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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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I would like Apple to make "insanely great" computers once again, instead of "insanely good enough". At one time I even had a Mac with a built-in Zip drive (and that was never as popular as BD)

In fact even though Apple doesn't support BD video playback, it could still offer BD-R drives as a BTO option for those who would care to have one to burn BDs.

Optical is being offered on all Macs except the Air (which makes sense for an ultra-light machine) and Apple has no excuse not to offer the BD hardware as BTO. Even if they don't even support the playback.

On the other hand, Apple really doesn't have any credible excuses for not offering full BD support on Mac OS X. It's not a hardware question. It's not even a software question, Steve has said as much.

Ostensibly it's because of the price of the licence. That's all.

It's pretty pathetic to see what the Mac is becoming.

Good enough.
 
Atlantico said:
I would like Apple to make "insanely great" computers once again, instead of "insanely good enough". At one time I even had a Mac with a built-in Zip drive (and that was never as popular as BD)

In fact even though Apple doesn't support BD video playback, it could still offer BD-R drives as a BTO option for those who would care to have one to burn BDs.

Optical is being offered on all Macs except the Air (which makes sense for an ultra-light machine) and Apple has no excuse not to offer the BD hardware as BTO. Even if they don't even support the playback.

On the other hand, Apple really doesn't have any credible excuses for not offering full BD support on Mac OS X. It's not a hardware question. It's not even a software question, Steve has said as much.

Ostensibly it's because of the price of the licence. That's all.

It's pretty pathetic to see what the Mac is becoming.

Good enough.
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no bluray drive would fit inside the macbook pro without a redesign making it thicker than it is now...
 
...because Apple isn't buying...

xxBURT0Nxx said:
no bluray drive would fit inside the macbook pro without a redesign making it thicker than it is now...
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If Apple put out a bid for thinner BD drives, they'd be available tout suite.

There's no reason that a BD drive has to be thicker than a DVD drive - there's just currently no market for thinner BD drives.


Mr Fusion said:
Holy crap dude! :eek: I guess your setup is a little smaller than the equivalent amount of BD-R's stacked up would be though. :p
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Quite small

5 drive eSATA external enclosure
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...139&cm_re=sans_digital-_-16-111-139-_-Product​
 
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MacNewsFix said:
Also, most FCP editors that i know mainly edit weddings, picnics, vacations and amateur porno (why not?), so.

LOL. The above line is great.

Odd that the FCP users you met were not willing to share. Hmmm. Perhaps it meant showing some of their boudoir work? Also, and please don't take this wrong, but if you were trying to use an iBook for Final Cut, I can certainly understand why you may have gotten more than your share of beach balls.

I'm 100% positive, but I have to think most of the people in that second link I posted earlier for you had anyone who would fall into the category of having deep pockets or a large staff. However, I may be wrong.

Not sure where you sit professionally, but I thought you may be interested in these articles:

Of course, Final Cut Pro isn't the only product available for filmmakers, but it is the most popular now. According to market research firm SCRI International, Final Cut Pro has almost 50 percent market share in the nonlinear editor space, outperforming competitors like Avid.
LINK

Also,

While the results of 2009-10's 130-respondent survey are not yet complete, they presently show Apple's Final Cut growing steadily from around 12% use in 2004 to about 20%, and Avid Technology platforms holding steady, with the Avid DX Mojo now dominant in concert with 24P HD origination.

"The trend is that Avid has 80% of the offline editor market," commented Miller, a member of the ACE board of directors. "That has held with some fluctuation." Miller added that Final Cut's growing market share is not all at the expense of Avid. "Other systems have disappeared, such as Lightworks. There was a year when only Thelma Schoonmaker was using it."

Perhaps because of Avid's saturated installed base, however, Final Cut is leading Avid in new-seat sales, 49.8% to 19.3%, according to SCRI's April survey of broadcast and post houses.
LINK

However, LethalWolf is really the guy to talk to in this thread about all of this and your concerns.

It's too bad you are giving up, as FCP X looks amazing from the little that's been revealed. People complained that Apple took two years, but it looks like it may pay off to have gone back and really rebuilt FCP from the ground up rather than just kick a 64bit version with minor updates out the door earlier. As the one guy in the podcast (who nobody would ever accuse of being an Apple zealot) said, he expects Final Cut sales to quintuple to 10 million, grabbing the attention of the consumers and up to the pros.

Also, don't underestimate the power of particular high profile users. Walter Murch is considered the guy whose blessing made AVID. His use of FCP for Cold Mountain has had a profound effect on its popularity and acceptance.

