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of course movie studios are going to want to lock you into an obsolete plastic disc, this is their last gasp... but that's not what i'm talking about. all data needs to be free or at a very low cost, so whether you stream it, download it, or torrent it, the apple devices will play it.

so you need to step it up a notch or stop commenting.

At last the truth about Macdrew comes out; desperately wanting to live in his brave new world where all creative content is free and provides no compensation whatsoever for its creators.

Macdrew, whomever you are, whatever your reason for desperately repetitively lying on here (wishful thinking; paid shill) the truth is your world of free content is a momentary aberration, which is already and will quickly and thoroughly be clamped down by united action of the governments of the world.

Because what you are fighting for to come to fruition is a world completely devoid of record companies and movie studios, completely devoid of any content worth watching, seeing, or hearing. Furthermore, whatever content that IS worth watching, seeing, or hearing that altruistic funded rich souls will put out for free, YOU AND ANYONE ELSE WILL NEVER FIND and will soon disappear via neglect.

We are mere months, possibly a year away from all infringing torrents being shut down for good. And any technology that tries to arise to fill the gap will quickly be put down. There are reasons that the governments of the world want and need to have a handle on creative content, a handle that exists through the status quo of established and I will agree, highly exploitive companies controlling what the public sees and hears. However, the alternative is, at first chaos, and then complete atrophy as no one will ever spend the time necessary to wade through all the junk to find any worthwhile content, and then, refuse to pass on what they find because of fear of losing peer status.

It's all going to change, and fast, and indeed, you are already seeing the first successful attempts at turning the clock back. Your brave new world of free movies and music for all will only result in movies and music that no one will ever want to see because of poor quality, and absolutely unable to ever find music or films of great quality because there will be no promotional machine to tell you about them. Everyone is too wrapped up in their own little world to pass on the word, and too afraid of looking like a fool without mass peer pressure backup.

Bottom line. Genie is about to be corked, and for a very long time, and for people who create content, for some very valid reasons. For people who exploit it and wish to control it, nefarious ones. However the alliance is forged, and has been for some time. And that corking is going to cork your plans for theft, as well as Steve Jobs plans to continue to exploit your thieving, just as he and Apple have exploited and supported theft by its consumer base for decades by various technologies, some as simple and basic as disk images, for instance.

As someone who has spent their whole life creating content, I find your and Steve Jobs' pirates' view of the world that all content should be free, unless of course it is Steve the Jobs himself who is profiting from that content, highly and personally and professionally offensive, and I will do everything in my admittedly limited power to stop you. You've almost completely and utterly destroyed pop music of any worth, and you're not going to do it to movies.

Widespread INSTITUTIONALIZED piracy WILL end; Blu-ray will thrive.

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2. Your claim about stream it, download it, torrent it, apple will play it. Well this statement shows you to be a 10 or 11 year kid, Apple restricts their devices to a small number of codec supports, and only supports a small number of streaming technologies themselves. Downloads/streaming are the ones trying to restrict your rights, they are anti-consumer, and in their current form I cannot support them, or the companies that push them.

Thanks for the laugh, Apple only uses open standards for streaming and content so nobody is trying to restrict your rights. YES, some content providers still require Apple to include DRM on some movies, but they no longer have any DRM on the iTunes Music Store, so you seem out of touch. Apple never required any DRM, so you need to be upset with the publishers, not Apple... a lot of people get confused on that.

With the AppleTV, it's completely open, you can play any content you want from any source on your network, so it goes to show you don't know how the AppleTV or any "Apple product" works, that's all.
 
There were some very heated discussions between the MP3 proponents versus the MiniDisk brigade.

Yes but there is one difference, when did you ever see a minidisc for sale? When did you even see someone with an mini disc player?

During minidiscs heyday, I only ever saw one, a blank disc in an electronics shop.

I have never even seen someone with a minidisc player....I once thought I saw someone with a player, but when I asked her it turned out to be a very sleek portable cd player.

A more apt comparison would be movies sold on Hi8. I never even knew they existed, until a year ago when I found a small tape of Gremlins 2 and asked someone in the shop what it was.

