Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[jjahshik32]

You're cheep. Many people had no problem paying this durring the hayday of DVD. 100's of millions of people were okay with paying $15-$20ish dollars for a DVD.

Basically the "free/cheep" disease has started to spread like wildfire. Everyone things they're owed these films by studios. Like they don't need to pay for it. Same thing happened at the beginning of the decade with music.

I remember the days of DVD. I remember my cousin paying $2000 for the very first DVD player that was released (and then 1 year later I bought one for $300) lol.

I might be cheap but imo, I would much rather just go to the movie theatre to watch the movie instead of buying it for 2x the cost just because its a bluray. I know you can watch it again but then most movies these days arnt as good enough to be rewatchable anyway (I'm not saying that all movies doesnt have a rewatchable value). I would buy a bluray movie that is my absolute favorite but its pretty rare imo these days.

 

[JediZenMaster]

Also, AT&T's unlimited plan was never unlimited. It was 5 GB. However, without tethering and with downloads limited to 20MB over 3G, it was basically unlimited.

WRONG. I've exceeded 5GB's a few times without tethering on unlimited data and never got throttled or notified by AT&T. There was never a cap at all. That's a myth.

 

[waywardsage]

Are you really so lazy that you can't take all of 5 seconds to use Google and find yourself an answer?

http://formatwarcentral.com/2009/10/05/blu-ray-adoption-ahead-dvd/

There are MANY articles stating this. Year per year, Blu ray has a much faster adoption rate than DVD.

I don't know about anyone else, but the last time i stepped into Best Buy, their Blu ray section has grown to almost half the size of the DVD one. And it's getting bigger every year. I estimate a 50/50 split by the holiday season.

 

[jjahshik32]

The different between 720P to 1080P is smaller than the difference between 480P and 720P.

But, yes. He must be blind. 1080P Blu ray destroys ANY type of down loadable file.

Dont get me wrong, 1080P looks heavenly on my big screens and especially my projector (I hardly ever use 720p and cancelled netflix) so I use my PS3 or MKV files combos of watching high definition content. But my argument is that when your at a hotel, you dont really need a 1080p movie to be watched on a 17" display while laying down on the bed at a hotel with the macbook pro on your stomach. The 720p is more than good enough on such a small display.

I wont be like omg less pixels are showing! I absolutely CANNOT WATCH THIS MOVIE because its not 1080p on my 17" macbook pro!

I've owned the 17" hi resolution macbook pro antiglare model just 2 months ago (i7 2.66GHz model) but I ended up selling it to buy the projector. So I've done tests before and not too big of a deal. I do see the difference but I suppose its not a deal break for me on such a small display (which isnt a full theatre system and wasnt really meant to be watched that way anyway).

 

[Reddkryten]

He said that he has a PS3 to use at home on his big screen hdtv, but on the go at a hotel or something he wants to watch something when he's bored, so a dvd should be more than enough imo.

Better yet, I suggested to subscribe to netflix where he can stream instant 720p content to his mac for $8.99 a month unlimited contents which is much cheaper and pretty much the same thing as popping in a bluray in terms of video quality on such a small screen, whether its 1680x1050 or 1920x1200.

Now were comparing cutting off a leg as to watching a dvd or bluray, jeez some people make some stupid analogies. I'm just glad its not a car related one though, those are so over used.

Yep he has a PS3 at home and a Mac for on the road....but what happens if he wants to watch the same film. Should he buy two copies? I only own one copy of A Single Man, on Blu-Ray. If I want to watch that on a Macbook, should I go out and spend more money on a lower quality version I don't really need?

Netflix streaming also has a problem, bandwidth and availability. I've stayed in hotels with horrible/nonexistant wifi.

Admittedly my analogy is overly dramatic, how about this you can have an engine without a car, or a car without an engine? That more appropriate?

 

[jjahshik32]

Yep he has a PS3 at home and a Mac for on the road....but what happens if he wants to watch the same film. Should he buy two copies? I only own one copy of A Single Man, on Blu-Ray. If I want to watch that on a Macbook, should I go out and spend more money on a lower quality version I don't really need?

Netflix streaming also has a problem, bandwidth and availability. I've stayed in hotels with horrible/nonexistant wifi.

Admittedly my analogy is overly dramatic, how about this you can have an engine without a car, or a car without an engine? That more appropriate?

Well if you already bought the copy and watched the movie at home, why would you want to watch the same movie again on the road! I'd much rather watch something new.

And like I mentioned already you can watch netflix 720p and stream it at the hotel (free wifi).

There are subtle differences (1080p does look a bit smoother and better) on even a 17" or 15" screen as to 720p BUT I think its not too big of a difference to be a deal breaker. I totally understand though when your watching a big screen that 1080p is a must (I dont want it any other way) but then you get the whole better experience with the theatre atmosphere and sound as well. But on a portable, who cares.

 

[waywardsage]

I remember the days of DVD. I remember my cousin paying $2000 for the very first DVD player that was released (and then 1 year later I bought one for $300) lol.

