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Great article at Fast Company.

A good read some of you may enjoy:

What Will You Do With All Those Discs Now That Apple's Killing The DVD?

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Cheers.
 
As long as plastic discs are significantly cheaper than silicon chips or whatever else, there will be a market for the cheaper option that holds the same amount of data. Maybe Apple should buy out all the plastic disc makers in the world, so they can kill the production of discs. Seems like the more direct approach.

PS. To answer the question, "What will I do with all my discs," the answer is that I'll keep playing them (for free) until I don't feel like it anymore.
 
Ah, so you believe Apple simply wants to avoid confusing those consumers that are less reasonable and/or intelligent.

Nope. Never said that or implied as much.

Again, Apple doesn't want to send the message that they are going to support a format long-term when it is still relatively dicey as to its staying power. In other words, consistency. Considering how many people are flocking to the MacBook Air, and Apple's confidence in plastic disks going the way of the dodo by nuking optical media on both its entry level desktop and laptop, it appears Apple is not too bullish on Blu-Ray's long-term prospects. They certainly have every reason to be based on available and projected data I have come across (besides marketing material from organizations that stand to gain by BD catching on.).

It's not a hobby when they make as much money with iTunes as they do.

iTunes is meant to move hardware sales. The money they make on the service is infinitesimally small. How small? Only $1.4 billion in revenue (not profit) last quarter was generated from iTunes which includes music, applications, and movies; compare that to overall revenue of $28.57 billion, and you are just shy of 5%.

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Conversely, if they didn't want to confuse customers, why did they make the Thunderbolt port the same exact port as Mini DisplayPort?

Mini DisplayPort does video. Thunderbolt does video, too. Cuts down on redundancy and confusion for some Windows converts who previously used the Mini DisplayPort.

Seems like there could be some confusion there. Or, why did they release an update to OS X 10.6.8 called 10.6.8 Supplemental Update, not to mention 10.6.8 Update v1.1 and 10.6.8 Update Combo v1.1? Again, could be seen as highly effing confusing. I'm not confused, but I know a lot of people are.

Use Software Update. Avoids confusion.

Here's what's really happening:
Discs are made of plastic. They're the cheapest form of storage out there today.

Some would argue differently with Blu-Ray about $0.015 USD cheaper than both DVD and tradition hard disks (who are about on par with each other). Regardless, the cost difference is minimal. More people likely buy external drives for the convenience of avoiding having to burn multiple disks and to save time. I don't know anybody buying disks anymore. They carry pocket flash drives and iPods.

Save us from confusion? Not the case for Apple, nor most companies. Most are here to simplify the transfer of our money to their accounts.

2011 - The year of the imbeciles.

You seem to really have a pretty pessimistic view of commerce in general, so I take it you must work in the non-profit sector. I applaud your altruistic nature.
 
iTunes is meant to move hardware sales. The money they make on the service is infinitesimally small. How small? Only $1.4 billion in revenue (not profit) last quarter was generated from iTunes which includes music, applications, and movies; compare that to overall revenue of $28.57 billion, and you are just shy of 5%.

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Only 5%? :confused:

One would think that number would be higher given SJ's reputation here of being the "black, turtle-necked, Sith Lord" for not adopting BD and killing optical drives which is supposedly driving everyone to iTunes. Yep, that 5% really shows that SJ wants us to watch movies and get all of our Mac applications from iTunes and the Mac App store respectively. Yep, that's the reason why he is killing optical so we have no choice but to go to iTunes. :rolleyes:

BTW - The majority of linux2mac's movie streaming to his home theater is from Netflix not iTunes. He also downloads many free apps like Virtual Box and Neo Office ( free and puts MS Office to shame) from their respective websites and not the Mac App Store. In fact the only Mac application linux2mac has downloaded from the Mac App store was Lion, which was great because he was able to get it the same day it was released instead of waiting for Apple Online Store or Amazon to deliver it. DOH!
 
