I see. Thanks for the info.
Absolutely not. My 13" MBP is too big by my standards. I am waiting for the next 11" MBA. I have a desktop for a reason, it belongs on my desk, not my backpack. LOL
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I see. Thanks for the info.
Absolutely not. My 13" MBP is too big by my standards. I am waiting for the next 11" MBA. I have a desktop for a reason, it belongs on my desk, not my backpack. LOL
Fortunately, there is an adapter for that and adds only .25 lbs to your computer bag.
Here is what the professionals are saying:
LINK Go to 5:50 and 12:30.
These people also seem pretty happy with Apple's current direction.
So here it is - a data cap for AT&T DSL and U-Verse users:
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/03/technology/att_broadband_caps/index.htm
Hats off to Sony and Nintendo for foreseeing this sort of thing - another article I read said that they are, for now, supporting "Physical Media" with their systems.
Really, who wants to get a game for $9.99 to find out you went "over your cap" and pay another $10 to download it?
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/03/technology/att_broadband_caps/index.htm
Hats off to Sony and Nintendo for foreseeing this sort of thing - another article I read said that they are, for now, supporting "Physical Media" with their systems.
Really, who wants to get a game for $9.99 to find out you went "over your cap" and pay another $10 to download it?
So here it is - a data cap for AT&T DSL and U-Verse users:
http://money.cnn.com/2011/05/03/technology/att_broadband_caps/index.htm
Hats off to Sony and Nintendo for foreseeing this sort of thing - another article I read said that they are, for now, supporting "Physical Media" with their systems.
Really, who wants to get a game for $9.99 to find out you went "over your cap" and pay another $10 to download it?
and MS does not? Last I checked you still have the option of buying games for any system in store...
Also last time I checked, there is no shortage of DVD's or Bluray's at Best Buy due to iTunes
Well, MS hasn't said anything *yet* with their next gen system where Sony and Nintendo have....
I heard a distant rumor a long time ago that they were going to go with downloads, but that has probably changed...
Of course they're happy with Apple's current direction: they have enough moneys to hire other people to do what they can't with their FC suite. Something that the "little" average prosumer does not. Don't get me wrong...FCP was one of the reasons why i switched to Macs years ago. But ever since i saw FCS 3, and then tried Adobe Premiere/After Effects CS5, i found myself using more Adobe rather than FCS3.
Whatever i throw at either Premiere/After Effects i'm ready to get my work done. Anything from .mp4, to AVCHD with 5.1 audio gets correctly recognized/decoded, and on Windows 7 x64 with 8GB of RAM they're snappy as butter, whether on OS X i would constantly get the nice colored beachball whenever i tried to render something "huge".
I don't have a particular preference and i never liked OS'es "battles". Also, i never really stand the mentality of "those PRO" people (egocentric, arrogant and selfish.).
Had the chance to meet a few FCP editors, and i almost wanted to smash my iBook on their teeth. Can't stand these kind of people that talk about "this feature", "that feature", and bubble about how "Apple's amazing" all the time, without sharing any tips or just have a friendly conversation. Also, most FCP editors that i know mainly edit weddings, picnics, vacations and amateur porno (why not?), so. Only a minority of BIG Hollywood names edit PROFESSIONALLY with FC. The rest of the industry is probably using Adobe/Sony softwares and Avid Media.
But, anyway. My audio/video editing software of choice is Adobe CS5 Master, so. FC can kiss me goodbye.
I believe whole-heartedly that they will add blu-ray drives within the next 5 years, as dvd are phased out.
With the Internet Providers charging extra for data - this is a definite.
Anything else, Apple will be looked at as part of the price-gouging....
No. Again, I claimed it was a misconception that many people would buy a computer purely to play BDs - it's just that it's silly that machines which are perfectly capable of playing BDs can't do so because Apple is down on Blu-ray as a format.
Again, I pointed to the MacBook Air Superdrive, which is external not internal. Apple gives users of the MB Air an external optical drive option, so it's a shame they don't make it a Blu-ray one - but Apple probably feel they can't really do that an not offer official support for BD movie playback in OS X.
No, it isn't a dumb argument, BDs only play through unreliable flaky hacky methods or by using Windows. That is not 'fine' for the average consumer who just wants to use something as simple as Apple's DVD Player.app
Again, I referred to the option of an external drive. That would not require any kind of redesign. If they wanted to include a BD drive internally, they could design the iMac or Mac Mini around it easily.
And I have no issue with people thinking Apple won't include Blu-ray - I am just arguing that they should.
