Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

[DoFoT9]

I went to the site but just wondered how well it would work with my G5, plus the cost, by the time shipping and the exchange rate is considered it's probably around $400 AU. When you can get DVD drives from $50 locally.

does the PM require IDE BD burners, or SATA? if the latter, just go grab a SATA BD burner! they are <$200Aus for a good one.

as you know, the Aussies are a much more advanced nation nowadays than us lot.

yeh.... cuz $120aus (~$100US) for 50GB a month is "advanced"

Yeah it's weird, we've been hampered for years with low quoter's and high prices and now it's flipped, when compared to the US.

man we still do have low quotas. im on 50GB with Bigpond. how can you call 50GB adequate? i cant even download iTunes content in bulk - because ill get capped to 64kbps!!!!!! the reality is that a large majority of users are still stuck with BigPond at the exchange, i cant get anything other then BigPond for ADSL2+ plans for crying out loud. 1st world country living with 5th world internet.

 

[Lancer]

does the PM require IDE BD burners, or SATA? if the latter, just go grab a SATA BD burner! they are <$200Aus for a good one.

I think they used IDE up until the Intel came along, my G5 is IDE. Guess they make an IDE model since that company say they work with PM G4/G5.

man we still do have low quotas. im on 50GB with Bigpond. how can you call 50GB adequate? i cant even download iTunes content in bulk - because ill get capped to 64kbps!!!!!! the reality is that a large majority of users are still stuck with BigPond at the exchange, i cant get anything other then BigPond for ADSL2+ plans for crying out loud. 1st world country living with 5th world internet.

Luckily I didn't go for BigPond for this vary reason when I finally made the move to ADSL, my connection might only be 1.5Mb but the data limit is adequate for my uses. I was stuck with $99 pm ISDN (128k) for years until Telstra shut that down, still I managed to average about 1Gb per day on that! So getting the unlimited package was worth the extra $10 per month. Moved to Wireless 3G $129 pm, much faster but limited to just 10Gb pm. So I know about crappy limits. Thanks good I'm now with WestNet and $79 60Gb pm, which I manage to use just about every Mb.

I'd rater have slower ADSL than ADSL2+ (which I can't get here anyway) and not be stuck with Telstra.

BTW I'm with Telstra for my iPhone, on a $35 pm business plan to give me the best coverage and with WiFi I don't use most of my crappy 100Mb data cap each month anyway.

 

[*LTD*]

Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

Nor do Macs need it, apparently.

The future seems to be here:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=832

 

[MorphingDragon]

Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

Nor do Macs need it, apparently.

The future seems to be here:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=832

That still doesn't address the internet issue, which is the main reason to use BD.

 

[DoFoT9]

I think they used IDE up until the Intel came along, my G5 is IDE. Guess they make an IDE model since that company say they work with PM G4/G5.

ahh i see - that would explain why they are so expensive!

OTOH you could always invest in a cheap PCI SATA card, would be cheaper then those prices anyway!

Luckily I didn't go for BigPond for this vary reason when I finally made the move to ADSL, my connection might only be 1.5Mb but the data limit is adequate for my uses. I was stuck with $99 pm ISDN (128k) for years until Telstra shut that down, still I managed to average about 1Gb per day on that! So getting the unlimited package was worth the extra $10 per month. Moved to Wireless 3G $129 pm, much faster but limited to just 10Gb pm. So I know about crappy limits. Thanks good I'm now with WestNet and $79 60Gb pm, which I manage to use just about every Mb.

I'd rater have slower ADSL than ADSL2+ (which I can't get here anyway) and not be stuck with Telstra.

BTW I'm with Telstra for my iPhone, on a $35 pm business plan to give me the best coverage and with WiFi I don't use most of my crappy 100Mb data cap each month anyway.

i def know how you feel, ive only had broadband for about 3 years - before that i was on dial up (400mb cap lol). seriously cannot wait for TPG or the like to come into my exchange (helloooo unlimited! ).

ahwell.

 

[Lancer]

That still doesn't address the internet issue, which is the main reason to use BD.

ITA

I've seen the WDC products and while they are good you still have that pesky issue of data caps. Why waste several GBs on a movie when you can pick it up and rent it for a few dollars and save your data for other needs.

