Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[xbjllb]

Somebody needs to get laid... desperately.

Nice try. A mere ten minutes before I hit the desk, fired up my e-mail, and started all these responses from all the Job's worshipping dreck like yourself on here. And not in my dreams, either.

Maybe your suggestion applies more aptly to Jobs, instead of watching and cursing porn on Blu-ray.

Could THAT be it after all? The man's become a moral crusader in his last days?

As IF.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Nice try. A mere ten minutes before I hit the desk, fired up my e-mail, and started all these responses from all the Job's worshipping dreck like yourself on here. And not in my dreams, either.

Maybe your suggestion applies more aptly to Jobs, instead of watching and cursing porn on Blu-ray.

Could THAT be it after all? The man's become a moral crusader in his last days?

As IF.

WRONG, try again.

You derailed at "Nice try"...

 

[xbjllb]

WRONG, try again.

You derailed at "Nice try"...

Wrong. You derailed at... conception.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Wrong. You derailed at... conception.

Your attempt at wit is rather amusing.

Trying to use the opposition's initial remark as a comeback is rather sad.

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You also couldn't be further from the mark.

 

[xbjllb]

Your attempt at wit is rather amusing.

I know, thanks.

However, trying to use the opposition's idea as a comeback is rather sad.

On the contrary, when someone posts something that takes no thought whatsoever and refuses to deal with even a single quite valid point made, it is quite appropriate and even dutiful to respond in kind.

However, I shall endeavor to refrain in the future because filling up a forum with much cheap back and forth claptrap after a decimating post has been made has been a tactic of obfuscating Truth with "flak" for years.

P.S. You also couldn't be farther from the mark.

That is your opinion, and my accuracy remains to be seen. Soon enough.

 

[xbjllb]

Somebody needs to get laid... desperately.

Oh my, I am so sorry, I completely misunderstood your post.

No thank you, MD. I mean, you're attractive and all, but I'm currently with someone, and just recently... I hope you understand.

 

[henk53]

I still think it's a shame blu isn't coming to the Mac.

All this talk about downloads... consider that a typical blu-ray holds about 30~35GB for the main feature and completely fills the 50GB when taking the extras into account. Now consider TV shows coming on 4 or 6 blu-rays, or box sets coming on some 20 blu-rays.

That's a whopping 300GB ~ 1TB you need to download and store locally. With the current bandwidth and local storage sizes this is not really practical. I'm typically watching some 4 to 5 shows, next to a bunch of movies.

Even if my provider did allow me to download that much, I would have to resort to labeling and swapping HDDs pretty soon at this rate.

Now what I've seen with many people is that they either swap out discs (DVDs, CDs) or have a central library with all their content (iTunes, mp3). Labeling and swapping HDDs is something the average person is NOT going to do.

Without a doubt, HDDs will reach the hundreds of TB storage capacity within the next decade, so eventually blu ray may be replaced by online downloads and local storage. But guess what, I don't want to wait 10 years really, when I can watch blu-rays NOW!

Would you hold-off on CDs in 1990 because some wise ass kid claimed that in 2000 CDs would be obsolete and everyone would have their media libraries with all their music? That would be rather silly, wouldn't it?

I'm also not buying into this *sufficient* quality argument for 720P. It's true that there are diminishing returns beyond a certain point, but 720P is definitely not the sweet spot yet. We're watching Desperate Housewives in 720P (download) and typically right after that Mad Men in 1080P (Blu-ray). The difference is night and day. Even the wife, who typically "doesn't-care-for-quality-since-that's-for-geeks-and-the-story-is-what-matters'', notices the huge difference. Heck, even my mom who still thinks her 80-ties CRT telly is 'just fine' noticed the difference and said blu-ray was definitely less fuzzy and better looking.

 

[xbjllb]

I still think it's a shame blu isn't coming to the Mac.

All valid points. No one can argue the superiority of Blu-ray, or that it will be around for at least a decade, or even the absolute need of a great deal of Apple's pro base for the technology, LAST year and the year before.

The point is, Steve Jobs has a nutty problem with it. So no matter how many of his customers scream, no matter how many leave the platform because of his dereliction of his pro base, he's in charge, and is just not going to deal with reality. While praying his iKiddies don't go somewhere else for cheaper more fully featured iCrap down the line and disappear shortly after the flagship base.

Stupid corporate strategy dependent on a very short term blackline bubble, but then I'm not a "visionary" who made billions destroying industries and ripping off true innovative devices, and foisting their cheap but highly overpriced imitations off on a hands-out media and clueless public with little memory before 2001.

No one in the world but "that one" could come out with a straight face and say the future was "no flash, no Blu-ray, SINGLE tasking, all mobile and no desktops" and have idiots lined up to back his insanity up.

