Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[archipellago]

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A good plan today is better than a perfect plan tomorrow – George S. Patton.

There is also still the debate about weather streaming is a good thing, obviously the quality will increase but the question of depending on a remote network is a fundamental issue. Remote networks are never perfect (how many times have you been disconnected from the net or received a 404 error), wifi is worse because wireless networks pick up interference, we use high end radio mics and we've still managed to pick up random garbage.

you still talking about streaming movies or madrew's posts?

 

[Reddkryten]

you still talking about streaming movies or madrew's posts?

If could hug you right now, I would!

 

[aaaaaaron]

you still talking about streaming movies or madrew's posts?

haha +1600

 

[Manzanito]

haha +1600

-90.000.000

 

[macdrew]

First of all, yes Apple exists as a corporation for one reason, the same reason that all corporations exist to create value for the shareholders. You create value by creating profit. However you do it is up to you. I know it is hard for people to stomach the thought that Apple is a big ugly profit driven corporation like all the rest, but it is. Period. End of story.

Downloads might be the future, but that future is a long ways off. We have just started to get into 3D and BD is looking to add more layers taking the 50GB limit higher. Do you have an Internet connection today that can download 50GB or more in an hour or less? I hardly doubt it. In fact I bet your ISP would get upset if you started to use that much bandwidth.

Macs will have 70% of the market in 20 years? How did you come up with that figure? Unless you have some sort of a crystal ball it is pretty hard to predict what will be happening in 20 years.

You clearly don't know anything about Apple... They have never been in business to make money for shareholders, they are in it to make the best products possible... money is just a byproduct of their work.

You need to learn Apple is an "eastern based company", Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, so money has never been a goal... not even close... it's all about bringing peace, culture and harmony to the world through "products"... again, never about money, that's a "western" idea... So you were wrong, admit it...

Downloads are the future, so there no point at looking at the present for guidance. Steve divides product trends into "seasons"... so spring, summer, fall, winter. Downloads are still in the "spring", so that's why it's time to focus on them. CDs, Blu-Ray are in "winter", so there is no point to them, they will soon be dead.

Macs are the root of the Apple tree, they were replanted just in 2001 with OSX, so now they are entering the mid-spring of their lives. Children all have grown up with Apple, so it's just a timing of waiting until the older people die off until Macs have 70% of the market. Microsoft jumped into the "fall" of IBM, now they are in the "winter" death spiral.

So look organically when you look at Apple's orchard... it will tell you the future very clearly.

 

[Slim02]

Yes, but you are living in Britain where modern technology is looked down upon. I'm in the States where if you go into a Walmart you'd be hard pressed to find a Blu-Ray disc... it's all iPods, iPhones and accessories for them.

A lot of you still have 20GB caps on your monthly internet usage, so no wonder you don't understand where the future is heading. We don't have any of those limits, thus the cultural divide. You guys need to stand up and fight your providers for cheating you, it's the American way. Demand 108Mbps, unlimited for 50 quid and see what happens.

Yes, trying to hold a tangible item in a non-tangible world is also testament to the backwardness of Britain's fear of the future. We have no such qualms since we invented the internet and know the data will always be there. Streams, torrents, downloads, they are the future of ALL media delivery, so let's move forward together.

Man you have no clue in what you are talking about.. I can go to any Walmart and find the same almond of Blu-rays as Best buy.. I seen DVD selection getting smaller and the Blu-ray selection getting bigger and cheaper.. I see this every where I go and I live in the US.. Also learn what the word Failed means before you through it around.. Because I think you do not know what it means..

 

[Slim02]

Downloads are the the future, so there no point at looking at the present for guidance. , so there is no point for CDs, Blu-Ray are they will soon be dead.
it will tell you the future very clearly.