It's not a technical issue because otherwise Apple could add proper BD movie playback in OS X for those who want it, either by adding their own drives or by Apple selling optional internal drives for their desktop machines and optional external BD drives for their laptops (like they do for the MB Air except not limited to DVDs).
lol, 'even that one' eh? Well done finding a ridiculously over-priced drive to suit your argument (there's an even sillier one going for for $999 though). You could have gone and picked this one instead as an example of realistic pricing:
http://www.sony-optiarc.eu/products/bluraydrivesnotebooks/bc5640h.html
About £85 / $115
Stick that in an external enclosure and it'd probably be similar to the MB Air superdrive in terms of dimensions.
I'm just saying Apple should give us the option. I know it looks unlikely they will do, that's why I bought my own already, but it's a shame there's no good, reliable way to playback BD movies in OS X.
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Now tell me, Einstein, how in the world am I supposed to get the legally acquired digital copy coming with my Blu-Rays into iTunes to play them on my iToys???
Just asking...
regardless what you were trying to argue, don't reply to the wrong quote then if that's not what you were referring to....
anyways, yes your argument is stupid... apple should offer an external bluray drive? It's not going to happen, apple doesn't support bluray so why would they make an internal or external drive even an OPTION? they won't, keep dreaming.
There is no price on the bluray drive that you linked to, I tried looking at the same one on newegg and it is sold out and doesn't have a price..
Also I don't see how you don't understand that there are no 9.5mm bluray drives, so current bluray drives are not going to fit in the current portable lineup, nor the current external enclosures. You thinking that apple is going to redesign their products to put in a drive for a format they DO NOT support is absolutely the dumbest argument around here.
Actually the digital copies usually come on a DVD-ROM. But if they just allowed people to rip the DVDs into iTunes they could just sell 'double play' DVD+BD combos and save themselves the hassle. Though they probably like charging extra for the 'triple play' DVD+BD+digital copy packs.
I didn't, you still aren't understanding the point. I quoted the beginning of each point I was responding to but edited for space, assuming that anyone interested enough could go back and read the whole point. If you do so, you may see that I was responding with the idea that just because someone buys a laptop that is easily portable, it doesn't follow they would have no interest in playing BD movies on it, ever, and that it is unlikely many people buy their computers solely to play BDs on them (or DVDs for that matter). And yet you can play DVDs on a laptop if you want to, whether it's a MBP or a MB Air.
Maybe the point was a little tangential, but it wasn't 'the wrong quote', it was related to the point I quoted.
That's somewhat circular logic. And again, I didn't say it would happen, I said it should happen.
If they did support Blu-ray movie playback, which what I think they should do, then it would make sense that the MB Air Superdrive (or whatever they would call it) would support BDs. As I am arguing they should support BD movie playback, it makes sense to point out that they already offer an external optical drive for a machine that couldn't be fitted with an internal model. It shows a precedent of Apple selling an external optical drive. I would have thought it obvious that if Apple supported BD movie playback on the mac, that would mean it would be across all macs (assuming the presence of a drive, and a HDCP-compliant display in the cases of the Mini and the Pro).
Is that a stupid argument? Well if you think so, that's like your opinion man.
Numerous sites have it for around the price I indicated.
When did I say I thought Apple were going to do that? I said they could, and should, not that they were going to.
Clearly I DO understand there is a lack of 9.5mm BD drives, hence my arguing for an external option for the macs that could not house a BD drive in their current forms.
Please consider the difference between arguing something should be the case and arguing something will be the case.
I understand those are your wishes, but you have to understand apple is not going to do it, they do NOT support bluray; why would they, or would they WANT to, add drives for a format they do NOT support.
If all you want to do is watch blurays on your mac go buy an external drive, download VLC and start watching... only thing you lose out on is BD live and menus, which isn't such a big deal if you are just trying to watch a bluray movie. So I'm still not sure what your argument is?
You think apple should make an external bluray drive? I'll say it again for you, apple does NOT support bluray, hence no bluray drives. If you want native bluray support look elsewhere because it's never going to happen no matter how much you wish that it would. Some people want a 13" macbook pro with 8 usb 3.0 ports, best graphics card available, 32gb of ram, etc. doesn't mean that apple is going to or should make it. Obviously apple is doing well enough with no bluray support, i wouldn't say it's the top priority for many of their consumers or else people wouldn't be buying their products at record numbers.
Also, most FCP editors that i know mainly edit weddings, picnics, vacations and amateur porno (why not?), so.
LOL. The above line is great.
Odd that the FCP users you met were not willing to share. Hmmm. Perhaps it meant showing some of their boudoir work? Also, and please don't take this wrong, but if you were trying to use an iBook for Final Cut, I can certainly understand why you may have gotten more than your share of beach balls.
