Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[Reddkryten]

There is no real difference between streaming over wired or wireless. I've never seen a 404 error in the last 15 years, sure I'm closer to the backbone than most, but if there is an error, just call up your provider and get it fixed.

No, wireless interference is negligible, so even if you have a basic Airport Extreme, you'll still get 54Mbps, IF your connection can go that fast... chances are high you are on a 7-20Mbps line, so even Apple's slowest wireless connection will flood your Mac or AppleTV.

You haven't seen a 404 error in the past 15 years, I find that hard to believe, I had one last week, I was trying to bring up an old news article but unfortunately it had been pulled from the site. Earlier this year, geocities was taken offline, a substantial portion of the Internet just became 404 material. Also didn't gmail have a major outage last year?

As for wireless interference being negligible, I also have to say in my experience that is just not true. In France a lot of people use wifi as their primary means of connecting to the Internet (why I don't know, it seems French telecom has some sort of wire alergy) and while living there I heard so many coworkers complaining about dropped connections. When I was in France I used an airport express to stream to my laptop, I tried to watch the season four finale of Lost and it cut out several times (just as Ben started to turn the wheel, I was so angry) that was with a router about ten metres away, admitidly it was an old building with thick walls which may have caused some interference but still. Also, I believe if you check the airport extreme manual, it mentions something about wireless phones getting too close?

 

[macdrew]

In that case, I find it odd that Apple hasn't filed for tax-exempt status as a nonprofit organization. Clearly this would allow them to divert more of their revenue into their stated mission of bringing peace and harmony into the world.

A 401 cannot sell products to better the world, so get off your high horse and accept the reason why Apple uses corporate tax rules to get around their ultimate aim.

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Huh?

Perhaps Tesla should offer a petrol powered car? Because the world is not really ready for electric vehicles.

C.

No, analogous to my position would be Tesla selling hybrid cars and gradually working towards a totally electric one. Deal with the reality as it is but provide a gateway to future development - that is what they should be doing instead of shipping giant white elephants that pretty much sit idle until some mythical flat rate bandwidth arrives on the scene in some distant future.

 

[MorphingDragon]

At best 5.1 but I doubt 7.1...

Optical is 5.1,

HDMI is 7.1.

 

[Slim02]

7.1, its just the generic Intel HDA on the Macs. My Uncle's recording studio has 7.1 setup to simplify his studio monitor speaker setup.

So basely Mac are using generic sound cards where PC are using HD sound.. SO again the Macs are not using the best..

 

[macdrew]

No, analogous to my position would be Tesla selling hybrid cars and gradually working towards a totally electric one. Deal with the reality as it is but provide a gateway to future development - that is what they should be doing instead of shipping giant white elephants that pretty much sit idle until some mythical flat rate bandwidth arrives on the scene in some distant future.

why would you want to hender progress by lowering a product to common standards? that would make zero sense. we already have flat rate bandwidth, i pay $20 for 7Mbps unlimited bandwidth up/down so i'm basically free to create anything i want.

if we took your approach, we'd end up like britain or france, and nobody wants that.

 

[macdrew]

So basely Mac are using generic sound cards where PC are using HD sound.. SO again the Macs are not using the best..

no, macs never used sound cards, they simply had the best sound available which is why they are used by 90% of audio people to this day.

 

[MorphingDragon]

So basely Mac are using generic sound cards where PC are using HD sound.. SO again the Macs are not using the best..

I changed my comment, but Intel HDAudio is HD sound. (Most likely they are using Realtek chips now instead)

Sorry to disappoint you, but most computers use Generic sound cards, unless you spend hundreds on an XFi based sound card or Asus' custom thing, most likely it will be using a Realtek Chip, SoundMAX.

 

[Slim02]

I changed my comment, but Intel HDA is HD sound. In-fact, Intel HDA is the spec most HD sound cards are based off or use. I said generic because Intel HDA is generic HD sound.

Ok. I got it, I take back about the sound part but the other stuff still stands tho..

 

[macintoshtoffy]

why would you want to hender progress by lowering a product to common standards? that would make zero sense. we already have flat rate bandwidth, i pay $20 for 7Mbps unlimited bandwidth up/down so i'm basically free to create anything i want.

if we took your approach, we'd end up like britain or france, and nobody wants that.