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I get the fact that HDD storage could be considered on par with discs, but that doesn't factor in cases where you want to move fewer files. Discs make that very handy. I can send just one movie via disc for much, much less than buying a whole hard drive or a large thumb drive. When the client wants one file, and they don't want to download it (such as in my case with Dell) and they don't want to pay you to buy a whole HDD or thumb drive to send them, what does one do? In those sorts of situations, discs will remain cheaper.

That chart looks like it's suggesting iTunes revenue was up there in the $12 billion band, but even if it's only $1.4 billion in one quarter, it seems like a good profit. Point not taken.

Software Update says I have 10.6.8. But before I had 10.6.8 as well. I know why, but I know people that don't. They also don't care, but more to the point, they also ask me to fix their junk when it's jacked up, because they get confused. You can figure out the point here.

You misunderstand my view about commerce. I've worked in non-profit for a while, but now I run my own company. The purpose is to make money and provide things people want. I do have an altruistic streak, so I give a better value than most anyone for what I do. Thanks for noticing!

The point is that Apple isn't pushing to kill discs in order to save people confusion or money. I believe their motive is to create hype and make more money than they already do. I like owning and using discs, so I have a motive to see them continue for a while. Simple as that.
 
Your bank balance goes to $0.00 all by itself! No user intervention required.

In your dreams.

Aren't you two in the same town? If you're not the same person on two accounts, maybe you can get together and start a lynch mob. If you see someone using a disc, you can tie them to your car and drag them around town until they die or promise to start downloading. Apple might even secretly applaud your hatred.

Secretly?

Blue ray = meh.

The way that the internet is going, you will be streaming your blue ray sized content over the web within a couple of years.

What part of global default/greatest depression news are you NOT listening to?

But seriously, who would want to put 60GB on a disk??.... Just put it on a server and get your clients to download it or put it on an external drive.

Oh, sure. The 1000 companies I have to send demos of my video to have execs and secretaries with nothing to do but download all day in the background like the "download is king" brats do porn and stolen software. Yep, big business would much rather tie up their computers downloading (multiply my promo material times 10000) then me mailing or handing them a disc they can pop in instantly. And flash media will never be as cheap as an optical plastic disc.

Whenever I hear blue ray, I think Playstation 3. Anyone else the same?

What is that? While you were playing videogames, I was making money in business. Your childish vendetta against or opinion of a game manufacturer and their product means nothing to me. I don't care if Blu-ray was made by Sony, Apple, Microsoft, or the CIA. I need and use it in my business every day, and have since it arrived.

As long as plastic discs are significantly cheaper than silicon chips or whatever else, there will be a market for the cheaper option that holds the same amount of data. Maybe Apple should buy out all the plastic disc makers in the world, so they can kill the production of discs. Seems like the more direct approach.

They're too cheap. They'd rather use their distortion field and marketing dollars to convince idiots it's their way or the highway.

Yep, that's the reason why he is killing optical so we have no choice but to go to iTunes.

Glad you've finally seen the light. :rolleyes:

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Those taking a position against blu-ray at this stage of the technology game are a bit foolish. If you're against the media for content delivery - you are also against quality plain and simple. You are willing to sacrifice audio and video quality and accept an inferior viewing experience.

Which is funny coming from (most) people here who praise all things Apple and expect more....
 
Those taking a position against blu-ray at this stage of the technology game are a bit foolish. If you're against the media for content delivery - you are also against quality plain and simple. You are willing to sacrifice audio and video quality and accept an inferior viewing experience.

Which is funny coming from (most) people here who praise all things Apple and expect more....

Because we can't possibly dislilke BluRay for its unjustified markup, Draconian DRM or industry attitude towards consumers.

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Because we can't possibly dislilke BluRay for its unjustified markup, Draconian DRM or industry attitude towards consumers.

Perhaps I should have better qualified my statement. Those who argue that media is no longer needed. That streaming is the way to go, etc.
 
iTunes is meant to move hardware sales. The money they make on the service is infinitesimally small. How small? Only $1.4 billion in revenue (not profit) last quarter was generated from iTunes which includes music, applications, and movies; compare that to overall revenue of $28.57 billion, and you are just shy of 5%.