I'm 100% positive, but I have to think most of the people in that second link I posted earlier for you had anyone who would fall into the category of having deep pockets or a large staff. However, I may be wrong.
Not sure where you sit professionally, but I thought you may be interested in these articles:
Of course, Final Cut Pro isn't the only product available for filmmakers, but it is the most popular now. According to market research firm SCRI International, Final Cut Pro has almost 50 percent market share in the nonlinear editor space, outperforming competitors like Avid.
LINK
Also,
While the results of 2009-10's 130-respondent survey are not yet complete, they presently show Apple's Final Cut growing steadily from around 12% use in 2004 to about 20%, and Avid Technology platforms holding steady, with the Avid DX Mojo now dominant in concert with 24P HD origination.
"The trend is that Avid has 80% of the offline editor market," commented Miller, a member of the ACE board of directors. "That has held with some fluctuation." Miller added that Final Cut's growing market share is not all at the expense of Avid. "Other systems have disappeared, such as Lightworks. There was a year when only Thelma Schoonmaker was using it."
Perhaps because of Avid's saturated installed base, however, Final Cut is leading Avid in new-seat sales, 49.8% to 19.3%, according to SCRI's April survey of broadcast and post houses.
LINK
However, LethalWolf is really the guy to talk to in this thread about all of this and your concerns.
It's too bad you are giving up, as FCP X looks amazing from the little that's been revealed. People complained that Apple took two years, but it looks like it may pay off to have gone back and really rebuilt FCP from the ground up rather than just kick a 64bit version with minor updates out the door earlier. As the one guy in the podcast (who nobody would ever accuse of being an Apple zealot) said, he expects Final Cut sales to quintuple to 10 million, grabbing the attention of the consumers and up to the pros.
Also, don't underestimate the power of particular high profile users. Walter Murch is considered the guy whose blessing made AVID. His use of FCP for Cold Mountain has had a profound effect on its popularity and acceptance.
Well, good luck to you in your endeavors.
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I understand that it looks like Apple is not going support BD movie playback (of course they do actually support BD-drives for burning and reading data from - it's the encrypted movie discs I'm talking about).
You are continuing with this circular logic that leads nowhere. 'Apple won't support Blu-ray because they don't support Blu-ray' is not a very convincing argument.
Here's some actual arguments against Apple theoretically supporting Blu-ray movie plaback:
'Apple won't support Blu-ray because they want to push people towards the iTunes Store' or
'Apple won't support Blu-ray becasue they don't like the licensing terms' or
'Apple won't support Blu-ray because they want to wait until there are cheper and thinner slot-loading drives they can fit into any model'.
Those are all valid arguments that actually have some logic behind them. I disagree that they are strong enough arguments, but that's just my opinion. But saying 'Apple will never add blu-ray drives because they don't support Blu-ray' is meaningless - if they did support Blu-ray movie playback they could add the drives, and if they added the drives they could support Blu-ray movie playback! Obviously! You're just stating the current position and then repeating it as if it were the reasoning behind it.
I have bought an external drive, and I have successfully played some of my Blu-ray discs in VLC via MakeMKV's streaming option. But it's a non-trivial and far from reliable process, and is unsuitable for the average consumer who may be less tech-savvy and just wants to watch a BD movie on their mac. I think that's bad for consumers and bad for Apple's brand. They've shaken off so many ill-founded prejudices with the mac over recent years (file incompatibility, the one-button mouse myth, the lack of software thing...) and then they refuse to support a mainstream, established consumer format that is catered for on Windows.
I don't really care very much if Apple makes an external drive or not, my main desire is that they add optional BD support to OS X.
Comparing Blu-ray support, which is just a software patch away, with the kind of hardware features that would seriously affect all users is missing the point.
The "If you want native bluray support look elsewhere" argument is missing the point again. I want native Blu-ray support in OS X - obviously if the Blu-ray part of that equation was the only, or overriding factor I would have gone to Windows for it already.
And Apple doing great is, in my view, no reason not to provide the option of BD movie playback in OSX. They could do even better with it, but I think it's much harder to argue they'd somehow do worse (in terms of mac sales). That's why I was saying I think it's a strategic decision not a technical one, a point firmly supported by what comments and rumours we've had about Steve Jobs' views on the format. He wants us all to use iTunes, and if we can't or don't want to - too bad for us. I think that sucks.
I'm just expressing my opinions. I'm not expecting Apple to read or respond to my posts (that's what apple.com/feedback is for
). If I'm wasting my time posting at all then so are you my friend
Apple doesn't support Blu-ray because, well, they don't want to...
lol
Well I shall be unable to respond anymore today because I shall not respond anymore today. Why would I respond anymore if I am not going to respond!?