In all due respects, no one gives a crap about the US. 300million people do not dictate the world; there are over a billion people in countries in the OECD which have varying degrees of caps/meterage on their internet connection - until those caps leave the AppleTV will not be a viable device outside the US and a few other countries.

Btw, who said anything about lowering the product? Jesus Christ all bloody mighty - read the f-cking post. Have *BOTH TECHNOLOGIES IN THE SAME PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!!!* are you deaf? are you blind? I never said it had to be a one or the other I said that they need to provide a digital tuner for Freeview/etc and have the technology there to also take advantage of streaming when hooked into a network connection. Have *BOTH* and allow the customer to choose between them.

Also, what is so strange about having a stackable storage? if I download movies, why should I have to start deleting old videos once I run out of space? provide a way of expanding it in a neat and clean way of adding space.

 

[xbjllb]

Here's my guess....

Apple will launch an updated version of AppleTV within 18 months.
The product will be tiny; based on the A4 SOC. Imagine an iPod touch, without a screen or a battery - but with an HDMI connector.
C.

Like I said. Dick Tracy wrist radio. 1930-1960 Sunday comics.

Wow that Steve. What a brilliant innovator.

Give people anything but what his high ticket high end pro base wants and needs.

We'll see how long that business model lasts.

 

[DoFoT9]

^^ YEA mac i agree. i get 50GB downloads (ADSL2+) for $130aus (~115US) a month... downloading big stuff is out of the question.

 

[xbjllb]

Yes, but you are living in Britain where modern technology is looked down upon. I'm in the States where if you go into a Walmart you'd be hard pressed to find a Blu-Ray disc... it's all iPods, iPhones and accessories for them.

Ah, Wal-mart is your oyster, where all the "uber-rich" people shop.

Try a Fry's. But wear a diaper; you'll need it when you see the Blu-ray section.

 

[xbjllb]

There will be NO blu-ray support on ANY Apple device... it's obsolete technology, we all know that... so where do you want this discussion to go?

Bets on how soon Apple goes bankrupt as a cheap fad toy manufacturer destroyed by cheaper competition like all the rest of them after they lost the entirety of their high end high ticket workstation base.

 

[Slim02]

In all due respects, no one gives a crap about the US. 300million people do not dictate the world; there are over a billion countries in the OECD which have varying degrees of caps/meterage on their internet connection - until those caps leave the AppleTV will not be a viable device outside the US and a few other countries.

Btw, who said anything about lowering the product? Jesus Christ all bloody mighty - read the f-cking post. Have *BOTH TECHNOLOGIES IN THE SAME PRODUCT!!!!!!!!!!!!* are you deaf? are you blind? I never said it had to be a one or the other I said that they need to provide a digital tuner for Freeview/etc and have the technology there to also take advantage of streaming when hooked into a network connection. Have *BOTH* and allow the customer to choose between them.

Also, what is so strange about having a stackable storage? if I download movies, why should I have to start deleting old videos once I run out of space? provide a way of expanding it in a neat and clean way of adding space.

Do not worry about it. Because he thinks you know every thing even tho here in the US ISP are adding Caps/meterage too..

 

[jfanning]

No, you just stream it, you don't need to download it from Apple, so wait 15 seconds and you can watch the video all the way through. Why would you have a data cap? Do you live in an obsolete country?

Let's see, crowd the family around a 24" iMac, or watch it on the large screen tv, with HT?

And how do you stream it? Is there a company available outside the US that allows you to do this?

And you are a bit of an elitist aren't you!!

No, the AppleTV pulls it right into your TV, no need to move your Mac.

Can you please give me the address of the place I can pick up my free AppleTV from? I don't want to purchase another device that is already dead, and has no advantages over my PS3

So it sounds like we have an education problem, not a technical one.

Sounds like you need the education

 

[xbjllb]

You clearly don't know anything about Apple... They have never been in business to make money for shareholders, they are in it to make the best products possible... money is just a byproduct of their work.

You need to learn Apple is an "eastern based company", Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, so money has never been a goal... not even close... it's all about bringing peace, culture and harmony to the world through "products"... again, never about money, that's a "western" idea... So you were wrong, admit it...