Until EVERY ONE IN THE US OWNS A COMPUTER AND HAS HIGH SPEED INTERNET.. CD, DVD and Blu-ray will still be around way into the future.. There are still people that use dial-up because it is cheap.. There are people that live 100 miles away from any town or city that have no cable long with no high speed internet. So they have no need for a Computer.. So again disc like DVD, Blu-ray will still be around.. Also how long has cable TV been out and how many people that still do not have cable running to their house? If you can asking that maybe then download will be all of all and no more disc of any format.. But that not going to happen for another 20+ years..

 

[macdrew]

Seriously, what do you care if we get blu ray? It certainly won't harm you.

It's because it would lower the standards of how people view the Mac. People want the very best if they get a Mac, so having blu-ray would make it seem less advanced, dirty or unpolished.

Plus it could lower how fast I get internet access. We need to PUSH the limits, not put on bandaids on our network infrastructure.

Why don't we just add back floppy disks or punchcards... it seems that's what you are advocating...

 

[jnpy!$4g3cwk]

Super!

Very few digital cinemas are equipped with 4K projectors. <5% of cinemas.

Offhand, the only two I know of are each about 50 mi. from my house. And, I don't expect to be that interested in "The Social Network". But, I plan to make the drive anyway ;-)

According to Panavision most conventional analog prints struggle to achieve 1000 lines of resolution - ie 2K.

Someone could write a book on this subject. A few questions come to mind. 35mm or 70mm? Throughout the frame, or, at the edges? Format and lens system (conventional, anamorphic)?

I would agree that conventional 35mm is not as good, end-to-end, as you might think looking at any one step. However, it is easy to demonstrate that most people can tell the difference between 2K and 4K in a conventional theater. How many people will actually care is a difficult to say. Time and again, I heard people say that NTSC was OK, but then, as soon as they had HD, suddenly there was no going back.

In time, cinemas may eventually deliver 4K - but to deliver it domestically means 100" screens viewed from 10'.

I am a film-geek. But I am not that much of a film geek.

C.

How about 60" viewed from 6'?

 

[macdrew]

Until EVERY ONE IN THE US OWNS A COMPUTER AND HAS HIGH SPEED INTERNET.. CD, DVD and Blu-ray will still be around way into the future.. There are still people that use dial-up because it is cheap.. There are people that live 100 miles away from any town or city that have no cable long with no high speed internet. So they have no need for a Computer.. So again disc like DVD, Blu-ray will still be around.. Also how long has cable TV been out and how many people that still do not have cable running to their house? If you can asking that maybe then download will be all of all and no more disc of any format.. But that not going to happen for another 20+ years..

Yes, but Apple isn't trying to make computers for "everyone", they are building machines that THEY WANT, they don't care about people who like to live in the past. Yes, and the new $800 million for high speed connections in rural areas is now approved, so why do you want to keep people in the dark?

If you want the older tech, get a PC, if you want the best, get a Mac. Apple can only do so much, they have to raise the bar or nothing in society would ever advance.

 

[Slim02]

Yes, but Apple isn't trying to make computers for "everyone", they are building machines that THEY WANT, they don't care about people who like to live in the past. Yes, and the new $800 million for high speed connections in rural areas is now approved, so why do you want to keep people in the dark?

If you want the older tech, get a PC, if you want the best, get a Mac. Apple can only do so much, they have to raise the bar or nothing in society would ever advance.

You have no clue in what you talk about.. If Window base computers have things that Apple computers do not does , Does not make Mac the best.. You have it wrong. If you want older tech buy a Mac with a high price to go with it.. If you want new tech you buy a window base computer.. Having Blu-ray on the Mac is not the past.. Having a Blu-ray make the Mac UP TO DATED not BEHIDE...

P.S. There well be people that will stay with dial-up because it cheaper. So until people can get 50Mbs+ for $9 month then there will be the same almond of people still using disc for movies and music.. Also some people do not care about owning a computer and that does not make them living in the past.. They just do not need a computer to live their day to day life's..

 

[jfanning]

If someone buys a physical copy, where is Apple's cut? Much the opposite of getting a cut, they pay to provide that ability.