I'm not denying that minidiscs were sold, but they represented a small back corner in a few shops. Blu Ray represents a major chunk in pretty much every video shop.
 
Thanks for the laugh, Apple only uses open standards for streaming and content so nobody is trying to restrict your rights. YES, some content providers still require Apple to include DRM on some movies, but they no longer have any DRM on the iTunes Music Store, so you seem out of touch. Apple never required any DRM, so you need to be upset with the publishers, not Apple... a lot of people get confused on that.

With the AppleTV, it's completely open, you can play any content you want from any source on your network, so it goes to show you don't know how the AppleTV or any "Apple product" works, that's all.

Thief.

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With the AppleTV, it's completely open, you can play any content you want from any source on your network, so it goes to show you don't know how the AppleTV or any "Apple product" works, that's all.


No, you can't. The Apple TV only supports a few formats. It does not support MKV, Xvid or WMV to name a few.
 
With the AppleTV, it's completely open, you can play any content you want from any source on your network, so it goes to show you don't know how the AppleTV or any "Apple product" works, that's all.

Apple fanboi that I am, I think the AppleTV was a pretty weak device.
I like mine now, but mainly because I have hacked it into something useful.

C.
 
Wirelessly stream your Photos, wirelessly stream your Music, Watch Podcasts, Audiobooks, publish your hard drive to your TV, listen to Radio, use Boxee, Watch movie trailers, surf the internet, setup fav actor, actress, etc searches, view your mobile me sites, use flicker, youtube, pull in torrents, nitoTV, use XBMC, use AirTunes, surf iTunes, set parental controls, control it from your iPad or iPhone, watch HD movies, watch HD TV and many more...

oh snap, i didn't know you could set parental controls on the ATV! How magical and awesome....
 
Yes but there is one difference, when did you ever see a minidisc for sale? When did you even see someone with an mini disc player?

I had one!

I had a huge pile of disks. And even spent hours, naming the tracks using the stupid remote.

This is what probably gave me a lifelong allergy to all physical media!

C.
 
Widespread INSTITUTIONALIZED piracy WILL end

I removed all your insanity except the last line, (because it made me laugh). Sorry, but free content already rules, it's the future of society and there is zero way to stop it. Take a look at Vuze, it makes finding content, getting content, playing content extremely easy.

Digital Liberation

So the idea that Blu-ray will ever take off and "save" the content providers is baseless. Data yearns to be free, and the Macintosh is the center of this freedom. :rolleyes:
 
I had one!

I had a huge pile of disks. And even spent hours, naming the tracks using the stupid remote.

This is what probably gave me a lifelong allergy to all physical media!

C.

Well, at least you realize your attitude is the result of being a freak case.

Here in the US lounge performers are still using them for live tracking.

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I removed all your insanity except the last line, (because it made me laugh). Sorry, but free content already rules, it's the future of society and there is zero way to stop it. Take a look at Vuze, it makes finding content, getting content, playing content extremely easy.

Digital Liberation

So the idea that Blu-ray will ever take off and "save" the content providers is baseless. Data yearns to be free, and the Macintosh is the center of this freedom. :rolleyes:

Thief. Rotten damned admitted thief. No namecalling here, you've identified and damned yourself, as well as completely and utterly negated anything further you have to poison the discussion.

Thanks.

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I had one!

Ouch!

I can kinda see where you are coming from, I know someone who got burned because he sided with Betamax during the VHS era, still angry about it to this day.

But my point still stands, how many people did you ever see with a minidisc player? From your experience, how many discs/players were sold at the front of a shop? Was it a big section of the shop, or a small corner in a back room?
 
Thief. Rotten damned admitted thief. No namecalling here, you've identified and damned yourself, as well as completely and utterly negated anything further you have to poison the discussion.

what is that supposed to mean? 90% of content is free nowadays, so the only goal is to get the other 10% so society can truly become successful.

why are you so bitter anyway? it's like you don't want people to grow and prosper. strange.
 
Ouch!

I can kinda see where you are coming from, I know someone who got burned because he sided with Betamax during the VHS era, still angry about it to this day.

But my point still stands, how many people did you ever see with a minidisc player? From your experience, how many discs/players were sold at the front of a shop? Was it a big section of the shop, or a small corner in a back room?