ROFLMAO... we all know who YOU have a shrine to in your living room, and it AIN'T Buddha. That is the single most pathetic swallowing and regurgitating of absolute horsefeces I've ever had the horror to experience in my entire life.

And I've heard the best, too.

 

[wreckshop]

You need to learn Apple is an "eastern based company", Steve Jobs is a Buddhist, so money has never been a goal... not even close... it's all about bringing peace, culture and harmony to the world through "products"... again, never about money, that's a "western" idea... So you were wrong, admit it...

U r clueless about buddhism. Products are the path to enlightenment? PLEASE STOP POSTING!!!!!

What's with all these clueless anti-BD posters?

 

[DoFoT9]

Why would you have a data cap? Do you live in an obsolete country?

ARE YOU SERIOUS!? sorry for caps, but get educated. australia, the UK, new zealand, and even a lot of places in asia have data caps. australia is pathetic! the UK has reasonable (200GB caps and above). 50GB cap for me.

 

[Reddkryten]

And how do you stream it? Is there a company available outside the US that allows you to do this?

I'm not trying to argue for the ridiculous position that streaming will replace blurry but in the interest of having all the facts.
Lovefilm.com in the UK offers streaming movies (never used it though) BBC has the iplayer (which I have used, pretty good although if you pause it or try to fast forward it becomes very weird... I paused it to answer a call, I had to quit and restart the player to get back to where I was) and some other channels are streaming on YouTube.

 

[jfanning]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!? sorry for caps, but get educated. australia, the UK, new zealand, and even a lot of places in asia have data caps. australia is pathetic! the UK has reasonable (200GB caps and above). 50GB cap for me.

Yes I have a 30GB cap in NZ, although I can double it to 60GB for NZ$30 extra

 

[Slim02]

ARE YOU SERIOUS!? sorry for caps, but get educated. australia, the UK, new zealand, and even a lot of places in asia have data caps. australia is pathetic! the UK has reasonable (200GB caps and above). 50GB cap for me.

I told him even here in the US Comcast has a 250GB cap yet he over looking it.. So it happening every where not just outside of the US.. So yes he is undereducated because he some 12 year old that thinks he know every think..

 

[jfanning]

I'm not trying to argue for the ridiculous position that streaming will replace blurry but in the interest of having all the facts.
Lovefilm.com in the UK offers streaming movies (never used it though) BBC has the iplayer (which I have used, pretty good although if you pause it or try to fast forward it becomes very weird... I paused it to answer a call, I had to quit and restart the player to get back to where I was) and some other channels are streaming on YouTube.

I don't live in the UK, or the US. Although I have seen things on iPlayer a few years ago, I wasn't that impressed by the quality. Yes a couple of the local TV stations run a iPlayer like service, but you can't choose a movie to rent from them, and it is something I would use as the very last option, with a low internet cap you need to run it on a low quality, not pretty.

 

[xbjllb]

It's because it would lower the standards of how people view the Mac. People want the very best if they get a Mac, so having blu-ray would make it seem less advanced, dirty or unpolished.

ROFLMAO!!!

That's so beyond idiotic it's priceless. The latest greatest video standard making a product "dirty" or "unPOLISHED" because it has the latest technology!?!?!!?

You know the picture that goes along with such a statement is, don't you? It's the guy with his head so far up his rear he can no longer stand up. And because he's bent over so far backwards to accommodate the pathetic excuse for a product being so far outdated and obsolete to try and portray such stubborn obsolescence as some kind of virtue.

I mean, if Blu-ray would make a product "dirty" or "unPOLISHED", then I guess the fact they still ship with superdrives is reason they disappear when being hit by lighting bolts right off the assembly line.

I'm printing that up and putting it on my wall so whenever I need a good laugh I can read it and fall back down on the floor.

Thanks!

 

[DoFoT9]

Yes I have a 30GB cap in NZ, although I can double it to 60GB for NZ$30 extra

i feel for you man, i used to have 25GB, and before that 12GB

I told him even here in the US Comcast has a 250GB cap yet he over looking it.. So it happening every where not just outside of the US.. So yes he is undereducated because he some 12 year old that thinks he know every think..

oh really, i didnt know the US had caps! good to know