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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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linux2mac said:
Even more hysterical? The fact that Windows could possibly cause so much confusion.
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The funniest thing is how little you understand about Windows, to even post such nonsense.

Perhaps you should get a Windows 7 laptop or netbook with WiFi, and walk into a MacDonald's. I'd love to see the photo of your face when you see the balloon tip come up that says "A WiFi network is available, would you like to connect?" - and you just have to click the MacDonald's icon. (Of course, after disregarding the warning that the network is insecure.)
 
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iEdd said:
Ugh. :(
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"Ugh" that it comes up with a clickable notice that WiFi networks are available, and if you click you get the panel to choose the network?

Or "Ugh" that Linux2Mac posted a link to something that was thoroughly discredited in the first few replies to that post?
 
Just that the balloon system is a perfect example of an operating system getting in the way of a user. It's just one of those classic Windows bad ideas that I'm reminded of every time I have to boot it up and endure several balloons at inconvenient intervals.

There also seems to be nothing intelligent about it; if I dismiss a (or many) balloon every day, it still keeps popping up the next day. Yes, there's probably a hidden setting to fix it, but I boot into Windows to get one specific job done and I don't usually have time to **** around fixing its inadequacies.

Then again it plays Blu-rays. :p :(
 
iEdd said:
Just that the balloon system is a perfect example of an operating system getting in the way of a user. It's just one of those classic Windows bad ideas that I'm reminded of every time I have to boot it up and endure several balloons at inconvenient intervals.

There also seems to be nothing intelligent about it; if I dismiss a (or many) balloon every day, it still keeps popping up the next day. Yes, there's probably a hidden setting to fix it, but I boot into Windows to get one specific job done and I don't usually have time to **** around fixing its inadequacies.

Then again it plays Blu-rays. :p :(
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Balloon popups from the system tray appear for a short time, then disappear. They don't require any action from the user - either to acknowledge or act upon.

After the balloon disappears, you still have the WiFi icon with a graphic change to signal that WiFi is available but not connected. Even if you don't like balloons, they are the accepted way for Windows to bring gentle notices of asynchronous events to the user's attention. Balloons are the culturally appropriate mechanism.

But, we're getting even further off-topic than Linux2Mac's attempt to post a "help" flyer from a MacDonald's graphics artist who was clueless about Windows as proof of something or other.
 
AidenShaw said:
The funniest thing is how clueless you are about Windows, to even post such nonsense.

Perhaps you should get a Windows 7 laptop or netbook with WiFi, and walk into a MacDonald's. I'd love to see the photo of your face when you see the balloon tip come up that says "A WiFi network is available, would you like to connect?" - and you just have to click the MacDonald's icon. (Of course, after disregarding the warning that the network is insecure.)
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Figured since he does not know how Window7 Laptop works I would post a picture of mine.
Click the icon with the red circle on it. Brings up a list of network from there you click on the correct network. THAT SIMPLE.

What the thing he showed well look more complex that it really is and goes more with XP which even then is click an icon like what I have circled and it brings up a list of networks in range. Click on the one you want and boom done.

The picture is from my Windows 7 laptop sitting at home so it just has the list of networks in range. All of them are secure. The only time I have to go into settings was when setting up to get into a enterprise security network but even then OSX has a pretty long list of things to do as well.
 

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The picture is from my Windows 7 laptop sitting at home so it just has the list of networks in range. All of them are secure. The only time I have to go into settings was when setting up to get into a enterprise security network but even then OSX has a pretty long list of things to do as well.
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I laughed a week or two ago when I started up the big laptop (T61p with 1920x1200 screen) - most of the time I use a 12" or 14" system.

