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Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

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Carniphage said:
The Colossus Mark 1 was the first computer to be both programmable and have conditional branches. The previous machines you mention were not computers by any modern definition.

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If you want to play that game, ENIAC was the first to be turing complete and that is US based. Turing complete is important to modern computing.

Z3 was in fact programmable and had conditional branches, it was just electromechanical.

I think it's safe to say pretty much everyone at the time was working on it and no one was really first to be there. It's something that will always remain a biased debate.
 
macdrew said:
Nah, Walmart treats their employees extremely well, so you are clearly uniformed. No, they are looking to find the cheapest options to sell at the lowest prices, that's why they are so popular. Trust me, the wealthiest people shop at Walmart since they provide the most value, they include everyone and keep inflation low in the process. So hate all you want, but Walmart is one of the best organizations in the world.
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Okay, obviously the prices are low, but they are selling them for as high as they possibly can. How do you think they can afford to sell things as "low" as they do and makes billions upon billions every year? Someone is getting screwed here.

And they are pretty employee friendly?

http://www.workplacebullying.org/2009/03/11/walmart-guide/
 
KnightWRX said:
Don't even bother to try to justify anything. Wal-mart sells Blu-ray, except at the store near macdrew it seems, they have all the players/movies online like anything else they sell
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That's "a player" from their online catalog, not from a store, plus we are talking about blu-ray "content", which Walmart has essentially eliminated.

Yes, I live in a modern area, so Walmart is going to be ahead here compared to other regions, but it doesn't negate the fact blu-ray is being phased out is the point.
 
KnightWRX said:
If you want to play that game, ENIAC was the first to be turing complete and that is US based. Turing complete is important to modern computing.

Z3 was in fact programmable and had conditional branches, it was just electromechanical.

I think it's safe to say pretty much everyone at the time was working on it and no one was really first to be there. It's something that will always remain a biased debate.
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The first punched card programmable machines are from 18th-century France.
 
macdrew said:
That's "a player" from their online catalog, not from a store, plus we are talking about blu-ray "content", which Walmart has essentially eliminated.

Yes, I live in a modern area, so Walmart is going to be ahead here compared to other regions, but it doesn't negate the fact blu-ray is being phased out is the point.
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Uh ? I was at wal-mart this morning. All the movies and players were there.

This player is available in stores and online :

http://www.walmart.com/ip/Vizio-VBR...y-Player-with-Wireless-Internet-Apps/13912192

Here you go, movies, notice it's available in stores too :

http://www.walmart.com/ip/14264709

Again, what the hell are you talking about ? Wal-mart sells Blu-ray stuff.
 
macdrew said:
There will be NO blu-ray support on ANY Apple device... it's obsolete technology, we all know that... so where do you want this discussion to go?
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To getting that support? You don't have to care about it, doesn't matter if you don't want it, so what does it matter to you that I want it? And that others want it?
 
aaaaaaron said:
Okay, obviously the prices are low, but they are selling them for as high as they possibly can. How do you think they can afford to sell things as "low" as they do and makes billions upon billions every year? Someone is getting screwed here.
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yes, they sell products a few pennies or a few dollars less than any competitors, so if you want to call that "high", then jump in and compete, sell your items even lower and see what happens! their secret is volume, and extreme focus on customer satisfaction.

nobody is getting screwed, if anything the public wins since they are so good about providing the most for your money.

your link was stupid, if you don't want to work for walmart, then don't, it's a free country don't forget.
 
aaaaaaron said:
So what does it matter to you that I want it? And that others want it?
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if you want it, go to microsoft, buy a windows pc... the point is apple users don't care about it, so it's time to move on to more credible ways of content delivery.
 
macdrew said:
yes, they sell products a few pennies or a few dollars less than any competitors, so if you want to call that "high", then jump in and compete, sell your items even lower and see what happens! their secret is volume, and extreme focus on customer satisfaction.

nobody is getting screwed, if anything the public wins since they are so good about providing the most for your money.

your link was stupid, if you don't want to work for walmart, then don't, it's a free country don't forget.
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Okay, again, I'm not saying that their prices are high, they are, again obviously low. And the link is just something to show you that any company that had a real value for their employees wouldn't have to have company memos like that. But this thread is about blu ray, not Walmart, go start your "I love Walmart" thread, and talk about them there.

This, again, is about BLU RAY! Shop at the stores you want, do what you want, it really won't matter to me. And since it is a free country, as you said, let's us have our blu ray support if we want.
 
macdrew said:
if you want it, go to microsoft, buy a windows pc... the point is apple users don't care about it, so it's time to move on to more credible ways of content delivery.
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Then the point is wrong. I am an Apple user and I care about blu ray.
 
macdrew said:
Your comment didn't make much sense. Apple has never been about creating "wealth" it's always been about creating the best products and changing the world in the process. Steve never would add "blu-ray" just to "sell" more Macs... what would be the point? Downloads are 100% the future, so why cheapen up the product for a few years just to appeal to a few laggards?

Apple has always had the burden of moving society forward, if you can't handle that mission, Microsoft would be glad to take your money.

