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Which Mac had a built-in ZIP drive?

I had a beige G3 desktop (not a tower!) that had a built in CD-ROM, floppy and zip 100 drive. It rattled and buzzed, but it ran forever. It's still working, actually. It was the generation before the blue g3 towers.

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Power_Macintosh_G3


I do not miss the instability of Mac OS 7, 8, or 9. Extension conflicts! The launcher! Agh!
 
There's no need to attack other forum members - please ratchet the rhetoric down a bit....

So when you called me a "Apple fanboy" and "follower of the black turtlenecked sith lord" (in numerous past posts) because I happen to like Macs and OSX and don't need BD in my Mac and think OSX and Macs blows Windows and PC's out of the water - you weren't attacking me? :confused:
 
It's a fair thing to point out, you're probably right it isn't Apple's call, but no, I think it's just as bizarre. Arguably more so. You can download the free promotional trailer for the product at a higher resolution than they will eventually sell you the actual product for via the same distribution method? I'd call that bizarre. In the physical world it'd be a little like handing out DVDs of movie trailers then only ever releasing the same movies on VHS, in terms of image quality.
iTunes movies are indeed the modern day equivalent to VHS.
Below-DVD image quality, often only dolby surround sound. Only one audio track which means the absolute nightmare for foreign movie aficionados: DUBBED versions in many non-english speaking countries!

While iTS music quality is halfway tolerable if you want to buy only one song from an album, iTS movies at their current quality levels are just a scam. iTS customers are practically tolerating an image and audio quality set-back of two frickin' decades!
What a price some people are willing to pay for a little bit of convenience...

BD's are the only way studios are getting my money, because at this day and age anything below high-bit-rate 1080p is IMHO a waste of money.
Especially when Brit BD's often cost less than the same title on SD DVD in the U.S.!
 
Ah yes, the geek boy side of the argument. The common misconception that the majority wants to be able to watch their movies on their laptop, desktop

You can't honestly think that's a common misconception, if you do, well then... no comment. In reality it shouldn't even matter why consumers want it only that they do. Am I stating a majority do, no. That said, I'm willing to bet a majority or close to it would would in fact choose to have a blu-ray supported/included, at the very least as an option. This thread itself probably being proof of that.

for 99.9% of the common people, they bought those Blu-rays to watch on their big ass 40 inch or over tv. NOT their little 15 inch laptop.

Sources? Oh, and those capital letters really help make your point :rolleyes:
People buy movies to watch, period. Preferably wherever, on whatever they want! And what makes you think that movies are all that blu-ray's good for...

If they can, great. But if not, it's not a deal breaker.

Not a deal breaker to you maybe, not a deal breaker to a majority of consumers maybe, but still a pathetic annoyance for many.

Funny thing is that many blu-rays these days come with a free digital copy of the movie from itunes. Sure you don't get any of the features that might be "extras" but you get the feature to watch on your computer, ipad etc.

What you neglected to mention is quality, but who cares about that :rolleyes:
 
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iTunes movies are indeed the modern day equivalent to VHS.
Below-DVD image quality, often only dolby surround sound. Only one audio track which means the absolute nightmare for foreign movie aficionados: DUBBED versions in many non-english speaking countries!

While iTS music quality is halfway tolerable if you want to buy only one song from an album, iTS movies at their current quality levels are just a scam. iTS customers are practically tolerating an image and audio quality set-back of two frickin' decades!
What a price some people are willing to pay for a little bit of convenience...

BD's are the only way studios are getting my money, because at this day and age anything below high-bit-rate 1080p is IMHO a waste of money.
Especially when Brit BD's often cost less than the same title on SD DVD in the U.S.!
I don't really think iTunes is meant for people who are looking for the highest quality material.

You have to consider how many other people (the vast majority of the world) would never notice the difference though.

I can't tell you how many times I have seen other people who have a nice HDTV, and are paying for HD services and then they have their TV hooked up via a composite connection making it look like utter crap. Others I know have things hooked up right but for some reason still watch the SD version of channels because they don't understand that they have to tune to the HD version. But the thing is, none of them know and they are all completely happy with watching SD content because they think their HDTV makes it look better.

These are going to be the same people who could care less about how high the bitrate is on their music, so they download it from iTunes. They also aren't going to care about the quality of the audio on their movies, and a 720p rip from the iTunes store is simply good enough for them!

