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Can't defend your enterprise argument, so now you're moving the goalposts to tablets?

I find it ironic that you would accuse me of such practice considering you never answered my request for a link to back up your claim that Apple's share of the Enterprise market went from 0.1% to 0.2%. In case you forgot:

You do realize that 96% growth from 0.1% in the enterprise puts Apple at almost 0.2%, right? (I checked quite a few of your links, and they all quoted percentage growth - not actual percentage of sales.)

Who is moving goalposts now?

Furthermore, me shedding light that Microsoft's consumer PC sales growth has pretty much never declined until now and is linked to the same "iToys" you bemoan was just something I personally find humorous. Nothing more. If you wish to press the issue, you may want to look in the mirror to see who really is trying to move goalposts.
 
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I find it ironic that you would accuse me of such practice considering you never answered my request for a link to back up your claim that Apple's share of the Enterprise market went from 0.1% to 0.2%. In case you forgot:



Who is moving goalposts now?

Furthermore, me shedding light that Microsoft's consumer PC sales growth has pretty much never declined until now and is linked to the same "iToys" you bemoan was just something I personally find humorous. Nothing more. If you wish to press the issue, you may want to look in the mirror to see who really is trying to move goalposts.

the point he is making is percetage are complete useless with out numbers of units sold. It just so a percenage increase.

For example going from 0.1% to 0.2% is 100% growth in market share but really it is not impressive at all because you are still at negligible marketshare. All your links are nothing but headline crap but have zero meat behind them..
 
I could careless if blueray goes to Mac.

Same, I could care a lot less. Like you, I really want Blu-ray on Macs. :)

<link dump>

Why, when someone posts a criticism, do you just post sales figures? How is that relevant? If how the masses buy things is the deciding factor, why doesn't someone just post the Windows marketshare right now and we call it a day?

You used to be better than this. :(
 
the point he is making is percetage are complete useless with out numbers of units sold. It just so a percenage increase.

Ah, I see: hyperbole. Charming.

Funny how quoting percentage growth doesn't seem to bother certain people when it applies to Blu-Ray. Present party excluded, of course.

Why, when someone posts a criticism, do you just post sales figures? How is that relevant? If how the masses buy things is the deciding factor, why doesn't someone just post the Windows marketshare right now and we call it a day?

You used to be better than this. :(

BD became collateral damage in the volley back and forth and was more put in as to not be accused of taking the thread off topic. Mea culpa.
 
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...your claim that Apple's share of the Enterprise market went from 0.1% to 0.2%...

the point he is making is percetage are complete useless with out numbers of units sold. It just so a percenage increase...

I edited the original to make it clearer that I was using hypothetical figures to point out that large percentage increases of small numbers are still small increases. The original could be interpreted as hard data rather than an example (although anyone familiar with my posts should have seen the lack of links as evidence that the numbers were just examples).

I'm still waiting for a response to my suggestion to "Find some links describing companies with 10,000 or more client systems that have already moved 50% of them to Apple OSX". That would be real proof that Apple is making a dent in the enterprise - which is where the goalposts for this tangent started.
 
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Ah, I see: hyperbole. Charming.

Funny how quoting percentage growth doesn't seem to bother certain people when it applies to Blu-Ray. Present party excluded, of course.


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I did think I have read that blu ray is moving faster to same mile stones than DVDs. Also if I remember correctly DVD sales are starting to level off to drop while blu ray sells are increasing.

All in all I have never been a fan of percentage based arguments when looking at growth. I rather see the delta in raw numbers and then see the percentage but that is me.
 
I'm still waiting for a response to my suggestion to "Find some links describing companies with 10,000 or more client systems that have already moved 50% of them to Apple OSX". That would be real proof that Apple is making a dent in the enterprise - which is where the goalposts for this tangent started.

So, do you have a response that addresses the original goalposts for this tangent?
 
Tweeeeeeeeeeeeet!

So, do you have a response that addresses the original goalposts for this tangent?

There is a yellow flag on the field. The officials are going to the instant replay.

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It looks like a penalty is being called for bad sportsmanship, specifically cheating through the use of creative editing.

Up in the booth, all we can do is shake our heads in sheer disbelief. Truly pathetic, folks. Truly pathetic.
 

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A majority of the posts on this thread, however, are arguments between people who think that BD is a reasonable *option*, and people who don't think that it should even be an *option*.

The latter group cares very much about *not* having a BD option. It's not a "couldn't care less" situation, they're adamantly opposed to the idea of Apple supporting the rapidly growing HD optical disc standard - in spite of arguments that BD is the only viable way to get high quality 1080p content today to all but a microscopic fraction of the population on extremely high bandwidth lines without usage caps.

In other words:
People who are opposed to BD on the Mac are in fact against legally distributed commercial full HD content on their platform. Period.

While one can argument that the Mac plays 1080p video downloaded from a torrent site just fine, we shouldn't forget that a) such material is illegal and b) it was certainly ripped from a BD courtesy by a Windows user.

The Mac platform has become so damn useless for handling state-of-the-art commercial full HD content, that we have become dependent of Microsoft!!! Even if we go the illegal route, we are just sad leeches exploiting the charity of our Windows user friends...
 