And don't be completely absurd, the Mac remains the core of Apple's business, Steve has repeatedly said that. The Mac in 20 years will have 70% of the computer business it's just everyone is waiting for the old people to die off... So learn about how this industry was created, how it works, and who sets the direction.
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Wow I don't even know where to begin. First of all, yes Apple exists as a corporation for one reason, the same reason that all corporations exist to create value for the shareholders. You create value by creating profit. However you do it is up to you. I know it is hard for people to stomach the thought that Apple is a big ugly profit driven corporation like all the rest, but it is. Period. End of story.

Next, downloads might be the future in a few years, but today BD completely dominates in quality. I'm sure you are a consumer that does not care about 1080p, high bit rates and lossless audio. You probably don't care about having a low bit rate legacy DD 5.1 audio track or an image that is full of artifacts, but I do. I bet that there are many other consumers out there like me.

Why am I going to spend $1300 on a new 1080p 120hz 46" Sharp Aquos Quattron LED-LCD when I am going to feed it low bit rate downloaded fake 720p? Seriously. Why am I going to buy the latest surround sound system that decodes Dolby True HD and DTS HD Master Audio and then put low bit rate legacy DD 5.1 through it?

Downloads might be the future, but that future is a long ways off. We have just started to get into 3D and BD is looking to add more layers taking the 50GB limit higher. Do you have an Internet connection today that can download 50GB or more in an hour or less? I hardly doubt it. In fact I bet your ISP would get upset if you started to use that much bandwidth.

Macs will have 70% of the market in 20 years? How did you come up with that figure? Unless you have some sort of a crystal ball it is pretty hard to predict what will be happening in 20 years.
 
KnightWRX said:
I'd say a thread with 1600 posts on a Apple forum shows that there are Apple users who want it.
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So 1,600 out of 90,000,000... I'd say it's not very convincing. You seem to continue overlook what Steve wants for the platform, not the microscopic few.

Steve knows Blu-ray quality will be delivered via wireless, all newer Macs already support it... so why should he briefly put in a buzzing, whirling contraption just to appease 1,600 people?

It makes no sense... In the famous words of Alan Kay... "Would you rather have something that is good today? or wait for something that actually IS good tomorrow?" So it seems you want to damage the Mac platform longterm by being impatient. :rolleyes:
 
macdrew said:
So 1,600 out of 90,000,000... I'd say it's not very convincing. You seem to continue overlook what Steve wants for the platform, not the microscopic few.
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90 million don't come to this site. It's one of the longest threads on Macrumors, that's how you sample how critical an issue this is.
 
macdrew said:
So 1,600 out of 90,000,000... I'd say it's not very convincing. You seem to continue overlook what Steve wants for the platform, not the microscopic few.

Steve knows Blu-ray quality will be delivered via wireless, all newer Macs already support it... so why should he briefly put in a buzzing, whirling contraption just to appease 1,600 people?

It makes no sense... In the famous words of Alan Kay... "Would you rather have something that is good today? or wait for something that actually IS good tomorrow?" So it seems you want to damage the Mac platform longterm by being impatient. :rolleyes:
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Yeah, because adding blu ray today would cripple the network capabilities of the Mac forever.

Seriously, what do you care if we get blu ray? It certainly won't harm you.
 
Carniphage said:
On May 30, 2007, Canadian encryption vendor Certicom sued Sony alleging that AACS violated two of its patents, "Strengthened public key protocol" and "Digital signatures on a Smartcard.

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Is that the best u can come up with? A 3 year old lawsuit filed by a patent troll? I can play the link game too:

What could be extremely troubling to Sony's partners is a portion of the otherwise boilerplate language of the Certicom suit accuses Sony of willfully infringing upon Certicom's intellectual property by virtue of its having advocated Blu-ray - and thus the AACS content protection system it relies upon - in the first place.

http://www.betanews.com/article/Cer...nst-Sony-Threatens-to-Unravel-AACS/1180557165

Once again, if sony "owned" the DRM systems used in blu-ray, why did they license it out to Toshiba to use in HD-DVD. There would have been no format war if HD-DVD didnt have AACS :rolleyes:
 
macdrew said:
So 1,600 out of 90,000,000... I'd say it's not very convincing. You seem to continue overlook what Steve wants for the platform, not the microscopic few.

Steve knows Blu-ray quality will be delivered via wireless, all newer Macs already support it... so why should he briefly put in a buzzing, whirling contraption just to appease 1,600 people?
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Briefly ? I wouldn't hold my breath for Blu-ray quality streams through wireless if I were you. Some of those bitrates are pretty high, especially if you factor audio + video.
 
macdrew said:
In the famous words of Alan Kay... "Would you rather have something that is good today? or wait for something that actually IS good tomorrow?" So it seems you want to damage the Mac platform longterm by being impatient. :rolleyes:
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How about
A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow – George S. Patton.

There is also still the debate about weather streaming is a good thing, obviously the quality will increase but the question of depending on a remote network is a fundamental issue. Remote networks are never perfect (how many times have you been disconnected from the net or received a 404 error), wifi is worse because wireless networks pick up interference, we use high end radio mics and we've still managed to pick up random garbage.
 
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