Steve was WAY off...
As this article mentions, Blu-ray revenue was up over 200% for the week ending April 16 compared to the same time last year, and BD was 27% of the total disc sales. It goes on to say that this is the third week in a row that Blu-ray's share of the disc sales were over 25%.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6316#comments
Steve's assertion that Blu-ray is looking like the high-end audio formats was WAY OFF if you ask me. I don't remember SACD or DVD-Audio ever accounting for a quarter of CD sales...
If you ask me, that new Thunderbolt iMac should have had a Blu-ray burner in it. Especially with FCP X on the way...
As this article mentions, Blu-ray revenue was up over 200% for the week ending April 16 compared to the same time last year, and BD was 27% of the total disc sales. It goes on to say that this is the third week in a row that Blu-ray's share of the disc sales were over 25%.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6316#comments
Steve's assertion that Blu-ray is looking like the high-end audio formats was WAY OFF if you ask me. I don't remember SACD or DVD-Audio ever accounting for a quarter of CD sales...
If you ask me, that new Thunderbolt iMac should have had a Blu-ray burner in it. Especially with FCP X on the way...
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As this article mentions, Blu-ray revenue was up over 200% for the week ending April 16 compared to the same time last year, and BD was 27% of the total disc sales. It goes on to say that this is the third week in a row that Blu-ray's share of the disc sales were over 25%.
http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6316#comments
Steve's assertion that Blu-ray is looking like the high-end audio formats was WAY OFF if you ask me. I don't remember SACD or DVD-Audio ever accounting for a quarter of CD sales...
If you ask me, that new Thunderbolt iMac should have had a Blu-ray burner in it. Especially with FCP X on the way...
Blasphemy! Steve knows everything and is always right. You're looking at it wrong.
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Ok poor wording on my part guess I didn't feel the need to list all of the reasons apple isn't going to support bluray I'm typing on an iPhone way to much to type out. Ive also already said the same things you did earlier in this thread no need to constantly repeat myself for every person who thinks that bluray is coming to the mac. Obviously you know why they don't support it just as I do no need to bullet list the points.
The fact still stands that apple doesn't care for bluray for the reasons you mentioned and others, so hoping that they are going to implement it in the future is all good and fine but it's definitely not realistic.
Apple is heading towards the removal of optical drives all together, it's going to be a lot harder to disclude optical drives in the next few years if they add bluray drives now. Apple also likes to make thing smaller and thinner not thicker so expecting them to release a thicker course to add a drive for a format they don't support is also not going to happen. Apple also would rather you buy content from iTunes than from best buy. Apple also prefers to support open standards that they aren't going to have to pay licensing fees on (mDP over HDMI).
You can wish for features all you want, doesn't matter to me, I'm just telling you that expecting bluray support in osx is not realistic at all.
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I understand that it looks like Apple is not going support BD movie playback (of course they do actually support BD-drives for burning and reading data from - it's the encrypted movie discs I'm talking about).
You are continuing with this circular logic that leads nowhere. 'Apple won't support Blu-ray because they don't support Blu-ray' is not a very convincing argument.
Here's some actual arguments against Apple theoretically supporting Blu-ray movie plaback:
'Apple won't support Blu-ray because they want to push people towards the iTunes Store' or
'Apple won't support Blu-ray becasue they don't like the licensing terms' or
'Apple won't support Blu-ray because they want to wait until there are cheper and thinner slot-loading drives they can fit into any model'.
Those are all valid arguments that actually have some logic behind them. I disagree that they are strong enough arguments, but that's just my opinion. But saying 'Apple will never add blu-ray drives because they don't support Blu-ray' is meaningless - if they did support Blu-ray movie playback they could add the drives, and if they added the drives they could support Blu-ray movie playback! Obviously! You're just stating the current position and then repeating it as if it were the reasoning behind it.
I have bought an external drive, and I have successfully played some of my Blu-ray discs in VLC via MakeMKV's streaming option. But it's a non-trivial and far from reliable process, and is unsuitable for the average consumer who may be less tech-savvy and just wants to watch a BD movie on their mac. I think that's bad for consumers and bad for Apple's brand. They've shaken off so many ill-founded prejudices with the mac over recent years (file incompatibility, the one-button mouse myth, the lack of software thing...) and then they refuse to support a mainstream, established consumer format that is catered for on Windows.
I don't really care very much if Apple makes an external drive or not, my main desire is that they add optional BD support to OS X.
Comparing Blu-ray support, which is just a software patch away, with the kind of hardware features that would seriously affect all users is missing the point.