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Some would argue differently with Blu-Ray about $0.015 USD cheaper than both DVD and tradition hard disks (who are about on par with each other). Regardless, the cost difference is minimal. More people likely buy external drives for the convenience of avoiding having to burn multiple disks and to save time. I don't know anybody buying disks anymore. They carry pocket flash drives and iPods.
Maybe you don't know anyone that works in video/tv/film business?
Anyway your graf is so old, that it's meaningless tu talk about it.
You are right in that price difference pre GB between optical & hdd does not matter.
What does matter, is the price of one media and mechanical reliability and of course DRM. With optical disc You own the copy and it also has resale value.
Only 5%? :confused:
One would think that number would be higher given SJ's reputation here of being the "black, turtle-necked, Sith Lord" for not adopting BD and killing optical drives which is supposedly driving everyone to iTunes. Yep, that 5% really shows that SJ wants us to watch movies and get all of our Mac applications from iTunes and the Mac App store respectively. Yep, that's the reason why he is killing optical so we have no choice but to go to iTunes. :rolleyes:
Too bad when your country's iTunes does not offer movies at all.
The number being so low only shows that even Steve-O can't change the industry. He can only change Macs. Majority of sold computers will have optical drive also in near future and bd is coming all the time more usual.
It will take 1-2 years before the cheap models will have it and retail business is 90% of those cheap models. A couple years more and something like 80% of computers on this planet has bd (5% macs, 5% no-opticals, 10% old stuff).
And for the living room usage bd is sure winner already. It will be market king in 2013.
Reason for Apple to get rid of physical copies is increase profits and have more control. Usability or customer satisfaction has nothing to do about it. Vast majority of consumers don't mind having features they don't use a lot. They don't want to get rid of optical drive if they rarely use it. All this time all their gadgets have been having 90% of features they don't use.
 
Seems to be that Apple's plan for killing optical is to be able to sell tiny $1 usb stick for $40!
There's no other product in the world that you could get this high profits!


Profits? Try researching SaaS (Software as a Service). Then consider the traditional landline telephone, as well as GM's OnStar service...even basic cellphone service too. In short, the business model that these all have in common is to lock consumers into paying monthly service fees that are a source of guarenteed revenue to the business, and the only time that they're not profitable is for the top 1-2% ... for which the provider will likely impose data caps, service throttling, extra fees, etc, in order to minimize losses and maintain profitability.



I get the fact that HDD storage could be considered on par with discs, but that doesn't factor in cases where you want to move fewer files. Discs make that very handy.

True, and USB thumb drives have made much (not all) of that type of use case even more handy.

I can send just one movie via disc for much, much less than buying a whole hard drive or a large thumb drive. When the client wants one file, and they don't want to download it (such as in my case with Dell) and they don't want to pay you to buy a whole HDD or thumb drive to send them, what does one do? In those sorts of situations, discs will remain cheaper.

Sure, when one has invested in (and is paying for) multiple technology options, one can pick whichever one is most optimal for any particular use case. In this example, the example's use case is for a one-way shipping of a one-shot.

Frankly, it depends upon one's industry to know if the above example is the most common use case, or not, to understand what its priority is.

To illustrate by contrast, I've attended meetings where before the first coffee break, all the presenters loan their USB thumb drive to the meeting secretary for uploading ... and then at the end of the day, they get their USBs back with a copy of everyone's presentations on it. This process actually replaced a CD-burning process, which was invariably always incomplete because of a late addition/change or augmentation...the attenders prefer it, and it also costs less for the meeting host.

Sure, cheap disposable media has its place...even the ancient 5.25" floppy didn't start out this way: it took time for its price to drop. Ditto the 3.5" floppy. Ditto the CD, then DVD ... and as per a conference I attended earlier this year, their handout package included a 4GB USB drive with all of the conference's proceedings on it. FWIW, they also had their organization's logo custom-imprinted on it...that's marketing, particularly since I'm more likely to re-use their USB thumb drive (and see their name repeatedly) than a one-shot CD/DVD read of the papers (to upload them to my server).

