is weak in comparison to a $979 Dell. A $699/$999 Apple is a toy compared to the $979 Dell.

Congratulations on doing what you do best. :rolleyes:

For what I do, I doubt an i7 processor would be noticeable. That's why I gave the i7 iMac to my creative guy running Logic Pro with Omnisphere and Trillian. At the moment, I am coding with Gedit in a Linux VM on my C2D iMac with Netflix streaming on my secondary display. Smooth sailing here. Tell me how much faster that would go for me with the latest and greatest chip. Not everyone needs the fastest chip possible. I'll take "just works" over "fastest available" any day.

BTW - Every reputable techie I have spoken with admits the Mac Mini is a very powerful machine despite what you say. I have no idea why you insist on hating on Apple here. I could not imagine myself wasting my precious time dissing Windows on a Windows forum.
 
A more complete test would be to use the Intel HD GPU on Windows/Ubuntu. If it's stable on the Intel GPU, then the problem is the Apple drivers for the Intel GPU, not the GPU.

Indeed, they're the Intel HD OSX drivers. There are Windows-based machines with the same GPU, such the Sony VAIO that has my collegue, and it works fine.
Unfortunately i cannot test that GPU outside OSX (as Apple didn't used Optimus for the graphic switch). So, yeah.
Unless they release another EFI firmware update (which i highly doubt) to fix the GPU switch, and make the GPU's run independently, to prevent KP's i have to rely on gfxCardStatus.
 
Will there ever come a day when 1080p DRM free movies will be sold through iTunes?

possibly. But unfortunately Apple doesn't control the whole game so the DRM Free might never happen

I know software exits to strip DRM from iTunes movies, but I believe it's for SD content only. I would contemplate an HD movie purchase from iTunes if I could strip it of DRM.

Give it time and it will exist.


I think you're off a bit here. Steve Jobs is the gatekeeper and has more control over the record studios than you seem to think.

He has zero control. He has merely leverage. You know how DRM was removed from music files. It wasn't just Steve saying "I'm doing it get over it". They wanted the power to control the prices. Specifically to raise them. Steve said okay he would let them control the price, but they had to give up DRM. Otherwise the contract terms stood.

He hasn't found that kind of leverage with the studios yet to force them to allow 1080p/5.1 files even if such a thing was reasonable in terms of download sizes. When he has that leverage, he'll play it. And we'll see if physical disks keep going up in sales. They might, they might not.

But regardless, despite your disdain for this "good enough" mentality and how perhaps 2% of the world (many of whom are on this very board) thinks that such music and movies are 'crap', the general public doesn't agree. The general public flocks to buy Macs that don't support Blu-ray disks, flock to buy ipads that don't have 1200p screens and shoot 20MP video, flock to buy those crap audio and video files. And as Apple is a business and is about making money via sales, who do you think they listen to. The people spending the money for whom 'good enough' is good enough, or the 2% that sit on boards and whine about how they won't even consider buying until it has X, Y, Z.

Further, the labels aren't holding back on higher quality files because they are trying to push physical disks.

Record labels no. But we aren't talking about record labels. We are talking about studios. And the studios are definitely still pushing physical. I work with studios, I hear it day in and out. Discs, Discs, Discs. They are scared of digital cause they "know" that if they put it out there, folks will find a way to rip the DRM off and pirate the hell out of the files. Mind you they forget that you can rip the discs also but try pointing that out to them and it doesn't make things better in regards to convincing them to go digital
 
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But regardless, despite your disdain for this "good enough" mentality and how perhaps 2% of the world (many of whom are on this very board) thinks that such music and movies are 'crap', the general public doesn't agree. The general public flocks to buy Macs that don't support Blu-ray disks, flock to buy ipads that don't have 1200p screens and shoot 20MP video, flock to buy those crap audio and video files. And as Apple is a business and is about making money via sales, who do you think they listen to. The people spending the money for whom 'good enough' is good enough, or the 2% that sit on boards and whine about how they won't even consider buying until it has X, Y, Z.