I might be cheap but imo, I would much rather just go to the movie theatre to watch the movie instead of buying it for 2x the cost just because its a bluray. I know you can watch it again but then most movies these days arnt as good enough to be rewatchable anyway (I'm not saying that all movies doesnt have a rewatchable value). I would buy a bluray movie that is my absolute favorite but its pretty rare imo these days.

For those of us who are just one person, or one person and a significant other watching a film this isn't that big of a difference. Add a couple of kids into the mix and a few sodas and popcorn and it'll reach the better part of a $100 bill. There's where blu ray looks like a bargin!!

 

[Speedy2]

http://hd.engadget.com/2009/01/06/bl...outpaces-dvds/

sorry that link doesn't work

 

[jjahshik32]

For those of us who are just one person, or one person and a significant other watching a film this isn't that big of a difference. Add a couple of kids into the mix and a few sodas and popcorn and it'll reach the better part of a $100 bill. There's where blu ray looks like a bargin!!

Not when its a HD 3D movie at the theatre.

 

[waywardsage]

Yep he has a PS3 at home and a Mac for on the road....but what happens if he wants to watch the same film. Should he buy two copies? I only own one copy of A Single Man, on Blu-Ray. If I want to watch that on a Macbook, should I go out and spend more money on a lower quality version I don't really need?

Netflix streaming also has a problem, bandwidth and availability. I've stayed in hotels with horrible/nonexistant wifi.

Admittedly my analogy is overly dramatic, how about this you can have an engine without a car, or a car without an engine? That more appropriate?

Thank you. I thought I was the only one here who was getting this. I can't believe people don't get this. Am i supposed to buy two copies of a film?

Also, I have a friend who's a home theatre nut. He REFUSES to buy DVD. It's dead to him he says. (I'm not that extreme. I like a lot of Japanese films, which are only available on DVD for now) but what is he suppose to do if he wants to watch his blu's on the go? Buy a DVD? buy a download? that sucks!

Also, i just wish the Blu/DVD/Download combo gets universally accepted. But think about this: THAT can't be universally adopted. And you think that you can get ALL OF THE STUDIOS to adopt one download/streaming format?! They're all in competition with each other and borderline hate cooperating with each other.

 

[potaco]

Well if you already bought the copy and watched the movie at home, why would you want to watch the same movie again on the road! I'd much rather watch something new.

And like I mentioned already you can watch netflix 720p and stream it at the hotel (free wifi).

There are subtle differences (1080p does look a bit smoother and better) on even a 17" or 15" screen as to 720p BUT I think its not too big of a difference to be a deal breaker. I totally understand though when your watching a big screen that 1080p is a must (I dont want it any other way) but then you get the whole better experience with the theatre atmosphere and sound as well. But on a portable, who cares.

Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean it shouldn't be a viable option for everyone else.

 

[OrangeSVTguy]

Well if you already bought the copy and watched the movie at home, why would you want to watch the same movie again on the road! I'd much rather watch something new.

Because some people like to watch a favorite movie more than once. Just because you've seen it doesn't mean you should never watch it again. Then what's the point in taking pictures or recording videos? You already lived that moment in time. Why go back to it?

 

[Speedy2]

I have to say that, in general, I'm saddened by the logic and reasoning of many people who have posted in this thread. Several people have stated that the majority of people don't care, want, need 1080p resolution and HD Audio; therefore, the minority just has to deal with it.

What utter nonsense. NOBODY said that the minority should have to "deal with it". We simply DON'T CARE. You can go out and buy expensive HD stuff as much as you want. You have PLENTY of choice, and we don't mind at all. No one says Apple NEEDS to keep BluRay away from the Macs, we are simply not bothered (and some call it a smart move, but that's the worst you get).

No one wants to take away your beloved toy!

 

[jjahshik32]

Just because you wouldn't do it doesn't mean it shouldn't be a viable option for everyone else.

I could say the same thing as, just because you(consumer or individual) think that bluray is a must on the mac is a better idea. Perhaps Steve made the best move for Apple's interest and revenue so that they can grow as a better company in the future.

 

[Speedy2]

No optical drive at all on MBPs would be the final push to Linux.

Lol, yeah right ....

 

[LethalWolfe]

With Ultra HD coming out there will be higher resolutions which is pointless because the human eye can only see so much. Maybe we will have bionic enhanced at that point

Ultra HD will not be hitting a store near you anytime soon. HD, for example, first had working prototypes back in the late '70's and 30 some odd years later, in the US, we have about 50% of homes w/at least one HDTV set and out of those not even all of them are watching HD programming on it.


Lethal

 

[potaco]

What utter nonsense. NOBODY said that the minority should have to "deal with it". We simply DON'T CARE. You can go out and buy expensive HD stuff as much as you want. You have PLENTY of choice, and we don't mind at all. No one says Apple NEEDS to keep BluRay away from the Macs, we are simply not bothered (and some call it a smart move, but that's the worst you get).

No one wants to take away your beloved toy!

If all of "you" didn't care one way or another, there wouldn't be 40+ pages of arguing about whether it should be offered as an option.

