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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon
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Pot, meet kettle. All kool-aid drinkers are those defending one side. Time for you to go to my **** list. Bye.
What a shame.
If apple put bluy ray drives into their products, the person who designed blue ray should take them to court. Apple likes to sue people for using their tech (HTC), because they make it, but they havent made blueray. IF YOU WANT A BLUE RAY USE A BLOODY PC, ITS NOT HARD
If apple put bluy ray drives into their products, the person who designed blue ray should take them to court. Apple likes to sue people for using their tech (HTC), because they make it, but they havent made blueray. IF YOU WANT A BLUE RAY USE A BLOODY PC, ITS NOT HARD
Oh, right... now Steve Jobs is out to protect us all! Please. His ONLY motivations for stifling Blu-ray are to protect the iTunes bottom line. Period.
No, because it's a device with a mediocre resolution 10 inch screen. This topic is about Blu-ray coming to the Mac, not the iPad.
Saying something is "ahead of its time" doesn't mean it's good for right now. I also think there isn't as much of a necessity for Blu-ray on a laptop as there is on a desktop machine. Blu-ray isn't even the "main source of content delivery" today, but that's due in part to people like Steve Jobs refusing to embrace it on any of Apple's machines. The adoption rate would be significantly higher if it had been built into every Mac for the last 2 years.
The rental market is different from the ownership market. I think having your content instantly accessible on a hard drive or server is just fine - for convenience sake. But I'd never trust my media to live there and only there. The people with 200 physical disc collections are the smart ones, because when your hard drive crashes, you have no way to re-rip and get your library back.
HDDs are the last place video professionals want to store the media they are not actively using. Data tape, video tape, film and optical media are all more preferred mediums for archival/long term storage than HDDs.
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The Kool-Aid drinkers are the ones telling others what they DON'T need because there exists an alternative (that is better in some circumstances and worse in others). It'd be like a bunch of us picketing for the removal of automobiles because bicycles can make sharper turns and are more accessible (I don't have to worry about keys and gas and ignition and all that nonsense, I just hop on and go!).
You wouldn't happen to be religious, would you?
+2, if only i could use the hdmi of the mac mini to hook up to that hop and go bike, then i'd never need optical media.
Jesus, so Jobs has got his own streaming service coming and he doesn't care about playing nice with anyone else.
You can say that, but the formats continually get better and are superior to any other option on the market in terms of quality. Keep farting, Sony... at least I have something with low compression and high resolution to watch in my living room - which is a hell of a lot more than I can say for iTunes or any other competing format.
Portable systems shed everything that's not crucial. 5 years ago, an optical drive was absolutely crucial and no one would have bought a netbook in its current form. So it is only logical to say that once you start putting the "unnecessary" tag on an interface or a component it will disappear soon.
How often do you really use your optical drive anymore and for what? How often do you see "normal" people use it? How many people really have a BluRay drive or even a burner? Nobody cares!
Data exchange? That's the domain of memory sticks.
Backup? External hard drives are much better and actually safer for handling the amount of data.
Audio + Video? CDs are dead, and only an insignificant minority watches movies on a computer.
Archving? Yeah, as if so many people do that. See Backup.
Optical drives are DEAD in computers. A few people will of course need them and not buy a computer without them, but their number will shrink very quickly.
Again, it is a total different story for home entertainment.
Oh, come on, now. That is such a red-herring argument that it is laughable.
I want my thousands of dollars worth of computer equipment to do things that are reasonable to expect it to do. Something that less expensive equipment from other competing manufacturers ALREADY do... but they don't use Mac OS.
It is not arrogance to want the OPTION to continue to use Mac OS, but also be able to use BluRay. That is prudence, for not wanting to have to spend hundreds more for a stationary-use single-purpose dedicated player, for something that a more advanced, more versatile device, such as a COMPUTER, should be able to do.
No product is perfect, but I am not asking for perfection. I am asking for reasonable versatility and not obvious and large dis-advantages, where there doesn't NEED to be disadvantages. EGO is the only thing blocking bluRay compatibility with Apple computers.
There is no technical reason that prevents it. If there were a technical reason that it would be IMPOSSIBLE, I could understand that. It isn't that they can't. It is that they WON'T.