Well, good luck to you in your endeavors. :)
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No. I never used my iBook for Final Cut, but i always used my "old" C2D 21" iMac (maxed out). And with the iMac i had beachballs with Adobe CS5, not with Final Cut (Final Cut, as well as other Apple programs, are probably the only ones that run smooth than the others.). I used my iBook mainly for everyday work, and for some little FCP projects.
Anyway, back to the topic, i was not saying that FCP sucks. For some people it can be great, and i already know that there are people such as Ridley Scott (see "Life In A Day") or the Cohen Brothers that use it. That doesn't change, however, the fact that most of the Hollywood industry relies on audio/video editing softwares such as: Steinberg Nuendo (check Steve Tushar, remix producer of Korn and many other artists), Fairlight, Pyramix, Digidesign Protools, Adobe CS, Avid Media, Sony Vegas, Cinema 4D, and thousand other softwares/plugins.
All these programs work flawlessly with ANY 3rd party plugins you throw at them, and with any audio/video format. And the price you pay for these suites are worth it. Specially for an independent producer who likes completeness, and doesn't want to pay extra $$$ to hire personnel to finish the job.
Apple has always made great softwares/products, but the problem is that they never managed to create a complete product, instead they always limit it. And all these "limitations" costs time and money to some people. 64 bits??
Yeah, Adobe, as well as many other software companies, have been on the 64-bit bandwagon since XP 64 came out, and they managed to provide a complete working product out-of-the-box. So, it's not really "big news".
When on Macs will be possible to work with over 25 VST's on a 24-bit/64-bit WAVE (P4 6xxx) recording on Protools, or with 3 "massive" 3D effects on After Effects/Cinema 4D, without any RAM-allocation limits, give me a call ;)
Until then i just stick with Windows 7 x64 (Adobe/Protools/Cinema 4D) + Linux Ubuntu (which has proven to have more "guts" than OS X, in terms of stability/speed/performance (no more Kernel Panics/Beachballs for me). ;)
 
Porco said:
This common misconception has cropped up lots in this thread - It's not that someone would specifically buy or take a laptop just to watch Blu-ray discs (or DVDs for that matter), it's that if they have lots of Blu-rays, and they also have a computer that is perfectly capable of playing those BDs, it's silly that it is prevented from doing so because of Apple trying to force people towards iTunes.
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Ah yes, the geek boy side of the argument. The common misconception that the majority wants to be able to watch their movies on their laptop, desktop

for 99.9% of the common people, they bought those Blu-rays to watch on their big ass 40 inch or over tv. NOT their little 15 inch laptop.

If they can, great. But if not, it's not a deal breaker.

Funny thing is that many blu-rays these days come with a free digital copy of the movie from itunes. Sure you don't get any of the features that might be "extras" but you get the feature to watch on your computer, ipad etc.

On a slight tangent, isn't it a joke that Apple only sells 720p videos in iTunes but offers up 1080p files on its movie trailers site? Bizarre.
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If you realize that Apple doesn't get to make the call on the quality, the studios do then it is not bizarre at all.
 
AidenShaw said:
If Apple put out a bid for thinner BD drives, they'd be available tout suite.

There's no reason that a BD drive has to be thicker than a DVD drive - there's just currently no market for thinner BD drives.
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yeah apple is going to spend more money to get a small bluray drive made.. :rolleyes:

Steve Jobs does NOT like bluray, apple doesn't like to pay license fees, they will lose revenue from iTMS, potentially apple tv, also apple is obviously favoring the removal of optical media all together (iTunes, aTV, MBA, Mac App Store)

Just face it bluray is not coming to macs... this thread has been around for a year and we have yet to hear anything suggesting that apple ever plans to implement bluray, in fact we have way more evidence to the contrary.

Apple started the mac app store, no more need for discs, they released a computer with no optical drive and claimed it was the future of notebooks, they have the iTMS to eliminate the need to buy actual CD's, and considering it is now the number 1 music retailer, they obviously think they will be able to do the same with video. They also have released the aTV, focusing on streaming rather than playing back content locally via optical media.....
 
Atlantico said:
I would like Apple to make "insanely great" computers once again, instead of "insanely good enough". At one time I even had a Mac with a built-in Zip drive (and that was never as popular as BD)

In fact even though Apple doesn't support BD video playback, it could still offer BD-R drives as a BTO option for those who would care to have one to burn BDs.

Optical is being offered on all Macs except the Air (which makes sense for an ultra-light machine) and Apple has no excuse not to offer the BD hardware as BTO. Even if they don't even support the playback.

On the other hand, Apple really doesn't have any credible excuses for not offering full BD support on Mac OS X. It's not a hardware question. It's not even a software question, Steve has said as much.

Ostensibly it's because of the price of the licence. That's all.

It's pretty pathetic to see what the Mac is becoming.

Good enough.
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Which Mac had a built-in ZIP drive?
 
Mal said:
Some of the G3 towers had it as an optional add-on. I think it started with the Beige G3 towers, don't recall if it continued into the Blue and White's.

jW
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Thanks, Mal!

I completely forgot about everymac.com. Doh! According to the site, the ZIP 100 option did continue with the B&W G3 towers and even into the Gray and White G4 towers. At some point during the G&W G4s, they transitioned to offering the ZIP 250s only.

I remember my friends in art school had them in their graphics labs, though I think they went with aftermarket installs if my memory serves. I think I still have some SyQuest drives lying around. LOL
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
no bluray drive would fit inside the macbook pro without a redesign making it thicker than it is now...
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I don't care. Put it in the Mac Pro to begin with then and the iMac. Why do I care whether it fits or not at the moment into a MBP?