In any case, while it is true that a CD/DVD/etc is going to be cheaper than, say, an 8GB thumb drive ($10), even for a "one way disposable", the cost difference isn't necessarily as profound as it first appears when we also remember to include the entire transfer process. For example, if there's another ~$30 for FedEx overnight shipping...


That chart looks like it's suggesting iTunes revenue was up there in the $12 billion band, but even if it's only $1.4 billion in one quarter, it seems like a good profit. Point not taken.

FWIW, I believe that his intended point was to not ignore the other 95%.


The point is that Apple isn't pushing to kill discs in order to save people confusion or money. I believe their motive is to create hype and make more money than they already do. I like owning and using discs, so I have a motive to see them continue for a while. Simple as that.

That's kind of where I started this post: there's invariably going to be a business angle that financially benefits Apple/Apple's interests. Of course, the specific reasons here are ultimately only known to them, and to them alone: we're on the outside and limited to speculating.

When one looks at the IT industry, one of the paradigms that PCs introduced 30 years ago was a change from "rent" (services) to "own" (packaged software), which has clear lifecycle cost benefits to small / individual consumers in that they're not forced to have recurring monthly expenses just to keep on using their current capability ... but by the same token, that consumer benefit is also a "cost" to the providers of that software: their business model had to change from supporting existing customers to coming out with a "NEW!" product to try to motivate consumers to send money their way through new sales. As such, it should hardly be any wonder that SaaS has been kicking around now for several years, trying to gain marketplace acceptance and traction.

When we look back at the basic reason for optical media .. commercial media content .. what we see is a similarity in business models: physical media is the "buy it once, have it forever for as many accesses as I want" paradigm, whereas the streaming/subscriptions are the paradigm of "pay per use" or "pay monthly for having the right to access it" paradigm.

With multiple technology options, one can pick whichever one is most optimal for any particular use case (sound familiar?) ... but since Apple, where they've chosen not to support the BD option, for reasons ultimately only known to them, and to them alone, these options have effectively been constrained.

Hopefully, we will one day find out the real reasons why. There have been suggestions that physical media will fail, but (at least within the USA) the replacement infrastructure doesn't appear to be adequately mature yet. Perhaps we can look to see what's happening in places like the UK then, even if it may only be still just a hint (and an imprecise one at that) of what a likely future direction may be. Clearly, the future isn't always particularly evident until it is the past.


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Profits? Try researching SaaS (Software as a Service). Then consider the traditional landline telephone, as well as GM's OnStar service...even basic cellphone service too. In short, the business model that these all have in common is to lock consumers into paying monthly service fees that are a source of guarenteed revenue to the business, and the only time that they're not profitable is for the top 1-2% ... for which the provider will likely impose data caps, service throttling, extra fees, etc, in order to minimize losses and maintain profitability.

hmm onstar can be be easily compared to apple's itunes service or netflix: "only north america covered" ;)

seriously though Apple international itunes stores are absolute rubbish for everything except music... and if blockbuster-only-movie content available is ridiculously overpriced

why is it cheaper to order a bluray off amazon which includes 1080p, original sound, and extras
than to download a barely-dvd-quality german-dubbed-only movie of from itunes where no discs need to be pressed or shipped around ?
 
hmm onstar can be be easily compared to apple's itunes service or netflix: "only north america covered" ;)

Intended humor understood. The reality is that everything is going to be regionally influenced to some degree. Apple (& others) are merely offering a particular service to a market where they believe that they can make a nice profit in; no one is forcing the consumer to buy their product.

seriously though Apple international itunes stores are absolute rubbish for everything except music... and if blockbuster-only-movie content available is ridiculously overpriced

why is it cheaper to order a bluray off amazon which includes 1080p, original sound, and extras than to download a barely-dvd-quality german-dubbed-only movie of from itunes where no discs need to be pressed or shipped around ?