The T61p didn't connect to Rivendell - my home access point - at first. I popped up the dialog that you showed, and the list of most recent network locations was
  • Siem Riep
  • Patong
  • Patpong
  • Suvarnabhumi
  • Chek Lap Kok
So, I hadn't used it since my 2010 scuba trip....
 
crap

Once again the mighty steve jobs gives what he thinks u should have i moved out of my parents home along time ago did any of u who support him telling u when or what to think still live at home i have bluray on my mac pro and it works just fine
 
cliveren13 said:
Once again the mighty steve jobs gives what he thinks u should have i moved out of my parents home along time ago did any of u who support him telling u when or what to think still live at home i have bluray on my mac pro and it works just fine
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Not to be the grammar Nazi, but could you please try again with some punctuation and capitalization?

I'm not sure what you wrote - did Steve Jobs really tell you to move out of your parent's house?
 
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linux2mac said:
I can't help you because you use IE. LOL

The link works on Chrome, Firefox, and Safari. That is too funny. Talk about epic fail. And people want to go back to Windows for BD?
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sorry but the link does not work for me in Chrome FF or Safari. OSX and Windows 7.
You screwed it up not the rest of us.
 
AidenShaw said:
The funniest thing is how little you understand about Windows, to even post such nonsense.
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I've pulled him up a few times with his lack of Windows knowledge. I genuinely don't think he has much Windows & Win7 experience at all. He has a very poor understanding of Windows which is amazing seeing as he used it so long before migrating to OS X/Linux.
 
AidenShaw said:
The funniest thing is how little you understand about Windows, to even post such nonsense.

Perhaps you should get a Windows 7 laptop or netbook with WiFi, and walk into a MacDonald's. I'd love to see the photo of your face when you see the balloon tip come up that says "A WiFi network is available, would you like to connect?" - and you just have to click the MacDonald's icon. (Of course, after disregarding the warning that the network is insecure.)
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Well said.

Comparing XP to Windows 7... it's much simpler, easier, and nicer with the latter, can't dispute that. Using the systray to connect to your WiFi AP of your choice under Win7 is not much different than doing it through the menu bar on OS X.

However in regards to that flyer, as I see it, it clearly says...

Need more help setting up...
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I'm under the impression that there is a much more simplified manner in which XP and Vista machines since it says "more help" which would suggest there was help provided on the backside of the flyer which it doesn't show.

The part that's in the pic appears to show the portion "if" or "when" the user runs into problems with the earlier, simplified process. If you look at how that flyer folds up, it would definitely suggest that what's displayed wasn't meant to be seen initially unless the user needs that additional info.

Just my .02
 
iEdd said:
Just that the balloon system is a perfect example of an operating system getting in the way of a user. It's just one of those classic Windows bad ideas that I'm reminded of every time I have to boot it up and endure several balloons at inconvenient intervals.

There also seems to be nothing intelligent about it; if I dismiss a (or many) balloon every day, it still keeps popping up the next day. Yes, there's probably a hidden setting to fix it, but I boot into Windows to get one specific job done and I don't usually have time to **** around fixing its inadequacies.

Then again it plays Blu-rays. :p :(
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Why is growl so popular?
 
Do people still want blue ray? just buy an internal Blue ray drive and if you can't get one for the right size, get an external.

Seriously, it would be cheaper than ordering one straight from apple if they did supplement them rather than the regular CD drive.

Can someone who wants blue ray, tell me why they want it?
(i'm being serious here, not being rhetorical like when you ask "why did that guy put a 6in muffler on his stock corolla?")
 
iEdd said:
Growl is done well.

What you're saying is like if I pointed out a bad car, then you said "Why are cars so popular?". I didn't say notifications suck; just that Windows balloons suck.
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What you've described is no different from growl. From what you've described, they only differ in what OS the live in, and really, it's actually more of a short coming in OS X to need a third party program to do this.

You may say Windows has bad ideas. Then OS X doesn't even have ideas.
 
One reason is no interruptions.

Watched a couple movies on Hulu at a friends' house. Commercials jump in at random times, sometimes in the middle of a sentence. That's annoying.

Watched a movie on NetFlix streaming just this morning, and was honored with three or four white-screen interruptions that lasted about three seconds each. The sound cut off, and then it jumped back into the movie after having skipped ahead, so whatever was in that gap was not played. Had to skip backward to see what happened. Annoying.