... and the lines yesterday prove this... :eek:

;)
 
Record labels no. But we aren't talking about record labels. We are talking about studios. And the studios are definitely still pushing physical. I work with studios, I hear it day in and out. Discs, Discs, Discs. They are scared of digital cause they "know" that if they put it out there, folks will find a way to rip the DRM off and pirate the hell out of the files. Mind you they forget that you can rip the discs also but try pointing that out to them and it doesn't make things better in regards to convincing them to go digital

Agreed. Studios are terrified of a future sans physical discs. They have made billions off DVD and now Blu-ray sales. What studios will not admit is that adding DRM is actually driving potential customers to torrent.

I was very skeptical about the impact of Blu-ray but in the past 12 months I have purchased a Blu-ray player and I know many friends and family members who have followed suit. People, for now, feel comfortable enjoying movies on disc (call it the DVD model if you will). I think Blu-ray sales will only grow in the near future. However my days of buying physical discs are done. I just rent from Netflix. If I want to own it I'll torrent it (I've been very happy with high-res downloads). Do I feel both crappy and like I'm gonna get in some sort of trouble by doing so? You bet. But I see no choice if I want to own DRM free movies for now. (I contemplated ripping and encoding but it's too much work/time for me.) If Apple or anyone else starts offering 1080P and DRM free I'll maybe start buying movies again.
 
If you don't like it.....tons of PCs out there waiting for you. :p

ha, ha....

Well, I saw a lady at the Apple Store buying an AppleTV. She wanted to turn on her MacBook (iTunes Server), and have company over to choose what to watch via her iPad, and have it show up on here large LCD TV....

A fashion statement.

Who really wants to put in one of those 80's tech optical discs? :eek:

(actually, 70's tech if you count the LaserDisc - LOL...)
 
ha, ha....

Well, I saw a lady at the Apple Store buying an AppleTV. She wanted to turn on her MacBook (iTunes Server), and have company over to choose what to watch via her iPad, and have it show up on here large LCD TV....

A fashion statement.

Who really wants to put in one of those 80's tech optical discs? :eek:

(actually, 70's tech if you count the LaserDisc - LOL...)

What purpose does the iPad serve? A massive remote control? The iPhone could play that role better.

Remember when everything was getting smaller, and the joke was holding your pinched fingers to your ear while pretending to talk on the world's smallest phone? I think it was in a Jim Carrey movie. Now we have iPad remote controls.
 
If you don't like it.....tons of PCs out there waiting for you. :p

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It really is that easy. No need for people here to complain and hate on Apple because of no Blu-ray support.

ha, ha....

Well, I saw a lady at the Apple Store buying an AppleTV. She wanted to turn on her MacBook (iTunes Server), and have company over to choose what to watch via her iPad, and have it show up on here large LCD TV....

A fashion statement.

Who really wants to put in one of those 80's tech optical discs? :eek:

(actually, 70's tech if you count the LaserDisc - LOL...)

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Hmmm, I could fumble with a wall of jewel cases or smoothly browse movies on screen? All those that want to be fumblers be my guest. I"ll go with smooth. ;)
 
I think it's much easier to use a disc, myself. I can also use the restroom without making a mess, and tie my own shoes! :)

If I'm to be your guest, I'll need your address. Thanks!
 
What purpose does the iPad serve? A massive remote control? The iPhone could play that role better.

Remember when everything was getting smaller, and the joke was holding your pinched fingers to your ear while pretending to talk on the world's smallest phone? I think it was in a Jim Carrey movie. Now we have iPad remote controls.

iPad is bigger and doesn't it have a better UI for choosing videos?
 
iPad is bigger and doesn't it have a better UI for choosing videos?

I thought it would be better to browse using the TV. That's what the movie will play on, so why insert the iPad into that mix? Maybe to browse while strolling around the mansion... Now I get it. Coo.
 