It is a great question, but I doubt that any of us here have the full details of both business models to detail it all out...we would just be speculating.

FWIW, another similarly great question is how much it costs to assemble a laptop in China vs within the USA ... and the answer is $20/unit (note: by a company other than Apple), but this is before all of the higher "doing business" expenes are budgeted, so the real savings are no more than half of this. But wouldn't an "Assembled here to support Domestic Jobs" be a great marketing edge that's worth a relatively tiny $10 bump in Retail MSRP? No, apparently not.


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I will continue ripping them to put on my media server and playing on a PC which, unlike a Mac, can play the ISOs of Blu-Rays I have purchased and stored away as a backup.

What will you do when your hard drive crashes and you lose all your iTunes downloads?

Download them from iTunes for free.
 
Profits? Try researching SaaS (Software as a Service). Then consider the traditional landline telephone, as well as GM's OnStar service...even basic cellphone service too. In short, the business model that these all have in common is to lock consumers into paying monthly service fees that are a source of guarenteed revenue to the business, and the only time that they're not profitable is for the top 1-2% ... for which the provider will likely impose data caps, service throttling, extra fees, etc, in order to minimize losses and maintain profitability.
This is exactly what I want to avoid. I understand SaaS, and you can probably tell I do my best to physically own what I need or want, rather than pay a monthly fee to own electrons floating in cyberspace. I order the packaged media rather than download. However, where it makes sense to download, I will do it. A maybe-cruddy movie? Stream it, and if I like it enough that I know I'll watch it a few more times, I buy it on disc. (Admittedly, that's rare.)

I realize that eventually (hopefully as far into the future as possible) streaming and paying for everything every time it's used will be the only option. Obviously, I don't like that scenario, but "the man" will win someday, and I'll have to choose to consume the media via payment, or go out and play in the real world to avoid that grind. I still prefer movie theaters, which is funny when you consider that I am getting even less that way. The theater doesn't give me a copy to take home, people were talking and walking in front of my seat, I paid more than buying the Blu-ray when you factor in paying for my girlfriend and that $4 box of licorice, etc. That's ok, though because it's an experience I like and chose to have. Problems happen, but at least the theater show won't suddenly skip to a commercial, have unsightly artifacts in the blacks or start buffering for seconds or minutes. When that happens, I'll probably stop going to movies.

I understand that if I fly to a meeting at the headquarters for Dell in Austin, it would serve me well to bring a thumb drive with all the media they want. I might even bring a laptop to make some low-end changes after getting some feedback. Thing is, I haven't gone to any meetings with them at their place; they have met me here in my own state. Since then, I've uploaded revisions to YouTube for the approval process. Once finalized, they want a disc, because they are "sick and tired" (their words) of spending all day downloading files that large. They suffer through YouTube, because it allows playback prior to loading the whole file, but for whatever reason when they see it as getting a finished product, they see it as X hours wasted getting a file that they could have just grabbed from the mailman. I understand their needs, and I accommodate them by sending them a disc. It's about $30 to FedEx, but if I sent them a thumb drive, it would be $30 plus however much the thumb drive was... another $20? Could we reuse that drive? Sure, but the one time I sent them a thumb drive, it did not return to me. Are they going to mail it back? You must be crazy! :p Guess why I won't send them a whole HDD.

I know there are plenty of other companies that work differently. With a little more pushing, I could probably convince them to work smarter with me. Problem is, reality sets in. They dumped the producer prior to me because they didn't like working with him; he annoyed them, they said. I do what they want, and they have kept me busy all year. I'm not going to urinate on my bread and butter.

None of this means you all can't enjoy your streaming. What I just don't understand is why some of you are clamoring to see discs die out. Why do they hurt you? I like that I can keep getting discs from Netflix for $10 a month, with no streaming. Why do you care that it's available? You can get your Macbook Air with SSD and no ODD drive, right? Why root for Apple to kill spinning media from the entire Earth? We all see Mike (Linux2Mac) post his ROFLcopters and LOLLERskates about how much better off he is with his projection screen media center, devoid of any physical media, implying that we're all the fools for not embracing the future and so on. People look really cool when they get on those crystal stilts to be above us all on the cutting edge, but they often shatter when you take a step forward. Fortunately, it has nothing to do with me. I hope streaming succeeds just as much as I hope discs continue to succeed. People spending money is good for the world economy.