Who needs to inject them with Jobs' iBrain chip? They're already cult victims.

 

[-hh]

IMO, when Apple finally takes TV from 'hobby' to 'full speed ahead' status they don't want a competing product like Blu-ray sitting in their machines. It's not about how lukewarm video on the iTMS is today it's about how hot Apple thinks it can make it tomorrow. Jobs wants to be in control and he wants everyone in Apple's walled garden.

Apple, MS, and Sony are all jockeying for position to be the digital hubs in people's living rooms and while MS and Sony are in the lead now Apple's MO has been to hang back and deliver a better product after learning from the mistakes of the trailblazers.

An interesting statement; thanks. Based on this insight, what do we think is then the real underlying reason for why Apple hasn't figuratively 'broken through' (ala iPod business model)? Specifically, is it really the license issue, or is it something else, such as the bandwidth (speeds & caps) for content delivery? Personally, I suspect that the former is a smokescreen for the latter.

Huh? The link does not work?

Yes, the link is broken, but it also works. Its only valid as a forwarded address. Not to worry though: all it consists of is xbjllb referencing to all of his own prior posts, which is counterproductive if not literally rude.

Can you explain in words, how a copy-protected, compressed, slow, optical disk format can help in the the production of professional video?

It doesn't, until you're down to a tiny one-man operation who not only creates the original work, but also then puts it in its DRM wrapper and all of the rest of what's effectively the post-production steps for distribution.

DELIVERY, Child. D - E - L - I - V - E - R - Y. Like it or not, this is still how business works in the real world.

Yes, it is part of the overall business ... but is the action of delivery (in quantity, as you point out) also the job of the content creator, or someone else in the Enterprise?

Ever heard of delegation?

Many people, organizations, and corporations have to DELIVER small quantities (5-1000) of their work that customers and potential clients DEMAND to view in their 50-65" plasmas in their fancy offices and homes and home theaters, long before the public slaps down money at Fry's for "Hot Tub".

At the elite & corporate level, the conventional levels of bandwidth that one finds in today's homes does not apply.

...I don't have any idea what you idiot gameboy brats...

Namecalling is a TOS violation at MR.

That is your opinion, and my accuracy remains to be seen. Soon enough.

Which is a two-way street.

My lawyers will talk for me from now on as far as you're concerned...

Unless explicitly mentioned, readers won't notice that this last quote is chronologically out of sequence, which also means its implications.


-hh

 

[MorphingDragon]

On the contrary, when someone posts something that takes no thought whatsoever and refuses to deal with even a single quite valid point made, it is quite appropriate and even dutiful to respond in kind.

However, I shall endeavor to refrain in the future because filling up a forum with much cheap back and forth claptrap after a decimating post has been made has been a tactic of obfuscating Truth with "flak" for years.

Practice what you preach dude, practice what you preach.

You know, the iPhone didn't ruin these forums for a lot of "sensible posters", the aftermath did.
The wave of pointless trolls *Ahem* that just HAVE to "fix" people's opinion. How they must constantly remind us of how Mac OSX is the devils spawn and made of tripe on a bike. How android will make us coffee and that the iPhone will steal our babies. That windows is superior and every way and will make you well endowed the second you touch the install disc. That everyone here wants to have SJ's babies.

Whatever happened to the art of trolling? Now its just ego driven tripe for a power high.

Oh my, I am so sorry, I completely misunderstood your post.

No thank you, MD. I mean, you're attractive and all, but I'm currently with someone, and just recently... I hope you understand.

Inter-cultural Communication fail and regular WTF?

 

[Ironworker808]

All I'm saying is, some of us might need a nap.

 

[h0mi]

I hope Blu-ray fails. Sony has no more cards to play. Game over!

Why?

What good would it do for consumers for blu-ray to fail?

 

[xbjllb]

How they must constantly remind us of how Mac OSX is the devils spawn and made of tripe on a bike. How android will make us coffee and that the iPhone will steal our babies. That windows is superior and every way and will make you well endowed the second you touch the install disc. That everyone here wants to have SJ's babies.

Please throw out the straw man after you're done knocking him down. I came here not to murder the Empire, but to save it from Nero. If that can only be achieved by class action lawsuit, so be it.

In English, since you're woefully dense at simple comprehension: I'm not "they", nor have I ever been.

 

[KnightWRX]

In English, since you're woefully dense at simple comprehension: I'm not "they", nor have I ever been.

The only they here are the people who can't accept that Apple might be wrong.

All other posters I've seen accused of "hating on apple" are mostly balanced individuals you can get objective perspectives about what Steve says.