This tab still hasn't been explained, but it can only mean 3 potential things:

- Support for AVC-HD on DVD
- Support for HD-DVD (which is dead)
- Support for Blu-Ray (and Apple is on the board of the BDA)

It's for unprotected HD DVD, which can be created using DVD Studio Pro. It does not support features not available in DVDSP, eg. it doesn't support HDi or VC-1.
 
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It really is that easy. No need for people here to complain and hate on Apple because of no Blu-ray support.



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Hmmm, I could fumble with a wall of jewel cases or smoothly browse movies on screen? All those that want to be fumblers be my guest. I"ll go with smooth. ;)

Other than the fact of Blu-Ray support, i would be much MORE worried about Apple's own quality control standards at this point.
Incidentally, i found this kilometric thread about users experiencing the same freezes as me with their MID-2010/2011 MBP models:

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2420192&tstart=0
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2768351&tstart=0

Some people on those threads had even had 2 logic boards replaced, and the problem still persisted. Let alone the iMac's and their yellow-tint problem.
I can understand that they don't want to offer people more choices in terms of entertainment, but damn. If one has to make sacrifices to buy a Mac and receive a non-functional "tool" out-of-the-box, it's better to buy a "crappy" Dell/HP (whatever) for $800-$1000 that's not as performant as a Mac, but at least works out-of-the-box for a year or two.
Don't you agree that Apple is not capable of delivering a complete product, nor even a quality one anymore, except the iPhone/iPad/iPod?? :rolleyes:
Not to sound harsh on you. If you enjoy your Mac's, good for you. But after i payed $2500, received a garbage product classified as "quality", and received a "special" treatment by Apple's own support team, i think that's just enough.
 
Don't you agree that Apple is not capable of delivering a complete product, nor even a quality one anymore, except the iPhone/iPad/iPod?? :rolleyes:

No, I have purchased ten Macs since October 2009 and all are working perfectly. I have two 27" iMacs ( a C2D that I use and an i7 for my creative guy) and no yellow tint there. I also have two mid 2010 13" MBP's and all is good there too. I will continue to confidently buy from Apple because I know Apple will stand behind their product and tend to the occasional issue that crops up when producing millions of machines each year. I could never again buy from a company that attempts to bury their mistakes and then find themselves guilty of fraud for their "deceptive practices."

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146371/court_finds_dell_guilty_of_fraud.html

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/...ws-Dell-Hid-Extent-of-Computer-Flaws?from=rss

You cannot overcome his happy pills.

If you call living an extraordinary life a pill, then you are correct. ;)


And just to stay on topic, isn't it fascinating that so many machines can be sold not only missing Blu-Ray but lacking any optical drive.

LOL

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-1-million-macbook-airs-q4-2010-2011-3
 
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No, I have purchased ten Macs since October 2009 and all are working perfectly. I have two 27" iMacs ( a C2D that I use and an i7 for my creative guy) and no yellow tint there. I also have two mid 2010 13" MBP's and all is good there too. I will continue to confidently buy from Apple because I know Apple will stand behind their product and tend to the occasional issue that crops up when producing millions of machines each year. I could never again buy from a company that attempts to bury their mistakes and then find themselves guilty of fraud for their "deceptive practices."

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/146371/court_finds_dell_guilty_of_fraud.html

http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/...ws-Dell-Hid-Extent-of-Computer-Flaws?from=rss



If you call living an extraordinary life a pill, then you are correct. ;)


And just to stay on topic, isn't it fascinating that so many machines can be sold not only missing Blu-Ray but lacking any optical drive.

LOL

http://www.businessinsider.com/apple-1-million-macbook-airs-q4-2010-2011-3

Wonder what the hell you do with 10 different Mac models, anyway! :rolleyes:
Forgive my ignorance, but wasn't a guy from Apple that always claimed "Do everything on your Mac!"? I mean, the power of a high-spec'd MBP or Imac should be more than enough, no?
Not to sound harsh, but since i got into Apple i never understood this "mania" of having almost the entire Apple Inc. at home :p
And yes, i heard about Dell and their troubles. And i personally don't care, as i never bought from them, nor i plan to. (I don't like their machines designs).
 