Probably will in the future. And today it fits in the iMac and the Mac Pro.
 
Atlantico said:
I don't care. Put it in the Mac Pro to begin with then and the iMac. Why do I care whether it fits or not at the moment into a MBP?

Probably will in the future. And today it fits in the iMac and the Mac Pro.
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umm no it wouldn't fit inside the current iMac...

and i was talking in response to your previous post

Optical is being offered on all Macs except the Air (which makes sense for an ultra-light machine) and Apple has no excuse not to offer the BD hardware as BTO. Even if they don't even support the playback.
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so yeah they do have an excuse... no drive will fit inside their current machines... but i'll play along

just curious what do you need bluray for on a mac pro? If you are at home why would you opt to watch it on a mac pro and computer monitor over your big screen in the living room?

I thought everyone wanted bluray drives so they could watch their movie collection when they are away from home?

anyways... here's a whole bunch of drives for your mac pro

http://store.fastmac.com/index.php?cPath=10_2_52
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
just curious what do you need bluray for on a mac pro? If you are at home why would you opt to watch it on a mac pro and computer monitor over your big screen in the living room?

I thought everyone wanted bluray drives so they could watch their movie collection when they are away from home?

anyways... here's a whole bunch of drives for your mac pro

http://store.fastmac.com/index.php?cPath=10_2_52
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I edit HD movies, and put an LG Blu-ray burner in my Mac Pro so I can make copies for festivals, clients, etc.

It works fine, but I think it's silly that I have to pop it out of the Mac and put it in the home theater system just to test / verify it. The system that creates it can't play it. Lame.
 
maybe next time you can boot into win 7 and test it...?:D

But yeah, i guess that's a viable reason to need bluray playback on a mac... thanks
 
albusseverus said:
Good to see the old thread back to life with such vigour! Nice to see people noticing the writing on the wall for streaming - ISPs see streaming as their new cash cow, what with cable revenues (and everything else for that matter) falling - they're going to close that unlimited internet tighter than a fish's sphincter. Eat that one Mr Jobs.
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I'm not quite sure how ISPs see streaming as their cash cow and not as their biggest burden -- that would be why they are implementing bandwidth caps and asking to charge more and/or throttle down certain kinds of traffic.

How does Comcast make money when I stream a movie from Netflix or iTunes?
 
charlituna said:
Ah yes, the geek boy side of the argument. The common misconception that the majority wants to be able to watch their movies on their laptop, desktop

for 99.9% of the common people, they bought those Blu-rays to watch on their big ass 40 inch or over tv. NOT their little 15 inch laptop.

If they can, great. But if not, it's not a deal breaker.
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We're agreeing on that, more or less. I'm just saying that if the minority who do want to watch their BDs on their computer should be able to do that if their computer is a mac, not just a Windows PC.

Also, if the mac supported it it would make the Mac Mini a much more comprehensive choice for media use under one of those big TVs, and mean that Apple had more of a presence in the living room when people decided, rather than were pressured into, using online video services.

charlituna said:
Funny thing is that many blu-rays these days come with a free digital copy of the movie from itunes. Sure you don't get any of the features that might be "extras" but you get the feature to watch on your computer, ipad etc.
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No, typically the Blu-rays with Digital copies cost more than the same titles without them, so they're not really 'free'. And by no means ubiquitous. If they weren't stupidly encumbered with pointless DRM they'd be a better idea though... but of course that applies to every format in this debate, downloads or physical.

charlituna said:
If you realize that Apple doesn't get to make the call on the quality, the studios do then it is not bizarre at all.
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It's a fair thing to point out, you're probably right it isn't Apple's call, but no, I think it's just as bizarre. Arguably more so. You can download the free promotional trailer for the product at a higher resolution than they will eventually sell you the actual product for via the same distribution method? I'd call that bizarre. In the physical world it'd be a little like handing out DVDs of movie trailers then only ever releasing the same movies on VHS, in terms of image quality.

wonderspark said:
The system that creates it can't play it. Lame.
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Eloquently put.
 
Atlantico said:
Umm yes it would. Your opinions aren't facts. Learn it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OznRDGh8ras

http://www.panasonic.com/industrial/optical-drives/blu-ray-disc-drives/uj-135a.aspx



You seem to be at odds with reality.
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sorry i don't have every mac ever made to test what size drives fit in it

I was just basing it off what this site says the 12.7mm drives fit inside of...

http://fastmac.com/slim_bluray.php

still won't fit inside the portables and still no evidence that apple ever plans to implement the drives... keep dreaming
 
xxBURT0Nxx said:
sorry i don't have every mac ever made to test what size drives fit in it

I was just basing it off what this site says the 12.7mm drives fit inside of...

http://fastmac.com/slim_bluray.php
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Perhaps you'd do better to speak about things you know of then, instead of treating your opinions as facts.

still won't fit inside the portables and still no evidence that apple ever plans to implement the drives... keep dreaming
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Still don't care about the portables.
 
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