 

[Carniphage]

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DELIVERY, Child. D - E - L - I - V - E - R - Y. Like it or not, this is still how business works in the real world.

Many people, organizations, and corporations have to DELIVER small quantities (5-1000) of their work that customers and potential clients DEMAND to view in their 50-65" plasmas in their fancy offices and homes and home theaters, long before the public slaps down money at Fry's for "Hot Tub".

So we get down to it. Wedding photographers, and their ilk, who like to consider themselves "professionals" have clients who are not embarrassed to accept content delivered on BluRay.

Great!

Fine!

Buy a BluRay burner, install it in your MacPro and quit the whining. Despite the ranting, this gear is available.

C.

 

[KnightWRX]

So we get down to it. Wedding photographers, and their ilk, who like to consider themselves "professionals" have clients who are not embarrassed to accept content delivered on BluRay.

What is embarassing about accepting your wedding video on Blu-ray instead of VHS or DVD ?

I'd rather not have my professional photographer put it up on Youtube for all to see. Seriously, I don't even have a facebook account, the last thing I want is my life displayed on the Internet.

And why did you quote profesionnals ? Photography can be a profession, especially when you charge money for services rendered.

Physical media is here to stay, at least for another decade or two. You might not like it, but call us once Music downloads outrank CD sales. Then we'll start to talk about movies, which don't even register on the radar yet. 2 months of Blu-ray sales outpaces 1 year of Internet downloads. How's that for a dead platform ?

 

[Carniphage]

Arguable? Yep. But they obviously think it was worth it. The fact Blu-ray is continually growing is a pretty good testament, no?

They thought MiniDisc was worth it. They thought BetaMax was worth it.
Basically Sony has backed a ton of formats. About half of them have succeeded (made money for Sony) and half of them have failed (lost money for Sony).

I would argue strongly that the linking of BluRay to PS3 was one of the reasons that PS3 failed in the market. And although Sony "won" the HD optical disk battle, the outcome was a weaker Sony.

I am not anti-Sony. But I wish Sony would innovate by creating genuinely good new products, rather than by once again, trying to create a great new hardware format, and then profit by licensing it.

The format trick started with Pianola Rolls, and will end with Blu Ray.

Nothing will come after this.

C.

 

[KnightWRX]

They thought MiniDisc was worth it. They thought BetaMax was worth it.

Both were widely successful. BetaMax found its nice as BetaCam in the profesional industry. MiniDisc succeeded very well outside of North America. You have US/Consumer blinders on.

I am not anti-Sony. But I wish Sony would innovate by creating genuinely good new products, rather than by once again, trying to create a great new hardware format, and then profit by licensing it.

Uh ? That is innovation. Things like the 3 1/2 floppy, CDs, DVDs, Blu-Ray and tons of others are things that Sony innovated and brought to market.

It's the same as everything else. USB, Firewire, RS-232, all those things didn't come out of thin air. Some company invents it, markets it, standardised it, and gives it to some consortium for licensing. It then becomes an open standard around which others build products.

Sony is one of the real innovators and as such, it's hit and miss. That's how it is when you invent stuff. Some sticks, some falls off.

You're not even making any sense anymore.

Sony weak because of the PS3 ? Console hardware has been a loss leader since the industry started. The PS3 is not some magical first console to be sold at a loss. The money is in the games. The Gillette model of marketing. And last I checked, the PS3 is a small part of what Sony does. Maybe you're talking about SCEA ?

 

[shortys408]

bluray will be out before it is in.

 

[Carniphage]

What is embarassing about accepting your wedding video on Blu-ray instead of VHS or DVD ?

Because being a wedding videographer, is a little different from the notion of high-end video professional that you originally appeared to be discussing.

The high-end film and TV industry, shooing on Red or whatever.... or even - the Pro-Am market shooting on DSLRs are more than happy to use Apple kit as the basis of their workflow.

They use Macs for everything. Your only beef is sending disks to non-professionals who are not unhappy go receive content on BluRay.

You are right, there is nothing wrong with that.

Let's recap....

So you can capture on a Mac.
You can edit on a Mac
You can color correct on a Mac
You can soundmix on a Mac

and you can BURN A FRIGGIN BluRay on a Mac!

The only thing you can not do on Mac OS X is watch Hot Tub Time Machine. You'd need to watch that in Fusion or whatver.

So I am confused by your repeated assertion that this deficiency is somehow a major problem.

Not just a major problem, but one so incredibly significant, that an ARMY OF LAWERS are happy to join your quest to sue the pants of Apple for failing to support playback from Sony's latest video consumer distribution technology.

Confused. I am.

C.