I don't have a bluRay player. I don't even have a flat TV. But I would like to get one at some point. And I would like to get a Mac Mini to drive it, without having to buy another device that has to be switched in and out of the audio and video systems, but rather just natively accept a disc and play it.
this sort of proprietary bullcrap game-playing and incompatibility between part A and part B, and requiring part C instead... is exactly what has me un-interested in spending thousands of dollars on today's equipment, and what has me wishing that companies would gain some common sense, and put out some truly versatile equipment that would appeal enough to me, to get me to purchase it.
I don't adopt new tech just for new tech's sake. I adopt it when it presents a useful, and valuable, and compatible upgrade scheme, and I am confident that I will be pleased with the new standards, not dissappointed that the new standards all generate convoluted compatibility issues.
Blu-ray really just has the same problems as DVDs, that are more the fault of the producers than the format: several unskippable FBI warnings, a bunch of often unskippable trailers, then a menu with animations that take waaaaay too long to complete. The one thing that is worse with Blu-ray however is loading times. If I want to play a video streamed from my Mac with PS3 Media Server, I turn on the PS3 and navigate to the folder, press play and I'm watching it instantly. Very quick. It's equally quick to insert a Blu-ray and press play... but then I wait several minutes for it to load, and THEN have to watch all the unskippable crap.
Blu-ray can definitely have a very, very nice picture. You DO need to have a 50"+ 1080p TV that you're sitting within 6 ft of to fully enjoy it. Upscaled DVDs still look VERY GOOD in these circumstances. It is true that prices are falling and you can pretty easily find Blu-ray movies for DVD prices now. But if you don't have nice hardware to play it on, I can easily see many people not finding enough of a difference to make it worth it.
Now, I don't think iTunes is currently a good solution either. The DRM has to go, or be supported by many devices and we know Apple's not going to license FairPlay. As long as people can't do what they want with their files, the best solution will be to pirate or rip.
Streaming services ARE going to be where it's at, I think. HD movies and shows from Netflix look better than HD cable. Not as good as Blu-ray of course... if there's a movie I really want to enjoy, I'll rent it from Netflix (or buy it online if it's something I know I'll want to watch again*). But almost anything else is really nice to just stream.
But, I don't agree with Jobs either. Blu-ray may not be the most compelling format but it IS going to be around for a while and it seems silly to not at least support it.
*I only own two things on Blu-ray so far, Life (with David Attenborough) and Star Trek... maybe the LOTR Extended Edition if they ever get around to releasing it.
I don't doubt that 1080p streaming (though at what bitrate remains to be seen) will be a reality "someday," but the point is, with Blu-ray I have pristine quality 1080p in my home TODAY. Why do I care about any other option at this point when what I already have works and provides me better quality?
I have never heard of a large facility using BluRay as an archive format.
Most places I know of keep live project on Raid arrays and archive onto tapes. Smaller places archive on Firewire drives etc.
But that said 3rd party BluRay drives *are* available as an archive format on Macs.
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Wrong, they keep there work on raid servers when they are ACTIVELY using them.
Once they need to be archived they go on physical media, housing places are now SLOWLY converting over to Blu-ray storage to consolidate and reduice space.
You're 100% right.
BluRay + HD is an enthusiast toy and most people just don't give enough **** to spend a lot of $$$ on it. Flat screen TVs became a success not because of HD but because they allow huge screens without weighing half a ton and because they look great (ask a woman). Most people I know with flatscreen TVs don't even own a BluRay player and their cable package is not HD either. Yet they still enjoy their TV shows and movies because they care more for the actual content and not the resolution or the last bit of sound quality.
What most people forget: Apple and SJ don't give a rat's ass about some enthusiast niche that loves to count pixels and hears a difference between cheap ass cables and golden super-expensive voodoo crap. They look at the mass market and they see that most people were extremely fine with accepting a less-than-CD-quality audio format because it's so much more convenient and GOOD ENOUGH. Same will happen for movies. No one but a few loud pixel counters cares about 1080p, 3D, THX and all that stuff.
I don't get all the rage. It's not that Apple will make BluRay disappear and take away their toys. They just won't support it, get over it. You have PLENTY of other companies that cater to your needs.
No, you don't. Do I have to repost that graph from a few pages back ? 5-8 feet away, a 40" TV will have a very noticeable difference in quality between 480p, 720p and 1080p.
The hardware is cheap also. 100$.
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