They pay? Do you mean Apple, they don't pay to provide this ability, they pass the cost (+ profit) to the consumer

 

[jfanning]

I think you need to compare like with like:

The purchase experience:

I can purchase and stream a move from iTunes, much faster than you can get to Blockbuster and back.

The watching experience.

And I can press play, to play a movie off my media server, much faster than you can insert and spin up a disk.

Not to mention negotiate all those un-skippable ads.

C.

Let's see, I can walk to the video store and back in 8 minutes (I am a slow walker). I can rent a new release Blu-ray for NZ$4. The other option is to download a movie from Apple, SD only outside the US, more expensive than the video rental shop, and it has used 20% of my monthly data cap, and it is a hassle to move my iMac beside the TV and connect it to my tv to watch it.

 

[macdrew]

There is also still the debate about weather streaming is a good thing, obviously the quality will increase but the question of depending on a remote network is a fundamental issue. Remote networks are never perfect (how many times have you been disconnected from the net or received a 404 error), wifi is worse because wireless networks pick up interference, we use high end radio mics and we've still managed to pick up random garbage.

There is no real difference between streaming over wired or wireless. I've never seen a 404 error in the last 15 years, sure I'm closer to the backbone than most, but if there is an error, just call up your provider and get it fixed.

No, wireless interference is negligible, so even if you have a basic Airport Extreme, you'll still get 54Mbps, IF your connection can go that fast... chances are high you are on a 7-20Mbps line, so even Apple's slowest wireless connection will flood your Mac or AppleTV.

 

[Manzanito]

It's because it would lower the standards of how people view the Mac. People want the very best if they get a Mac, so having blu-ray would make it seem less advanced, dirty or unpolished.

Plus it could lower how fast I get internet access. We need to PUSH the limits, not put on bandaids on our network infrastructure.

Why don't we just add back floppy disks or punchcards... it seems that's what you are advocating...

Yeah, whatever. It seems you're just trying to have a few laughs, so I'll leave you at it.

 

[macdrew]

Let's see, I can walk to the video store and back in 8 minutes (I am a slow walker). I can rent a new release Blu-ray for NZ$4. The other option is to download a movie from Apple, SD only outside the US, more expensive than the video rental shop, and it has used 20% of my monthly data cap, and it is a hassle to move my iMac beside the TV and connect it to my tv to watch it.

No, you just stream it, you don't need to download it from Apple, so wait 15 seconds and you can watch the video all the way through. Why would you have a data cap? Do you live in an obsolete country?

No, the AppleTV pulls it right into your TV, no need to move your Mac.

So it sounds like we have an education problem, not a technical one.

 

[Slim02]

No, you just stream it, you don't need to download it from Apple, so wait 15 seconds and you can watch the video all the way through. Why would you have a data cap? Do you live in an obsolete country?

No, the AppleTV pulls it right into your TV, no need to move your Mac.

So it sounds like we have an education problem, not a technical one.

I guess you forgot that in the US and other Countries have caps.. Comcast is one of them....

P.S. Just because the speed goes up does not mean the cap will to... If you download 1GB on 2Mbps it still uses the same bandwidth as using 20Mbps internet.. The only thing difference is the speed..

 

[macdrew]

You have no clue in what you talk about.. If Window base computers have things that Apple computers do not does , Does not make Mac the best.. You have it wrong. If you want older tech buy a Mac with a high price to go with it.. If you want new tech you buy a window base computer.. Having Blu-ray on the Mac is not the past.. Having a Blu-ray make the Mac UP TO DATED not BEHIDE...

P.S. There well be people that will stay with dial-up because it cheaper. So until people can get 50Mbs+ for $9 month then there will be the same almond of people still using disc for movies and music.. Also some people do not care about owning a computer and that does not make them living in the past.. They just do not need a computer to live their day to day life's..

No, I have all the clues, you just don't like the answers. What doesn't a Mac have that a Window's based machine has? Please explain.