You can't honestly think that's a common misconception, if you do, well then... no comment. In reality it shouldn't even matter why consumers want it only that they do. Am I stating a majority do, no. That said, I'm willing to bet a majority or close to it would would in fact choose to have a blu-ray supported/included, at the very least as an option. This thread itself probably being proof of that.

the macrumors community is really not a good barometer of what consumers want... people here are typically tech heads, unlike most consumers. Also, this is a very small percentage of mac users, of which an even smaller percentage of users on this site care for bluray. Not saying some don't want it, they obviously do, but internet forums don't really dictate what the general consumer wants, needs, or cares about.

Only as a data drive - you cannot play back BD movies. You can burn BD movies, though.
not natively, but you can use VLC and openMKV as a workaround if you really must watch a bluray on your mac
 
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I can't tell you how many times I have seen other people who have a nice HDTV, and are paying for HD services and then they have their TV hooked up via a composite connection making it look like utter crap. Others I know have things hooked up right but for some reason still watch the SD version of channels because they don't understand that they have to tune to the HD version. But the thing is, none of them know and they are all completely happy with watching SD content because they think their HDTV makes it look better.

These are going to be the same people who could care less about how high the bitrate is on their music, so they download it from iTunes. They also aren't going to care about the quality of the audio on their movies, and a 720p rip from the iTunes store is simply good enough for them!

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That's exactly right and very well said, too! :D

Most people don't know what 720p means and they also don't know that it means a form of HD, let alone what difference a higher bitrate makes. It goes a lot farther than that. I'm not going to say most, although that'd probably be accurate, but many "trained professionals" who make their living selling TV's at some place like BestBuy often times do not know either.
 
That's exactly right and very well said, too! :D

Most people don't know what 720p means and they also don't know that it means a form of HD, let alone what difference a higher bitrate makes. It goes a lot farther than that. I'm not going to say most, although that'd probably be accurate, but many "trained professionals" who make their living selling TV's at some place like BestBuy often times do not know either.
yes exactly... so many people just don't understand it all, and i can't blame them. If you don't stay in the tech loop it's very easy to fall behind. Stuff is advancing so fast and new things are introduced every day.

You average consumer is never going to care about the quality of their downloads, at least not for the foreseeable future. Apple knows this, and that's why they settle for what they do.

You have to consider most customers are likely to be more upset if the movie they are trying to stream to their :apple:tv continuously buffers and stops because the network can't handle the high bitrates of your 1080p bluray rip than they would be settling for dumbed down audio and low quality 720p rips from the itunes store.

The other part of the equation, which we don't really know about, is what the movie studios want to allow. apple has to work deals with them to get their content on the iTMS, who is to say they don't dictate lower quality material in hopes that it will get more people to buy the bluray from best buy (where they probably make more money than through iTunes).
 
Nontech people:
My wife watches most of her TV on her netbook via Netflix or Hulu, always in SD quality. Since it is so underpowered, it can't actually handle fullscreen video, skipping VERY badly. (****ing hilarious when even my phone can handle it) So she watches it in the normal webpage view, making the picture about the size of a phone screen.

She tends to not use fullscreen when watching current/live TV on the Mini (1.8Ghz CD), either, despite the fact it can handle fullscreen. And that's only a 19" monitor right now.

Tech people:
I watch virtually all TV or movies on my 90" projector, with 7.1 audio. Always the best quality I can get, HD as often as possible. Although TV I often just watch in stereo due to software issues, as discussed in the recent audio thread. House and Castle really don't need 7.1 surround.
 
Nontech people:
My wife watches most of her TV on her netbook via Netflix or Hulu. Since it is so underpowered, it can't actually handle fullscreen video, skipping VERY badly. (****ing hilarious when even my phone can handle it) So she watches it in the normal webpage view, making the picture about the size of a phone screen.

She tends to not use fullscreen when watching current/live TV on the Mini (1.8Ghz CD), either, despite the fact it can handle fullscreen. And that's only a 19" monitor right now.

Tech people:
I watch virtually all TV or movies on my 90" projector, with 7.1 audio. Although TV I often just watch in stereo due to software issues, as discussed in the recent audio thread. House and Castle really don't need 7.1 surround.

precisely :D

and unfortunately the "non tech people" heavily outnumber the "tech" people :(
 
the macrumors community is really not a good barometer of what consumers want... people here are typically tech heads, unlike most consumers. Also, this is a very small percentage of mac users, of which an even smaller percentage of users on this site care for bluray. Not saying some don't want it, they obviously do, but internet forums don't really dictate what the general consumer wants, needs, or cares about.

No kidding, had I posted in any other non-Apple/tech related forum, the posters would likely be overwhelmingly in favor of Blu-ray support, instead lots of the posters here would prefer no optical drive at all, to get rid of it all together. You think the majority of consumers want this too? Do you honestly think the majority whom want an optical drive wouldn't prefer having Blu-ray over DVD?
 