It looks like a penalty is being called for bad sportsmanship, specifically cheating through the use of creative editing.

Hardly. It was meant as a hypothetical example, which is how Radimus Prime understood it.

It was worded, however, such that one could interpret it as a statement of fact. I acknowledged that, and changed the wording so that it was clear that it was a hypothetical example.

I didn't remove the original text, but put a strike through it, so that it didn't hide the original.

That's "bad sportsmanship"?
 
The Mac platform has become so damn useless for handling state-of-the-art commercial full HD content, that we have become dependent of Microsoft!!! Even if we go the illegal route, we are just sad leeches exploiting the charity of our Windows user friends...
Unless your doing it yourself on Parallels ;)
 
How is this possible with lack of BD support? :confused:

Mac Sales To Enterprises Jump as PCs Replaced
http://www.newsfactor.com/news/Mac-Sales-To-Enterprises-Jump/story.xhtml?story_id=11300BKW4KCW

Apple's Mac steals Windows enterprise sales
http://blogs.computerworld.com/18330/apples_mac_steals_windows_enterprise_sales

Apple computer sales grow faster than PC sales for five years - but why?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/blog/2011/may/24/apple-sales-growth-pc-market

Apple makes huge inroads in enterprise as corporate Mac sales surge 66%
http://www.appleinsider.com/article...terprise_as_corporate_mac_sales_surge_66.html

Macs Appearing On More Government Desktops
http://www.macnews.com/content/macs-appearing-more-government-desktops

Government Mac Purchases Exploding
http://modmyi.com/forums/mac-news/725812-government-mac-purchases-exploding.html

Analyst: Macs Sales to Government Goes Through the Roof
http://www.cultofmac.com/analyst-macs-sales-to-government-goes-through-the-roof/56029

The latest Apple switcher: US government
http://www.9to5mac.com/69919/the-latest-apple-switcher-us-government/

Apple making huge strides into government, enterprise and small business
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/23/apple-making-huge-strides-into-government-enterprise-and-small/

My personal favorite:

Where in the world are Mac sales growing? Everywhere.
http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/05/22/where-in-the-world-are-mac-sales-growing-everywhere/

Want more?:

http://news.google.com/news/more?cl...sult&ct=more-results&resnum=4&ved=0CFkQqgIwAw

nice dodge-and-deflect. You didn't address a single thing I said.
 
tl'dr
Anyways, I havent found a use for the bluray drive on my PC yet, I like having a bluray player on my tv, don't think having a bluray drive on the macs is going to make a big difference.

Just my 2c.
 
Hardly. It was meant as a hypothetical example, which is how Radimus Prime understood it.

It was worded, however, such that one could interpret it as a statement of fact. I acknowledged that, and changed the wording so that it was clear that it was a hypothetical example.

I didn't remove the original text, but put a strike through it, so that it didn't hide the original.

That's "bad sportsmanship"?

No. You know exactly what I'm talking about; that being your addition of the following to your original post once you got called out and boxed yourself in a corner. I specifically refer to the following:

Find some links describing companies with 10,000 or more client systems that have already moved 50% of them to Apple OSX.

Only now, Linux2Mac schooled you again after you attempted to pull this latest foul. Seriously, has that stunt ever worked?

I'm guessing your reaction went something like the following.

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In other words:
People who are opposed to BD on the Mac are in fact against legally distributed commercial full HD content on their platform. Period.

well... there's always the free and legit 1080p movie trailers on Apple's site...

In many ways they are 'good enough', aren't they? I mean who care about watching a whole movie these days anyway.

A trailer might last up to around 4 minutes, many are much shorter. That should be 'good enough' for most users, right? No-one has time for watching a 2-hour movie anymore anyway... the story and dialogue gets in the way of the big action scene and someone shouting 'No!' as the music gets loud towards the end of the trailer.

I'm just glad that Steve Jobs is teaching the world that trailers are the only thing worth Apple promoting and distributing in 1080p. Just like he has 'educated' his mac users that long movie-length Pixar films don't need to be in that overly-detailed, eye-confusing 1080p resolution that Windows users can watch Blu-rays in! 720p is good enough for us. And if our friends or family want to borrow a movie from us? Well silly, they should go and buy an Apple device, set up an iTunes account, (possibly move to the U.S. first of course because not all countries have the movies available at all), then buy or rent their own copy!

It's completely reasonable when you think about it. :p ;)
 
if I did that, I'm sorry

No. You know exactly what I'm talking about; that being your addition of the following to your original post once you got called out and boxed yourself in a corner. I specifically refer to the following:

Find some links describing companies with 10,000 or more client systems that have already moved 50% of them to Apple OSX.

Are you sure that line was added after linux2mac responded? I made a number of edits to that post yesterday.

If I did add that line after he responded, I sincerely apologize to linux2mac. I would not knowingly "back edit" content like that - I usually refresh the page to make sure that there aren't subsequent posts. If I forgot to do that, or if I got a cached page - I am sorry.