 

[kyleh613]

I take my blu-ray movie and rip them into a format that MAC OS X will read and throw them onto the 17" Macbook Pro when I travel. Problem solved. I get the same quality as blu-ray, without having to carry a bunch of blu-ray discs around that might end up stolen.

When I am at home I just watch blu-ray movies on my 60" HDTV with the playstation 3.

Macs dont need a built in blu-ray drive. If you have blu-rays, just rip them onto your Mac hard drive and have it saved in a digital format. Problem solved.

 

[KnightWRX]

Because being a wedding videographer, is a little different from the notion of high-end video professional that you originally appeared to be discussing.

The high-end film and TV industry, shooing on Red or whatever.... or even - the Pro-Am market shooting on DSLRs are more than happy to use Apple kit as the basis of their workflow.

They use Macs for everything. Your only beef is sending disks to non-professionals who are not unhappy go receive content on BluRay.

First, I never discussed weddings. Your comments attracted other profesionals that did and rebutted your claims that Blu-ray wasn't a player in the profesionnal segment.

You even had big production movie players tell you you were wrong.

And again, those same profesionnals here are telling you that while they have been happy using Mac kits, they are starting more and more to look at alternatives because of Apple's way of doing business.

So please, stop pretending you were right all along, you've been proven wrong countless times in this very thread. The fact that it was 20 pages ago doesn't mean people have forgotten.

Macs dont need a built in blu-ray drive. If you have blu-rays, just rip them onto your Mac hard drive and have it saved in a digital format. Problem solved.

My Mac hard drive is not big enough to rip all my blu-ray discs without sacrificing quality.

 

[kyleh613]

My Mac hard drive is not big enough to rip all my blu-ray discs without sacrificing quality.

All of my 1080p movies are around 8 - 10gb. There is literally almost no difference. The quality loss is minimal and this is coming from someone who has a huge blu-ray collection and takes picture quality pretty seriously. If the film doesnt look like how the director originally wanted it to look when it was shown in theaters, I literally get pretty so trust me, compressing it down to a manageable size is pretty easy and still looks great.

Unless your hard drive is like 160gb or something, then I can sympathize with you. Not much you can do about that sadly.

 

[KnightWRX]

All of my 1080p movies are around 8 - 10gb. There is literally almost no difference. The quality loss is minimal and this is coming from someone who has a huge blu-ray collection and takes picture quality pretty seriously. If the film doesnt look like how the director originally wanted it to look when it was shown in theaters, I literally get pretty so trust me, compressing it down to a manageable size is pretty easy and still looks great.

Unless your hard drive is like 160gb or something, then I can sympathize with you. Not much you can do about that sadly.

8-10 gb, you've sacrificed quality, even you admit to that. Look at audio now, what codec did you transcode the lossless audio feed to ? AAC ? MP3 ? So you do sacrifice quality by ripping, unless you simply extract the video and audio to repack to a OS X supported container format. Then you'd end up with a file as big as the Blu-ray disc.

You also lose extras.

So basically, this is a stop-gap measure until Apple gives its consumers choice. Why should it be the consumer that sacrifices quality because Apple refuses to implement something the rest of the industry has ? Lazy bums. If they keep on going the way they are going, it will truely be the end of the Mac, and that will be a sad day to all of us Mac users.

 

[kyleh613]

8-10 gb, you've sacrificed quality, even you admit to that. Look at audio now, what codec did you transcode the lossless audio feed to ? AAC ? MP3 ? So you do sacrifice quality by ripping, unless you simply extract the video and audio to repack to a OS X supported container format. Then you'd end up with a file as big as the Blu-ray disc.

You also lose extras.

So basically, this is a stop-gap measure until Apple gives its consumers choice. Why should it be the consumer that sacrifices quality because Apple refuses to implement something the rest of the industry has ? Lazy bums. If they keep on going the way they are going, it will truely be the end of the Mac, and that will be a sad day to all of us Mac users.

Its okay to sacrifice audio, because i mean you are only going to be listening to it on headphones. Its not like you need surround sound or anything. The quality loss is minimal, lets just put it at that.

I dont feel like its a stop-gap at all. I still get the movie, the picture quality loss is virtually non-existent, even to someone like me who nit picks like crazy.

Usually I just rip it into MKV and play it on VideoLAN which plays that format perfectly.

You just have unrealistic expectations.

Blu-ray was never even intended for computers either. It was the format that movie enthusiasts like myself have been wanting for years, to bring the theater experience into our home. Blu-ray is meant to be watched on a big screen t.v. You should be happy to even be able to put your blu-ray discs onto your computer to begin with. Most people don't even need to buy blu-rays because they aren't able to tell the difference in quality between that and DVD. Blu-ray is really for people who love movies.