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That's exactly right and very well said, too! :D

Most people don't know what 720p means and they also don't know that it means a form of HD, let alone what difference a higher bitrate makes. It goes a lot farther than that. I'm not going to say most, although that'd probably be accurate, but many "trained professionals" who make their living selling TV's at some place like BestBuy often times do not know either.

Most people don't know all the complexities but to state that most don't know what 720p is, is absolutely ridiculous. If you honestly believe that, then you really need to get out more!
 
No kidding, had I posted an any other none Apple/tech related forum, the posters would likely be overwhelmingly in favor of blu-ray support, instead lots of the posters here would prefer no optical drive at all, to get rid of it all together. You think the majority of consumers want this too? Do you honestly think the majority whom want an optical drive wouldn't prefer having Blu-ray over DVD?

well judging by the record sales of macs (and no blurays) vs the declining pc market (which has bluray) yeah I would say the majority don't care about bluray support. They may want it or wouldn't mind it, but it's obviously not a deal breaker...

also reports of dvd still outselling bluray (5-1 last i heard), the fact that dvd/bluray sales as a whole are down, while downloads of movies (via itunes and the like) are up also conflict with your notion.

*not for me personally, i love bluray and own many, but out of the many people I know, the majority do NOT own blurays, and of those who do, most of them just started buying them in the last year.

Most people don't know all the complexities but to state that most don't know what 720p is, is absolutely ridiculous. If you honestly believe that, then you really need to get out more!
I think you would be pleasantly surprised.
 
well judging by the record sales of macs (and no blurays) vs the declining pc market (which has bluray) yeah I would say the majority don't care about bluray support. They may want it or wouldn't mind it, but it's obviously not a deal breaker...

+1

3.76 million Macs sold tells me BD is "not a deal breaker."
 
I can see your point with the laptops being too small to accommodate the thicker blu-ray drives but the mac pro and imac should be able to fit them no problem (okay, some minor changes in the imac to fit a drive that is 3mm thicker). Mac mini could be used as a home theater system with a blu-ray. Kinda like how people with a PS3 don't need a seperate blu-ray player.

By the way 264 million computers were sold in 2007 which was an 11% increase from 2006. 3.76 million in 2010 is peanuts.
 
I had a beige G3 desktop (not a tower!) that had a built in CD-ROM, floppy and zip 100 drive. It rattled and buzzed, but it ran forever. It's still working, actually. It was the generation before the blue g3 towers. <delete photo>

I do not miss the instability of Mac OS 7, 8, or 9. Extension conflicts! The launcher! Agh!
Yikes!! Now Im gonna find my PowerMac 6100AV in the basement and post that pic ;)
 
Did I state that it was, maybe try actually reading my post next time!

No offense but I was not replying to you. I was replying to the comment by "xxBURT0Nxx."

By the way 264 million computers were sold in 2007 which was an 11% increase from 2006. 3.76 million in 2010 is peanuts.

How many of those 264 million were in the $1000 plus category? Considering Apple owns the $1000 plus category, that is hardly peanuts. Also, the 3.76 million Macs sold was for the fiscal 2011 second quarter. Not all of 2010.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/04/20results.html
 
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well judging by the record sales of macs (and no blurays) vs the declining pc market (which has bluray) yeah I would say the majority don't care about bluray support. They may want it or wouldn't mind it, but it's obviously not a deal breaker...

I would hardly agree that Blu-ray is on the decline, as for the "PC" market. That Blu-ray is somehow doomed because of a supposed decline in "PC" sales in a fluctuating market, yeah... sorry, but you're really reaching with that one. And I never stated it was a deal breaker...

"Not a deal breaker to you maybe, not a deal breaker to a majority of consumers maybe, but still a pathetic annoyance for many." Who cares about that though right :rolleyes:

also reports of dvd still outselling bluray (5-1 last i heard), the fact that dvd/bluray sales as a whole are down, while downloads of movies (via itunes and the like) are up also conflict with your notion.

*not for me personally, i love bluray and own many, but out of the many people I know, the majority do NOT own blurays, and of those who do, most of them just started buying them in the last year.

Yes, so why not force consumers to completely get rid of optical drives all together, that would be a great idea right. Hey Apple, if you read this, try it and see what happens lols. People want optical drives, I know everyones really exited about the air and all that but lets get real. This said, if people want optical drives, do you really think they wouldn't rather have Blu-ray over DVD. You're statics look nice and all, but in the real world I doubt it would pan out, I seriously doubt people would opt for DVD over Blu-ray even if it did come at a slight increase in cost.