Intentionally making significant content changes to a post after it's been replied to is pathetic, I agree.
 
I think it's time I pipe up here. I am one of those people who desperately wants blu ray support on the Mac and am extremely passionate about it. At the end of the day, I could sympathise COMPLETELY with the anti BD users in this thread IF there was a DL alternative that offered equal or better quality/features as BD disks. Unfortunately we are not there yet and in my estimation, it will be another five to ten years before we are. I can't wait till we're there, but for the moment, here are the main reasons why blu ray should be in Macs NOW.

1) People say that the quality of BD isn't that noticeable on laptops. Um, yes it is. I watch DVD's on my MacBook regularly and at full quality they take up about a quarter of my screen and look crap, therefore BD is a better option, and yes 720p from iTunes is a great option for some people too but I will explain why that's simply not good ENOUGH in my next points.

2) There's lots of folks out there who have 27" displays and large iMac's in their bedrooms and double them as their primary computer and also main video consumption mode. Why would you NOT want to be able to watch a blu ray film on a gorgeous screen that size? And before you retort and say that plugging a blu ray player into the display is a solution, that is not AS good as simply building in BD optical drives or at least supporting BD playback in OSX.

3) iTunes simply does NOT offer the same special features content that blu ray discs offer. I am a film collector. I love having all of the commentary tracks and special features that I can get my hands on. SOME iTunes movies have special features, but VERY few. iTunes is good for quickly watching movies while travelling etc. But NOT for the film collectors out there or anyone at all who takes film seriously.

4) At present, you can NOT download films that have a range of language subtitle options from iTunes. Apple is not only being stubborn and ridiculous by not supporting BD, they are being extremely ignorant of other peoples cultures. Ladies and gentlemen, people who don't speak English well DO watch movies outside of their own countries, believe it or not. Blu ray discs have huge amounts of subtitle options. This is the biggest concern for me as my GF is Chinese and we love to watch movies together while travelling. Apple has made this very difficult for us. Or, I have made it very difficult for us by sticking with Apple.

5) What about deaf people? How do you think they feel when they DL an iTunes movie and there's no subs? Blu Ray is better in this case AGAIN.

6) Seriously, how hard is it to build playback support into OSX? Ok so forget the drives for now, especially since blu ray drives that support 3D discs are becoming the new standard, and they don't exist in slot loading sizes yet, but at the very least there is NO excuse for Apple not having included playback support in OSX. I would gladly go out and buy an external blu ray drive just to have the option to play my film collection on my MacBook Air while plugged into my bedrooms 27" display. The question shouldn't be WHY include blu ray on Mac's. It should be WHY NOT?

7) This is probably the most important point. People who collect movies want ONE format that their collection is in. Not two. I don't want a massive collection of BD movies AND digital downloads on my Mac. Serious film enthusiasts ONLY want blu ray collections for the above listed reasons. We are not idiots. We understand that 720p movies on Macs is good enough for most people, BUT, the ease and convenience of having the simple option to be able to pop in my already bought BD movies either in my living room player OR my Mac is the draw. I primarily want BD for the living room, but it would just be damn convenient to have it on my Mac's too rather than being forced to do digital downloads by Apple. iTunes Australia is crap anyway, there's barely any film content on there compared to my local video stores. BD is the only way for now. Talk to me again in ten years when you can download 1080p films, full subtitle options, audio commentaries and special features.
 
. Talk to me again in ten years when you can download 1080p films, full subtitle options, audio commentaries and special features.

I agree with this. Why should it be hard or unviable or a bag of hurt I don't know. I know that if I want to view and hear the extra content on a mac and this includes reading liner notes from remastered cds as well, then itunes doesn't cut it at this point for us.
 
that does not answer provide proof. Going away from windows to Linux is not the same thing as going to OSX. Server are much more likely to be windows or linux than OSX. Having a group going to linux is not a big deal it is fairly common to do.

Wait, wait, wait. Now we are bringing "server" into the mix?

All I can say is O......M.....G. If the point of this exercise is to induce a stroke, it's beginning to work. My left eye is beginning to twitch. LOL!
 
Are you sure that line was added after linux2mac responded? I made a number of edits to that post yesterday.

If I did add that line after he responded, I sincerely apologize to linux2mac. I would not knowingly "back edit" content like that - I usually refresh the page to make sure that there aren't subsequent posts. If I forgot to do that, or if I got a cached page - I am sorry.

Intentionally making significant content changes to a post after it's been replied to is pathetic, I agree.

My feelings are best expressed in the following:
http://youtu.be/f_3f46NrNU8

As an olive branch, and to acknowledge your stepping up and taking responsibility, I'll even plug Blu-Ray for once.

Star-Wars-Blu-Ray-Set-Could-Hit-Sooner-Than-You-Think.jpg
 
I can rent a vastly superior Blu-Ray from RedBox for $2, or have it as part of my Netflix or Blockbuster mail account for nothing extra,
I agree with everything else, but wanted to mention this for clarity. Netflix charges for BD, and has for a couple years. They were even kind enough to recently raise the price to $3 for BD from the original $1.
 
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