I guess for the time being it's advisable to just get a BD player and be done with it.

ahh i see - that would explain why they are so expensive!

OTOH you could always invest in a cheap PCI SATA card, would be cheaper then those prices anyway!

I had trouble with a USB card (won't work after putting the G5 to sleep) so not sure how an SATA or eSATA card would go.

Maybe by the time I have enough money for a NEW Mac Jobs will have put BluRay into the iMac

 

[DoFoT9]

I had trouble with a USB card (won't work after putting the G5 to sleep) so not sure how an SATA or eSATA card would go.

Maybe by the time I have enough money for a NEW Mac Jobs will have put BluRay into the iMac

compatibility of the pre-Intel days was minimal - it takes a bit of research but there WILL be one that works somewhere out there

goodluck waiting for BDs in the iMacs btw hahahahaha

 

[RGunner]

Letter to Mr. Jobs

Steve,

Due to the fact that I have limited download bandwidth (25GB per month). I have determined I can no longer support the Apple operating system. I will build / buy custom PC's until you change your mind on allowing BD movies on Macs.

Thanks for your time.



EDIT: Thanks DoFo.

 

[DoFoT9]

^^

lol Apple Operating System Operating Systems.

playback is annoying, but ripping is better !

 

[Mal]

Steve,

Due to the fact that I have limited download bandwidth (25GB per month). I have determined I can no longer support the Apple OS operating system. I will build / buy custom PC's until you change your mind on allowing BD movies on Macs.

Thanks for your time.

Wow, that’s what made you switch? You must have really not cared for the Mac in the first place (especially since data caps aren’t a Mac issue).

Ciao. Can’t say I’m sorry to see the switch, enjoy using whatever you find most fits you.

jW

 

[*LTD*]

Steve,

Due to the fact that I have limited download bandwidth (25GB per month). I have determined I can no longer support the Apple operating system. I will build / buy custom PC's until you change your mind on allowing BD movies on Macs.

Thanks for your time.



EDIT: Thanks DoFo.

Make sure you have a BIG monitor to enjoy those movies on your PC.

I'm sure Apple won't miss you, since they're selling out of everything. Enjoy, though!

 

[seedster2]

I'm sure Apple won't miss you, since they're selling out of everything. Enjoy, though!

Everything except for the TV.

 

[Reddkryten]

Everything except for the TV.

HAHAHAHA! I think you just won!

 

[DoFoT9]

HAHAHAHA! I think you just won!

does that indicate that BD might be selling better lol?

 

[Batman101]

Blu-ray is not just for movie watching, its also for data storage. Its easier to burn a blu-ray disc that can be distributed to family members then giving them the USB stick and expected them to give it back.

Not to mention that phyiscal media last longer than traditional hard drive, it might change in SSD though.

 

[Zc456]

After getting constant e-mails over this thread, I've come to this conclusion: when Blu-Ray drives start becoming a standard on laptops, then you can start calling him whatever you wish.

These days movies come in two versions, Blu-Ray or DVD. However, unlike VHS, Blu-Ray is just another version of original CD only twice as big and can hold more AGAIN. Even with its benefits, it's still just a compact disc.

Look, we already have SD Cards and Flash Drives to handle our data. How much bigger do these damn things need to get!? The only thing I use my CD and DVDs for these days is to burn .iso files. There completely useless as data back up unless you want to run a live CD.

As for movies, I don't need anymore bells and whistles just so the studios can try and get me to buy a 3 disc Special Platinum Edition version of Avatar. When all I want to do is watch the damn movie and maybe a few making ofs.

 

[Lancer]

Blu-ray is not just for movie watching, its also for data storage. Its easier to burn a blu-ray disc that can be distributed to family members then giving them the USB stick and expected them to give it back.

Not to mention that phyiscal media last longer than traditional hard drive, it might change in SSD though.

ITA and if you just wanted BluRay for movie then go out and buy one of the now inexpensive Players and hook it up to your TV.

Yes much easier and cheaper to burn a disc for family and friends and if it's data the WOW so much on one disc.