I do what I can to improve my own economy without destroying those around me.
 
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Perhaps I should have better qualified my statement. Those who argue that media is no longer needed. That streaming is the way to go, etc.

Nope. Just because they say media is no longer needed doesn't mean they oppose quality.

What does matter, is the price of one media and mechanical reliability and of course DRM. With optical disc You own the copy and it also has resale value.

The reliability of optical media varies heavily, they're like the opposite of a fine wine.

Also you don't own a copy of a piece of media to sell, you have a copy of the media with a license for private consumption which may or may not be transferrable.
 
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RE: SaaS...locking consumers into paying monthly service fees that are a source of guarenteed revenue to the business...

This is exactly what I want to avoid. I understand SaaS, and you can probably tell I do my best to physically own what I need or want, rather than pay a monthly fee to own electrons floating in cyberspace. I order the packaged media rather than download. However, where it makes sense to download, I will do it.

FWIW, same here. I'm not endorsing what they seem to be doing, but merely recognizing it for what it is, and from there, also trying to understand & discuss their likely motivations.

I realize that eventually (hopefully as far into the future as possible) streaming and paying for everything every time it's used will be the only option. Obviously, I don't like that scenario, but "the man" will win someday, and I'll have to choose to consume the media via payment, or go out and play in the real world to avoid that grind.

It is a form of death by a thousand slices, sure.

I still prefer movie theaters...

And real, printed books probably also. No DRM issues to prevent giving a good read to a good friend.

I understand that if I fly to a meeting at the headquarters for Dell in Austin, it would serve me well to bring a thumb drive with all the media they want. I might even bring a laptop to make some low-end changes after getting some feedback. Thing is, I haven't gone to any meetings with them at their place; they have met me here in my own state. Since then, I've uploaded revisions to YouTube for the approval process. Once finalized, they want a disc, because they are "sick and tired" (their words) of spending all day downloading files that large. They suffer through YouTube, because it allows playback prior to loading the whole file, but for whatever reason when they see it as getting a finished product, they see it as X hours wasted getting a file that they could have just grabbed from the mailman. I understand their needs, and I accommodate them by sending them a disc. It's about $30 to FedEx, but if I sent them a thumb drive, it would be $30 plus however much the thumb drive was... another $20? Could we reuse that drive? Sure, but the one time I sent them a thumb drive, it did not return to me. Are they going to mail it back? You must be crazy! :p Guess why I won't send them a whole HDD.

Figure $10 for 8GB, but it is still "Fair Enough" for that use case example to go with the Optical approach.

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None of this means you all can't enjoy your streaming. What I just don't understand is why some of you are clamoring to see discs die out. Why do they hurt you?

Their continued existence doesn't, which is why I've pointedly not been clamoring for them to die.

Unfortunately, some of the posters here carry a brush that's 20 miles wide and try to paint everything (and everyone) either Black or White..."us" versus the "Enemy". And both of these Political Parties take pot shots at Centrists!


I like that I can keep getting discs from Netflix for $10 a month, with no streaming. Why do you care that it's available? You can get your Macbook Air with SSD and no ODD drive, right? Why root for Apple to kill spinning media from the entire Earth? We all see Mike (Linux2Mac) post his ROFLcopters and LOLLERskates about how much better off he is with his projection screen media center, devoid of any physical media, implying that we're all the fools for not embracing the future and so on.

And along those lines, let's also not neglect to look at the other "fringe" too, particularly since there has just been YA instance of gratuitous snarkiness which prompted the poor moderators to have to intervene (AGAIN) to delete some more TOS civility violations.