My real gripe is simply, why do you care what me and others want? Would it effect you any way if Apple were to give us consumers at least an option, would it be a "deal breaker" for you? Why do you and a few others constantly feel the need to impose your opinions on to others whom disagree, as if you're opinion is somehow any more valid than theirs! You even state that you love Blu-ray, so tell me because I honestly don't get it.

I think you would be pleasantly surprised.

Doubtful, I've never once met someone my age or younger whom didn't know what 720p is/means. Admittedly I'm only in my mid-twenties though, maybe it's a generational thing.
 
I can see your point with the laptops being too small to accommodate the thicker blu-ray drives but the mac pro and imac should be able to fit them no problem (okay, some minor changes in the imac to fit a drive that is 3mm thicker). Mac mini could be used as a home theater system with a blu-ray. Kinda like how people with a PS3 don't need a seperate blu-ray player.

By the way 264 million computers were sold in 2007 which was an 11% increase from 2006. 3.76 million in 2010 is peanuts.

while i do agree, that's a very small percentage, pc's have dominated market share for decades, and are also available at a much lower price. Only 1 mac rings up under $999 and it doesn't come with a monitor or kb/m

In order to gauge trends in the current market this chart paints a clearer picture of what consumers are doing now, rather than overall market share.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/files/2011/02/maccharts.jpg

in the home Mac sales were up 17.1 percent while overall PC sales were down 0.6 percent. Overall market growth for macs was up over 23% PC sales were only up 3.4% over the same period. This means a high percentage of new computer buyers are switching to mac, and obviously the lack of bluray is not a "deal breaker" for the general public.

That's not to say there aren't people who don't want bluray, but typically it's not a big enough gripe that they purchase a PC w/ bluray over a mac.
 
I would hardly agree that Blu-ray is on the decline, as for the "PC" market. That Blu-ray is somehow doomed because of a supposed decline in "PC" sales in a fluctuating market, yeah... sorry, but you're really reaching with that one. And I never stated it was a deal breaker...
settle down... i'm not trying to argue with you just bringing another point of view for you to consider.

blu-ray sales are up year over year, month over month, but overall DISC sales are still down. (this means more people are buying blurays than before, but the market as a whole is declining) I never said bluray was doomed, just that the lack of a bluray drive in macs is obviously not having an affect on sales, therefore you can conclude it's not a "deal breaker" for MOST consumers.
"Not a deal breaker to you maybe, not a deal breaker to a majority of consumers maybe, but still a pathetic annoyance for many." Who cares about that though right :rolleyes:

Not a deal breaker to me, and not a deal breaker to many as macs increased sales 23% while PC sales declined 0.6% over the same period. If bluray was a huge deal to your average consumer there would be more people buying PC's w/ bluray than macs.

Yes, so why not force consumers to completely get rid of optical drives all together, that would be a great idea right. Hey Apple, if you read this, try it and see what happens lols. People want optical drives, I know everyones really exited about the air and all that but lets get real. This said, if people want optical drives, do you really think they wouldn't rather have Blu-ray over DVD. You're statics look nice and all, but in the real world I doubt it would pan out, I seriously doubt people would opt for DVD over Blu-ray even if it did come at a slight increase in cost.
I never said they would chose bluray over dvd... but obviously it's not a "deal breaker" I don't think you are understanding what that means. Yeah some people may be upset by the lack of bluray, they may want bluray, but it's not a big enough deal to affect their purchases of computers. Numbers don't lie..

My real gripe is simply, why do you care what me and others want? Would it effect you any way if Apple were to give us consumers at least an option, would it be a "deal breaker" for you? Why do you and a few others constantly feel the need to impose your opinions on to others whom disagree, as if you're opinion is somehow any more valid than theirs! You even state that you love Blu-ray, so tell me because I honestly don't get it.
I don't care, I would love to see bluray in a mac... i even said i support bluray, guess my footnote didn't help you to see past the fact you just want to argue. Simple fact is we can complain about bluray all we want.... Apple is showing absolutely NO evidence of adding bluray, in fact they seem to be making a move away from optical media all together. There may be some who don't like it, but that doesn't change the situation.



Doubtful, I've never once met someone my age or younger whom didn't know what 720p is/means. Admittedly I'm only in my mid-twenties though, maybe it's a generational thing.

yeah your age or younger... I'm in my 20's as well, and I can assure you there are a lot more people OVER the age of 20 than there are under the age of 20.... and as age increases, competence for technology wears off. Young people are in the know, they have the latest and greatest... if so many people are aware of HDTV and everything else, why did it take so long to finally flip the switch to DIGITAL content over the air? Surely if soooo many people were down with the digital revolution the flip would have occured years ago when it was first scheduled, not delayed delayed and delayed.
 
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