(On interpretations of vacuous press releases)
I think it's easy to make that argument now, seeing that Apple have been so daft about it, but I think it's hard to argue that was the impression being given by joining the BDA board and talking about consumers waiting to "burn their own high def DVDs."

I agree with where you're coming from - - although it does come down to where we place our cynicism.

For example (and no offense intended), to now look back at the same announcement and to suggest that it was possibly a "sneaky" attempt to damage BD is also a quite cynical viewpoint.

FWIW, there's an art both to writing a press release ... to infer what people want to hear without making an sort of legally binding commitment. As well as an art to read press releases ... to read precisely what was (and wasn't) a firm declaration or commitment.

I mean, in what way does "waiting anxiously to burn their own high def DVDs" translate to 'no BD drives in macs though, it'll be downloads all the way!'?

Contextually, the BD -vs- HD-DVD format war was still underway, wasn't it? As such, why would Apple choose the language of "high def DVD" in the press release instead of "BD" disks? Afterall, they are joining the competitor of HD-DVD.

In retrospect it looks like Apple only joined the board to try and damage BD's chances from the inside, which would be fairly sneaky if so.

As mentioned above, a pretty cynical view. Less cynically, I'd conjecture that their motivation was that they believed that they had to buy a seat at the table, so as to try to address their DRM concerns by trying to work from within.

Originally Posted by blair.harringto
Will there ever come a day when 1080p DRM free movies will be sold through iTunes?

possibly. But unfortunately Apple doesn't control the whole game so the DRM Free might never happen

Agreed. Intellectual Property (IP) rights are essentially a government-guaranteed monopoly, and if the IP holder doesn't want something, there's no way to force him...the old "lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink".

(HD DRM stripping)
Give it time and it will exist.

Agreed. Even military levels of encryption can be eventually cracked through brute force ... it may be pragmatically impractical, but that's only by today's paradigm of affordable computer performance.

He has zero control. He has merely leverage. You know how DRM was removed from music files. It wasn't just Steve saying "I'm doing it get over it". They wanted the power to control the prices. Specifically to raise them. Steve said okay he would let them control the price, but they had to give up DRM. Otherwise the contract terms stood.

He hasn't found that kind of leverage with the studios yet to force them to allow 1080p/5.1 files even if such a thing was reasonable in terms of download sizes. When he has that leverage, he'll play it. And we'll see if physical disks keep going up in sales. They might, they might not.

IMO, it was the decline of music CD sales ... probably in part due to the success of ripping and piracy ... that finally opened the eyes of the record labels into realizing how unsustainable their business model had become, and thus the concession into the iTunes business model. A recent NPR report on the topic covers some of the factors.

Basically, the movie studios aren't yet convinced that their business model is particularly likely to follow the precedence from music...partly because they are taking steps to hedge their bets (Batman on Facebook, etc) and they don't believe they need Apple as a partner.


But regardless, despite your disdain for this "good enough" mentality and how perhaps 2% of the world (many of whom are on this very board) thinks that such music and movies are 'crap', the general public doesn't agree...

Actually, the public can agree - - but that doesn't mean that they'll agree enough to change their priorities. The basic innovation of the iTunes store is to deliver what the customer wants more, which (bluntly) is immediate gratification.

... And as Apple is a business and is about making money via sales, who do you think they listen to. The people spending the money for whom 'good enough' is good enough, or the 2% that sit on boards and whine about how they won't even consider buying until it has X, Y, Z.