I knew a guy with minidisc, but he also had a laserdisc. watched predator on that badboy :)
 
what is that supposed to mean? 90% of content is free nowadays, so the only goal is to get the other 10% so society can truly become successful.

why are you so bitter anyway? it's like you don't want people to grow and prosper. strange.

Thief. Artists cannot grow and prosper when you steal their work. The infrastructure that surrounds them and performs vital necessary services for them cannot grow and prosper when you steal their work.

Thief. You only grow and prosper at the expense of others.

Thief.

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I removed all your insanity except the last line, (because it made me laugh). Sorry, but free content already rules, it's the future of society and there is zero way to stop it. Take a look at Vuze, it makes finding content, getting content, playing content extremely easy.

Digital Liberation

So the idea that Blu-ray will ever take off and "save" the content providers is baseless. Data yearns to be free, and the Macintosh is the center of this freedom. :rolleyes:

So you're not really advocating iTunes movie downloads, you're advocating piracy. Now I get it. I guess you'd be all for Blu-ray if you could steal them from your local store without getting caught.
 
Apple fanboi that I am, I think the AppleTV was a pretty weak device.
I like mine now, but mainly because I have hacked it into something useful.
C.

yes, there is now a lot more content, plus i've added ATV so it's open to all kinds of content, not just what Apple gives you.
 
macdrew, can you tell netflix that blu ray is dead and that they shouldn't charge people extra for blu ray discs? you'd be helping me save a few bucks toward getting my unlimited speed broadband and my petabyte drive to store all my HD content.....
 
So you're not really advocating iTunes movie downloads, you're advocating piracy. Now I get it. I guess you'd be all for Blu-ray if you could steal them from your local store without getting caught.

Nope. Thief would have to get up off his lazy rear, load up his gun, walk out the door, walk or drive to the store, rob the place, and then drive back.

Too lazy for all that. Too messy. Would rather sit at home and let his computer do the "work" of screwing over thousands of people at once.

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So you're not really advocating iTunes movie downloads, you're advocating piracy. Now I get it. I guess you'd be all for Blu-ray if you could steal them from your local store without getting caught.

I've never advocated anything in the iTunes Store, not sure where you ever got that idea. I'm helping people learn that content is largely free, and sure, if you had to still deal with an optical disc that is packaged and delivered to a store there is a "cost", but we aren't talking about that, we are talking about electricity and bits flowing through the air. Movies are the next to fall, just like Music did with Napster, so until they get the message than people are willing to pay $1, $2 for a first run movie, they will lose that revenue. Wish there was a better way, but they refuse to join the data revolution.
 
Ouch!

I can kinda see where you are coming from, I know someone who got burned because he sided with Betamax during the VHS era, still angry about it to this day.

But my point still stands, how many people did you ever see with a minidisc player? From your experience, how many discs/players were sold at the front of a shop? Was it a big section of the shop, or a small corner in a back room?

Minidisc was much bigger in Japan and Europe than in the US.
The only time an American had one was NEO's shoebox full of them in The Matrix!

People seem to be seeing this as a religious war. Only one technology will prevail. And I don't think it is like that at all.
But in time, I think all media will inevitably end up as files. The exact same points came up in the Minidisc vs iPod discussions.

In the short term, these are just different parallel business models at work, competing for ways to get money off the consumer. It's obvious why Apple are pursuing their model. Because, it is the only vision they *can* pursue.

I can see that model is not for everyone. But it is a bit strange how people take this so personally.

It seems to me unlikely that BluRay will become the dominant consumer format, because unlike DVD it has SO much more competition.

Not from iTunes.. Which has barely got going.

... but from DVD - which is cheap and plenty good enough for most people. DVD is noticeably better than Videodisk - which was considered a high-end collector format.

...from Video on Demand services and dedicated movie channels..

...and from high-quality illegal sources. When DVD came out - you could not download movies in an hour. Now you can locate an HD copy in an eyeblink.

Nowadays people have more choices. This does not mean BluRay is dead. But it might remain in a category for those hardcore collectors who genuinely think those extra pixels are beneficial.

C.
 
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