The "If you want native bluray support look elsewhere" argument is missing the point again. I want native Blu-ray support in OS X - obviously if the Blu-ray part of that equation was the only, or overriding factor I would have gone to Windows for it already.
And Apple doing great is, in my view, no reason not to provide the option of BD movie playback in OSX. They could do even better with it, but I think it's much harder to argue they'd somehow do worse (in terms of mac sales). That's why I was saying I think it's a strategic decision not a technical one, a point firmly supported by what comments and rumours we've had about Steve Jobs' views on the format. He wants us all to use iTunes, and if we can't or don't want to - too bad for us. I think that sucks.
I'm just expressing my opinions. I'm not expecting Apple to read or respond to my posts (that's what apple.com/feedback is for
Ok poor wording on my part guess I didn't feel the need to list all of the reasons apple isn't going to support bluray I'm typing on an iPhone way to much to type out. Ive also already said the same things you did earlier in this thread no need to constantly repeat myself for every person who thinks that bluray is coming to the mac. Obviously you know why they don't support it just as I do no need to bullet list the points.
The fact still stands that apple doesn't care for bluray for the reasons you mentioned and others, so hoping that they are going to implement it in the future is all good and fine but it's definitely not realistic.
Apple is heading towards the removal of optical drives all together, it's going to be a lot harder to disclude optical drives in the next few years if they add bluray drives now. Apple also likes to make thing smaller and thinner not thicker so expecting them to release a thicker course to add a drive for a format they don't support is also not going to happen. Apple also would rather you buy content from iTunes than from best buy. Apple also prefers to support open standards that they aren't going to have to pay licensing fees on (mDP over HDMI).
You can wish for features all you want, doesn't matter to me, I'm just telling you that expecting bluray support in osx is not realistic at all.
Good to see the old thread back to life with such vigour! Nice to see people noticing the writing on the wall for streaming - ISPs see streaming as their new cash cow, what with cable revenues (and everything else for that matter) falling - they're going to close that unlimited internet tighter than a fish's sphincter. Eat that one Mr Jobs.
And - another iMac release with no support for Blu-ray, not even playback. Sad, Apple, sad. Makes you wonder why Apple is a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association - keep your enemies closer perhaps?
The sooner Apple stops pretending and drops optical drives the better. Even the local ALDI supermarket has been selling PCs with BD drives for years, now.
With external BD burners well under $200, even here in Australia, I'd rather buy one of those and have Macs that are lighter, cheaper and maybe ALL solid state, even iMacs!
How much would we have to pay VLC to support BD playback on Mac?
And - another iMac release with no support for Blu-ray, not even playback. Sad, Apple, sad. Makes you wonder why Apple is a member of the Blu-ray Disc Association - keep your enemies closer perhaps?
The sooner Apple stops pretending and drops optical drives the better. Even the local ALDI supermarket has been selling PCs with BD drives for years, now.
With external BD burners well under $200, even here in Australia, I'd rather buy one of those and have Macs that are lighter, cheaper and maybe ALL solid state, even iMacs!
How much would we have to pay VLC to support BD playback on Mac?
Indeed it is. Looking back at the first post of this thread, I noticed that it started on June 30th of last year- so we're closing in on the 1 year anniversary of this thing. Astounding!
As we approach the 1-year mark, I think it's interesting to look back and reflect on what has happened since it started. Streaming is more popular, but so are bandwidth caps. Blu-ray is also more popular as I pointed out a few posts back. Compared to a year ago, Blu-ray players are a lot cheaper, and the selection of movies is much better, and steadily improving. There are a lot more good catalog titles coming out.
As for streaming, it may become dominant at some point, but I don't see it happening for a long time- not with the internet the way it is now. I was watching a Netflix movie at a friend's house the other day, and there were several times when it stopped for several minutes to re-buffer. This is the problem I see with streaming- as it becomes more popular it will be harder to watch because of increased internet traffic. The bandwidth caps may alleviate this, but then you're stuck with a higher bill if you go over the limit. Right now streaming seems to me like a 'damned if you do, damned if you don't' sort of thing.
(on a side note, I think the fact that this thread began on June 30th is pretty cool- It started on my birthday! It now seems kinda fitting that I was the one who did the 5000th post...
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I bought a blu-ray player and external burner years ago. Didn't feel like waiting for Steve to bless this format.
I think I'd much rather keep all my stuff on an external hard drive, but blu-ray movies are friggin' huge, I don't have enough space.
I think I'd much rather keep all my stuff on an external hard drive, but blu-ray movies are friggin' huge, I don't have enough space.
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