No, Macs are priced about the same as PCs nowadays, so get a grip, you are talking about bottom of the barrel "subsidized" machines, not units built like a Mac. Check pricing here:

Mac Price Matrix

But Blu-Ray never made it into the market, nobody uses it anymore is the point, so how can the Mac be behind when it's already in the future?

Dial up? Oh, my... who in the WORLD is still on dial up? You've got to be kidding, do you live in cave and eat mice for breakfast? Dial up died out over 10 years ago!

Whatever, but to think every Mac user needs to lower their standards to 1994 just isn't going to happen, trust me.

 

[archipellago]

No, I have all the clues, you just don't like the answers. What doesn't a Mac have that a Window's based machine has? Please explain.

No, Macs are priced about the same as PCs nowadays, so get a grip, you are talking about bottom of the barrel "subsidized" machines, not units built like a Mac. Check pricing here:

Mac Price Matrix

But Blu-Ray never made it into the market, nobody uses it anymore is the point, so how can the Mac be behind when it's already in the future?

Dial up? Oh, my... who in the WORLD is still on dial up? You've got to be kidding, do you live in cave and eat mice for breakfast? Dial up died out over 10 years ago!

Whatever, but to think every Mac user needs to lower their standards to 1994 just isn't going to happen, trust me.

colour me educated... I never knew people so wrong still existed.

I pity the people who have to deal with you on a daily basis.

I can only hope you are being sarcastic, if not, you are one scary person.

 

[Slim02]

No, I have all the clues, you just don't like the answers. What doesn't a Mac have that a Window's based machine has? Please explain.

No, Macs are priced about the same as PCs nowadays, so get a grip, you are talking about bottom of the barrel "subsidized" machines, not units built like a Mac. Check pricing here:

Mac Price Matrix

But Blu-Ray never made it into the market, nobody uses it anymore is the point, so how can the Mac be behind when it's already in the future?

Dial up? Oh, my... who in the WORLD is still on dial up? You've got to be kidding, do you live in cave and eat mice for breakfast? Dial up died out over 10 years ago!

Whatever, but to think every Mac user needs to lower their standards to 1994 just isn't going to happen, trust me.

Really so Mac books Pro have Quad Core Processor and 1GB video cards? Mac Pro has 1 to 1.5GB video cards when you built to order from Apple.. Oh and Macs have 7.1 surround sound output?.. Blu-ray is every where I think you are living in a cave.. I know lot of people that live in city limits using dial-up because it is cheaper.. You know there are people out the that do not like to have a lot of high bills.. Hell I know people that do not have a computer or even internet because they do not want to pay $60+ a month.. Some people do not have the money to be able to afford to have internet then a computer..

 

[godslabrat]

You clearly don't know anything about Apple... They have never been in business to make money for shareholders, they are in it to make the best products possible... money is just a byproduct of their work.

You need to learn Apple is an "eastern based company", Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, so money has never been a goal... not even close... it's all about bringing peace, culture and harmony to the world through "products"... again, never about money, that's a "western" idea... So you were wrong, admit it...

In that case, I find it odd that Apple hasn't filed for tax-exempt status as a nonprofit organization. Clearly this would allow them to divert more of their revenue into their stated mission of bringing peace and harmony into the world. Considering this oversight, I must assume their accountants are completely incompetent.

 

[macdrew]

colour me educated... I never knew people so wrong still existed.

I pity the people who have to deal with you on a daily basis.

I just know the industry inside and out, sorry to make you into a fool.

 

[MorphingDragon]

Oh and Macs have 7.1 surround sound output?..

Just saying, yes they do. The 3.5mm jack is also an optical port.

 

[Slim02]

Just saying, yes they do. The 3.5mm jack is also an optical port.

At best 5.1 but I doubt 7.1...