 

[potaco]

I could say the same thing as, just because you(consumer or individual) think that bluray is a must on the mac is a better idea. Perhaps Steve made the best move for Apple's interest and revenue so that they can grow as a better company in the future.

The difference is... I don't care if it's included; I think it should be offered as an option. You're telling us that since you don't need it, neither do we.

 

[Reddkryten]

Well if you already bought the copy and watched the movie at home, why would you want to watch the same movie again on the road! I'd much rather watch something new.

And like I mentioned already you can watch netflix 720p and stream it at the hotel (free wifi).

I also mentioned hotels without decent wifi , believe me I've encountered them.

But you're first line strikes at the heart of the problem "if you already bought the copy and watched the movie at home, why would you want to watch the same movie again on the road! I'd much rather watch something new."

At this point, you/Steve Jobs are trying to tell me what to watch? That's not your decision to make. I might decide to watch something new, or I might decide I want to watch the same thing over again (what child hasn't watched the same film over and over and over and over, driving their parents insane?) but ultimately what I watch is my decision.

I don't like Avatar, I thought the film was boring and had one dimensional characters, I will not watch that film again and will never buy it. However I have a friend who loved it, I'm not going to tell her to stop watching it, that is her decision.

The problem is choice. That's why a few posts back I said "Why should he have to" to the idea of buying a second copy on DVD.

Apple is a hardware company who I purchase products from, that is all. They do not have the right to dictate how many times I can watch a certain film, weather I watch the film once, twice or a thousand times, it is my decision.

 

[Speedy2]

+1. The people that are "against" Blu-ray are simply "cheap," uneducated or unwilling/stubborn.

I'd rather call people uneducated who fall for the corporate "1080p is absolutely necessary and you can't live without HD Audio" crap. Some people just don't care, you need to accept that or you are the stubborn one here.

 

[waywardsage]

If all of "you" didn't care one way or another, there wouldn't be 40+ pages of arguing about whether it should be offered as an option.

Bingo.

Sweet J#$%S Steve! Just give us a blu ray OPTION! You don't have to make it standard. The option and upgrade the DVD player in OSX to play licensed Blu content!

 

[gkarris]

There are MANY articles stating this. Year per year, Blu ray has a much faster adoption rate than DVD.

I don't know about anyone else, but the last time i stepped into Best Buy, their Blu ray section has grown to almost half the size of the DVD one. And it's getting bigger every year. I estimate a 50/50 split by the holiday season.

Part of it is technology - it was much, much faster for BR players to hit the $99 mark than DVD players, or VHS machines for that matter.

Also, there was already the technology for creating DVD's, and the newer BR was a mere extension, so gearing up for that didn't take much time.

 

[jjahshik32]

What utter nonsense. NOBODY said that the minority should have to "deal with it". We simply DON'T CARE. You can go out and buy expensive HD stuff as much as you want. You have PLENTY of choice, and we don't mind at all. No one says Apple NEEDS to keep BluRay away from the Macs, we are simply not bothered (and some call it a smart move, but that's the worst you get).

No one wants to take away your beloved toy!

Yea I agree, its not like there are no other choices out there.

I just think people's mentality is more on the line of, "oh other PC's got bluray" so I should have the shiny as well!

Its more of I got it in my machine too and its there, so its good.

I know we had the debate about being out and about and watching a bluray movie is all fine and dandy but honestly I would think that bluray would be more important in a more theatre atmosphere where its really needed as to a small portable machine that can get you just as satisfied with a 720p content.

 

[Speedy2]

Again, 1080p stream != 1080p blu-ray. Resolution doesn't mean much - it's all about quality (bitrate, lossless audio, etc). Sure resolution plays a part, but the true superiority of blu-ray is the encode/audio quality.

Most people don't care about that one bit.
You can still buy your BluRays. Don't worry.

 

[jjahshik32]

I also mentioned hotels without decent wifi , believe me I've encountered them.

But you're first line strikes at the heart of the problem "if you already bought the copy and watched the movie at home, why would you want to watch the same movie again on the road! I'd much rather watch something new."

At this point, you/Steve Jobs are trying to tell me what to watch? That's not your decision to make. I might decide to watch something new, or I might decide I want to watch the same thing over again (what child hasn't watched the same film over and over and over and over, driving their parents insane?) but ultimately what I watch is my decision.

I don't like Avatar, I thought the film was boring and had one dimensional characters, I will not watch that film again and will never buy it. However I have a friend who loved it, I'm not going to tell her to stop watching it, that is her decision.

The problem is choice. That's why a few posts back I said "Why should he have to" to the idea of buying a second copy on DVD.

Apple is a hardware company who I purchase products from, that is all. They do not have the right to dictate how many times I can watch a certain film, weather I watch the film once, twice or a thousand times, it is my decision.

If you really want to get down to it all and the big picture, they are not dictating anything, they are simply making choices for their company due to revenues.

I know there are two sides of this debate (non of which are wrong imho), I'm in the I dont care crowd and you and others are in the I want bluray options to be available crowd, but I do not think that neither is wrong or right. But the main argument is why Steve chose this option and clearly its working for Apple.