And even if it did, they'll only open their wallet for a whopping $100 :rolleyes:

Record labels no. But we aren't talking about record labels. We are talking about studios. And the studios are definitely still pushing physical. I work with studios, I hear it day in and out. Discs, Discs, Discs. They are scared of digital cause they "know" that if they put it out there, folks will find a way to rip the DRM off and pirate the hell out of the files. Mind you they forget that you can rip the discs also but try pointing that out to them and it doesn't make things better in regards to convincing them to go digital

The studios resist change believe that their business case will be different and as such, they're not vulnerable like the record labels were.

On the one hand, they're right, because part of what brought down the record labels was that the consumer valued singles more than albums (and the MP3 technology facilitated this), whereas a movie is closer to the "album" paradigm.

However, where they're missing is that computer technology continues to advance quite rapidly, so even the computing power for ripping or for storage aren't the insurmountable obstacles that they were even but two years ago anymore. For example, a 2TB drive is $100 for storing 40 movies, which works out to <$3 each, and a "sneaker net" giveaway to a friend of a BD-R is now under $2 per disk...which also bypasses ease-of-traceability via internet based transfers or networks. Perhaps the studios should ask the record labels how many unformatted cassette tapes were sold back in the "Olde Days".

Yes, the ethical challenge here is piracy, but the first question is the motivation: if it is piracy for sake of theft of revenue, or for sake of consumer convenience. The Studios neglect at their own peril the reports about how watching a pirated BD movie is a friendlier-to-consumer experience because it allows the viewers to skip directly to the feature attraction, whereas the legal copies do not, and rudely impose non-skippable trailers and advertisements, which is being utterly disrespectful of their customer.

In a truly competitive marketplace, we would say that "Capitalistic Forces" should rapidly correct this inefficiency in servicing the consumer. However, because of the IP Laws that gives the IP holder a legal marketplace monopoly, this imbalance does not get corrected. Thus, the seeds of "Social Injustice" are sewn which may very well rationalize counteracting an "unjust" restriction on IP through civil disobedience. Please note that I'm not condoning such behavior, but seeking to understand & explain it.


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shouldn't be so difficult

It's likely this has been mentioned in the last 217 pages of posts on this topic.
There will not be a non-physical (streaming or downloadable) replacement for 25-50 GB optical discs for awhile. Who can honestly download that over their Internet Connection? That kind of throughput is many years off I think, especially for the vast majority of homes. I don't see why they can't just throw a blu ray drive in macbook pros and through in a driver of some sort and integrate it into the DVD Player App or Quicktime Player. I'm sure they are loyalties with blu-ray but still when you are forking out $1199-$3000 and up, Apple should suck up the extra cost.
I don't want to have to keep a PC around just to be able to watch a blu-ray movie.
Just thinking out loud here.:)
 
What studios will not admit is that adding DRM is actually driving potential customers to torrent.

That is possibly the most ridiculous line of garbage anyone ever posted here, and that's saying something.

Yeah, movie studios trying like hell to NOT got the way of extinct record companies ARE TO BLAME FOR PEOPLE STEALING.

People either have the ethics TO NOT STEAL, or they DON'T and STEAL. Do not blame companies fighting for their lives despite ridiculous profits. Record companies made ridiculous profits too in the 70's and they will be completely gone within a decade, and has pop music gotten a shred better? Not a bit. Beiber and Gaga. Wowie.

Stealing makes everything worse, and just WAIT to what it does to the QUALITY of motion pictures. When there's no money, like in the early 70's prior to Star Wars which was a gamechanger, movies devolve into low budget garbage.

Steal all you want, but take the responsibility along with it of destroying whatever it is you're stealing.

And let not anyone DARE blame companies trying to protect their investments FROM theft, FOR their theft. "The devil made me do it" indeed.

:apple:
 
That is possibly the most ridiculous line of garbage anyone ever posted here, and that's saying something.

No, it's exactly how pirates view it:
- Go legal = get trapped in dealing with DRM, unskippable lectures on how bad piracy is ("you wouldn't steal a car") messages and possible DHCP nightmares
- Pirate = free, just works and no lectures on why piracy is bad

Why the hell are the legitimate consumers getting the inferior product?