 

[DoFoT9]

If the best experience is defined as the fastest one, then surely a blu Ray would be faster? I can pop in a blu Ray and have it playing in far less time than it takes to stream a video. Even when I put on a short video from YouTube, there is still a short pause before it begin to play.
Hmm, I'm almost tempted to hold a blu Ray vs YouTube race

hahahahaha! that depends on how fast you can pull the BD out of their holsters

of all the possible ways to play the BDs - playing them on downloaded/ripped content would surely be the fastest, navigate via Finder/iTunes etc and hit play. done.

As for apple offering a choice of different streaming formats, didn't they already do that elsewhere? I remember an apple site with trailers for films, it would offer a choice between sd, 720 and 1080.

hmm not sure - we didnt have the iTunes store for a LONG time and i never even bothered looking at the movies/trailer

Best experience is subjective I agree but givn the length of time it takes to download a true HD movie (iTunes HD doesn't count) then I'm sure I could go to the store buy a BRD and start watching it before it had finished downloading.

thats a fair assumption given the majority of users download speeds. however with 200mbit coming out in some countries you may be mistaken in a few short years

There wouldn't be 3 versions....there would be SD and proper HD..... like I said before iTunes suedo HD wouldn't count.

oh most certainly not! the quality is disgusting, thats why i dont download them. only full rips for me!

Ripping a BRD to MKV is technically illegal and a breach of more than 1 law...even over there in the 'outback' so in its' current guise and whilst many people may do its not a feasible forward solution...so a non point in this debate.

i dont think the legality matters that much. its VERY easy to do.
1. put in BD disc
2. open ripping program, scan disc
3. rip to HDD in mkv.
its a ~1hr process (speed of BD is limiting factor here).

people rip their DVDs, and their audio CDs to flac/aiff - are they considered illegal too?

Really?!!!! wow how fast is your connection? it takes about a 10 minute drive to my local dvd store, I can buy or rent multiple blu-ray movies at the same time and for 2-3 days, at the cost of AU$8 . 10 minutes later i can be back home and watch the whole movie without worrying about how long or fast it will take for the movie to buffer, stream, download etc.

at the moment buying and renting physical discs is FAR better than downloading, for most people around the world who don't have super fast internet or capped broadband.

its a $3 expense and a 2min trip for me beat that! haha but nah, its certainly faster to get the full rip/quality at this stage. and i agree, iTunes is FUGLYY

Wait, why are your Blu-ray discs upstairs and your Blu-ray player downstairs ?

And why would you accept to sacrifice video and audio quality to save 2 minutes while wasting tons of HD space for things you already have on a longer lasting and more reliable storage media ?

to watch BD discs, i have to go upstairs to the PS3 - its an AWFUL experience, as the PS3 lags and produces blotches everywhere.

the rips give a perfect reproduction (my room is downstairs) and it takes a few seconds to find the movie and open in Plex/VLC/whatever.

People saying all 1080p video is the same are wrong. Blu-ray quality 1080p and ripped and re-encoded 1080p video is not the same quality, even if both use the same h.264 codec. There is a thing as bitrate and compression artifacts. The less compression the better. When you squeeze a Blu-ray video into a file 1/4 its original size, you lose quality even if you keep resolution.

I'd rather go upstairs and get the disc for full quality. Same with DVDs.

idk what you are on about here. i rip my DVDs and BDs for a 1:1 ratio of quality. they are identical in every aspect no lost quality!

But this isn't about going upstairs. This is about being able to take your movies with you on the road, lend them to friends to watch. Stuff digital downloads don't permit right now because of the quality of Internet connections and DRM.

well how can a physical BD help you here? if you rip the BD then all you need is HB to convert into a format "ready to go" onto the road!

People saying we've moved on to downloads are being disingenious. Even for Music, which is much easier to stream/download, people are still in a big majority buying it on physical media. If physical media is dead, why is it still the dominant format for digital media distribution ? CDs, DVDs, Blu-rays are all better sellers than digital downloads/streaming. It seems people do worry about quality and most people don't find paying for bits of data to be worth it, they'd rather own something physical (I know I do).

its not dead, its dying - eventually it will be gone. yey

p.s. optical cables can do whatever you throw at them