Unfortunately, an attitude of "Live and Let Live" doesn't apply in this poisonous topic, since everyone seems to want to hoist himself out to the hairy edge of the lunatic fringe, apparently because they seemingly dare not to be anywhere close to being a level-headed Centrist or Moderate.

People look really cool when they get on those crystal stilts to be above us all on the cutting edge, but they often shatter when you take a step forward. Fortunately, it has nothing to do with me. I hope streaming succeeds just as much as I hope discs continue to succeed. People spending money is good for the world economy.

Yet eventually "steps forward" must and do have to occur, since otherwise, we would all still be using 1MHz Apple ][ computers.

The only question is where within Roger's Technology Adoption Lifecycle does a particular consumer decide to adopt (...bleeding edge, early/late mainstream, through laggard...)?

FWIW, perhaps a better way to approach this entire discussion is where we think that it is at on Roger's bell curve. For example, I think that going diskless is still at "Early Adopter" phase (not even "Early Majority") as of 2011, as it has proven itself to be effective within certain constraints and is being adopted there ...which is most predominantly within the local PAN/LAN. IMO, it isn't really yet at the WAN for high bandwidth applications (such as movies), due to inadequate ISP infrastructure (& rates).

Someday, although not really today ... for that use case.


I do what I can to improve my own economy without destroying those around me.

Same here.

So while I find it mildly frustrating that Apple's Macs don't have native BD support, it's also not the end of the world AFAIC. I don't need to worry about it for my primary livelihood ... which of course is an important distinction in my own prioritization of factors.

What I'm also personally uncertain of - - and for which no one here has a clear, definitive answer - - is what the total repercussions of BD on Mac might have for me in terms of the rest of the trade-offs. For example, I mentioned earlier that PC manufacturers aren't even willing to spend an extra ~$10/unit to have a PC assembly job here in the USA - - so why really then is it expected that Apple utterly has to pony up BD, when it is most certainly going to cost more than $10?

Sure, it is possible that there might be no cost to implement and utterly no other OS design compromises, but I'm pretty sure that it is statistically more likely that I'll be defecating 24 carat gold bullion bricks next week than for this all to have literally no downsides whatsoever.


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Shoot, there's plenty I am disappointed by lately, and Blu-ray playback in Macs is pretty unimportant in the big picture. I wish my government wasn't so partisan, yet served most of my life in government. I wish we had widespread rail transportation even though I really love cars.

You're right... Real books! I loved sharing a book with friends, but today/tomorrow, that's unethical/illegal?!? WTF?!?

Imagine if every word displayed on your device cost you one cent, and writing it down risked a lawsuit.
 
What part of global default/greatest depression news are you NOT listening to?
Currently I don't make ANY buying decisions without the imminent Greater Depression in mind!
Longevity, versatility and independence become key qualities.

Therefore I ordered a 11" Macbook Air instead of an iPad, and bought a Samsung drive instead of that proprietary Apple Superdrive. I don't care if it's uglier, but the Samsung drive is even lighter, costs half the price and works with every Mac or PC.

I'm also waiting for the USB-stick version of Lion.
I seriously doubt that the internet infrastructure to keep our iToys working during the Greater Depression will be there anymore.
At least not everywhere and certainly not fast and reliable enough.
 
Nope. Just because they say media is no longer needed doesn't mean they oppose quality.

You either haven't read this entire thread or others to make that statement. Many of the people who argue against physical media have expressed that streaming is just fine for them (quality wise).

But it's ok - you can keep thinking you're right...
 
Blue ray = meh.

The way that the internet is going, you will be streaming your blue ray sized content over the web within a couple of years.

Quite the opposite. ISPs are instituting bandwidth caps, they want to be able to throttle traffic based on type (in other words, slow down people downloading gigabytes of video).

Even AT&T is starting to throttle down the top 5% of bandwidth users on the "unlimited" data plan.

Then there's the fact that the game does not stay still. On the horizon is "red" 4K technology that's even higher resolution than today's 1080p which will require even greater bandwidth. Apple is preparing for this with upcoming 4k displays -- but meanwhile they still don't even support Blu-Ray.
 
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