These things don't happen on disc, unless you wipe boogers all over them. For now, I prefer discs. Many prefer streaming, which is fine. I also like hanging out with people of different races, religions and creeds. I don't try to kill them, like so many narrow-minded people do with media formats and people that they don't like.
 
slinky199 said:
What you've described is no different from growl.
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You honestly see no difference?
Here I am, sitting with Growl running, and it hasn't told me that I'm connected to my network, that I have unused icons on my desktop or that I have no antivirus and my computer might be at risk.

So yes, if your comparison of two features/programs is the 1-word description of what they do ("notifications"), while not even considering the implementations, then of course they are the same.

accessoriesguy said:
Can someone who wants blue ray[sic], tell me why they want it?
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This has been answered to death, but basically:
• It's the current optical disk format; DVDs don't have enough space.
• If I buy a movie, I don't want to have to rebuy it (or settle for worse quality in the case of "free" included downloadable versions) just to watch it on my Mac.
• We pay premium prices for Macs because they have (usually) premium features. DVD drives are an insult. (Though I'd pay a reasonable extra for BTO BD.)
• Archiving on magnetic media (HDDs) is not nearly as safe as on optical media. At 4.7 or 8.5 GB a pop, DVDs aren't that useful for archiving anymore, but 50 GB Blu-rays are.
• For moving picture quality, there still is no alternative to Blu-ray.
 
accessoriesguy said:
Do people still want blue ray?
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says post "#6519"

yes.

accessoriesguy said:
just buy an internal Blue ray drive and if you can't get one for the right size, get an external.

Seriously, it would be cheaper than ordering one straight from apple if they did supplement them rather than the regular CD drive.
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This has been addressed many times already in this thread, but it is a long thread...

The problem is not getting hardware that works. It's that Apple won't even put in the OS-level support that would make Blu-ray movie playback easy.

I've bought my own external drive, and I can get Blu-ray movies to play through MakeMKV and VLC, but it's a hacky, messy 'solution' which is not a particularly satisfying way to do it. Then there's this other new player software that needs to be connected to the net as of now. Both are somewhat dubious seeing as they are not licensing all the relevant stuff that official support from Apple would.

accessoriesguy said:
Can someone who wants blue ray, tell me why they want it?
(i'm being serious here, not being rhetorical like when you ask "why did that guy put a 6in muffler on his stock corolla?")
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Well... I want to be able to easily play Blu-rays on my mac if I want. I'd quite like to use a mac mini+ BD drive as a HTPC under my TV. I don't want to download movies anytime soon becasue they are inferior quality, more heavily restricted (computers and apple devices only from iTunes for example), and the selection is poorer and limited to official releases in my country, which is corporate manipulative nonsense. Prices of online video will be locked much higher in the future because with DRM'd online video you have no resale value, no second hand market, and mostly big players who will probably settle on permanent price structures. I can't lend an iTunes video to my friends or family.

More widely, I want my mac to be capable of doing everything the average user might want that a Windows PC can because it's simply daft if it isn't. I want Steve Jobs to stop looking silly being on the Disney board as he denigrates Blu-ray whilst Disney release loads of (really good) Blu-ray discs. Some of which even credit him in the titles. On the Blu-ray you can only play on his competitor's OS.

And I want Apple to respect their customers enough to give them the choice between physical media and online media, because if they believe in the latter so much they should let it 'win' on its own merits, instead of trying to 'stack the deck' in their favour.
 
MacNewsFix said:
Great article by Tony Bradley at PC World.

"R.I.P. DVD: Six Reasons It's Time for Discs to Die"

Enjoy.
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linux2mac said:
Thanks!

"We are now at a point, though, where discs are unnecessary and cause more problems than they solve."
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Aren't you two in the same town? If you're not the same person on two accounts, maybe you can get together and start a lynch mob. If you see someone using a disc, you can tie them to your car and drag them around town until they die or promise to start downloading. Apple might even secretly applaud your hatred.
 
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