If DRM actually worked, it would be justified*, but seeing as it does nothing to stop pirates, it's a hinderance to legitimate consumers and needs to die in a fire ASAP.

* Of course, each iteration of DRM thinks it will finally be the one to stop piracy, but it doesn't, so just let it go and focus on improving your products.
 
What purpose does the iPad serve? A massive remote control? The iPhone could play that role better.

Remember when everything was getting smaller, and the joke was holding your pinched fingers to your ear while pretending to talk on the world's smallest phone? I think it was in a Jim Carrey movie. Now we have iPad remote controls.

You can also use an iPad or iPhone as a remote control/mouse/keyboard for a HTPC.

http://www.mobilemouse.com/

You know, to watch decent quality Blu-Ray content.

No, it's exactly how pirates view it:
- Go legal = get trapped in dealing with DRM, unskippable lectures on how bad piracy is ("you wouldn't steal a car") messages and possible DHCP nightmares
- Pirate = free, just works and no lectures on why piracy is bad

Why the hell are the legitimate consumers getting the inferior product?

If DRM actually worked, it would be justified*, but seeing as it does nothing to stop pirates, it's a hinderance to legitimate consumers and needs to die in a fire ASAP.

* Of course, each iteration of DRM thinks it will finally be the one to stop piracy, but it doesn't, so just let it go and focus on improving your products.

I still buy discs, if only to rip them.

But sadly, this is true:

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I especially love the annoying "don't pirate this movie" forced trailers that PAYING CUSTOMERS have to suffer through with no option to fast forward but the pirates skip entirely.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5SmrHNWhak
 
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And the Apple Tax is a myth. You and everyone else spouting off that one are doing it based on component prices only but you forget about patent licensing or simply the fact that Apple uses the rest of the money to support their stores and things like those free Genius bar appointments for folks that don't have AppleCare, those free workshops etc. They are not making hundreds and hundreds of dollars on every machine sold. Perhaps not even $100 in some cases.
It really is that easy. No need for people here to complain and hate on Apple because of no Blu-ray support.
But regardless, despite your disdain for this "good enough" mentality and how perhaps 2% of the world (many of whom are on this very board) thinks that such music and movies are 'crap', the general public doesn't agree. The general public flocks to buy Macs that don't support Blu-ray disks, flock to buy ipads that don't have 1200p screens and shoot 20MP video, flock to buy those crap audio and video files. And as Apple is a business and is about making money via sales, who do you think they listen to. The people spending the money for whom 'good enough' is good enough, or the 2% that sit on boards and whine about how they won't even consider buying until it has X, Y, Z.
If I wouldn't want to use OsX, I wouldn't be here complaining.
But since I think OsX is better than Windows, I don't like that Apple is forcing me to pay "Apple tax" to Microsoft to play back a content which is in international standard (=bd).
And how much do I have to pay that tax?
Bd-drive + playback software + windows license + virtualization software + ripping software + 3rd party codecs and what else?
Funnily it is cheaper to buy a windows laptop to lug around in addition to mbp to play back bd-movies.

And how should I benefit from that Apple tax, when there's no Apple store in my country and no movies in my country's iTunes?

Apple's business idea of "for the rest of us" has been from the beginning to offer easily usable high quality with premium price.
It just seems to be that all that is left is premium price (and fairly good os that is although getting old...).
Mac's hardware & os features are lagging more and more, planned obsolence is present ever more (can't change even ram, battery or no replaceablr mass memory or any kind of expandability).
And lot's of quality problems in many products.
Natural when you focus on profitability, not quality.

Pretty funny that those 2% that care about quality computers might be pretty much the same who care about quality movies. Ie macs & bd.

When the gap between price & usability vs. features & expandability is too wide even "the rest of us" will abandon macs. I just hope Apple would free OsX by then.
 
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