As for lasting longer well that's debatable and IMO comes down to how you look after the HDD or BD. I've have USB thumb drives fail on me after a couple of years.

 

[Batman101]

ITA and if you just wanted BluRay for movie then go out and buy one of the now inexpensive Players and hook it up to your TV.

Yes much easier and cheaper to burn a disc for family and friends and if it's data the WOW so much on one disc.

As for lasting longer well that's debatable and IMO comes down to how you look after the HDD or BD. I've have USB thumb drives fail on me after a couple of years.

Like the other had said, you cannot take the movie theater with you, so i dont see why its so smart to have a blu-ray player on the macbook. And i bet no one wants to buy the same movie over and over again so i can watch it on my standalone blu-ray player and macbook.

 

[Lancer]

Like the other had said, you cannot take the movie theater with you, so i dont see why its not smart to have a blu-ray player on the macbook. And i bet no one wants to buy the same movie over and over again so i can watch it on my standalone blu-ray player and macbook.

Some movies now are being sold (at an extra cost) with DVD and BD in the one package, watch the BD copy in the living room on big TV and take the DVD in the car or laptop.

I agree a BD player/burner in a MacBook would be great with HDMI to hook put to a full HD big screen TV. My point was it won't be long before there will be portable player with save a 10 inch 16x9 screen and HDMI connection. The built in projector might be some time off but still possible, just needs power as I don't see it running ling on batteries.

But to be on topic we want BD in our Mac's, even as an option at start with, maybe if Jobs sees most people paying to have it they could become standard quickly?

 

[jfanning]

Steve Jobs Suggests Blu-ray Not Coming to Mac Anytime Soon

Nor do Macs need it, apparently.

The future seems to be here:

http://www.wdc.com/en/products/Products.asp?DriveID=832

How well does the Netflix streaming work for you in Canada? Or in any non US country for that matter? That only thing those WD TV will kill is the Apple TV

 

[nickane]

As for lasting longer well that's debatable and IMO comes down to how you look after the HDD or BD. I've have USB thumb drives fail on me after a couple of years.

People keep saying stuff like this in this thread but I can't think of a single longevity-related benefit an HDD offers over optical media. If you keep CDs/DVDs/BDs in the cases and don't use them as frisbees/coasters, they will outlast an HDD/SSD every time. SSDs vs. HDD, however, you could debate about for hours, since some SSDs are only able to hold data for a certain number of years, whereas HDDs can't survive shocks, etc.

 

[toke lahti]

That's a big if considering ISPs don't pay per data transmitted but based on link bandwidth.

And yes, I did work at a ISP before you ask how I could possibly know this.

And your experience is that there's no other factors in price than bandwidth, especially with international & backbone carriers?

Although I haven't directly worked at ISP, AFAIK, there are many different factors in price, the biggest one being QoS, which usually is defined how much bandwidth is guaranteed and dedicated and which are the endpoints of these connections and how to measure QoS.
I guess the price ISP's pay for other ISP's varies a lot and it really doesn't matter how ISPs pay to their upstream providers.

The fact reamins, of course, that when usage increases, ISPs need more bandwidth and with video they need even better QoS and consumer behavior makes the demand peaks even higher compared to average usage. So ISPs need more headroom in bandwidth.

Anyway ISP can always calculate how much the transferred data costed it, so it's irrelevant how they calculate it.

And 10 cents per gigabyte isn't much in peak usage. For example, when video streaming/downloading gets common local small ISP that has 10 000 households needs something like 200 Gbps bandwidth in primetime (evening 8 - 10 o'clock) with high QoS upstream if ISP doesn't produce those video services by themselves.

Any estimations how much that costs?

 

[Lancer]

People keep saying stuff like this in this thread but I can't think of a single longevity-related benefit an HDD offers over optical media. If you keep CDs/DVDs/BDs in the cases and don't use them as frisbees/coasters, they will outlast an HDD/SSD every time. SSDs vs. HDD, however, you could debate about for hours, since some SSDs are only able to hold data for a certain number of years, whereas HDDs can't survive shocks, etc.

But there have been some studies done saying DVD and such may only last 10 years if you're lucky.

But IMO your backups (or archiving) should be treated depending how much you value it. Keeping multiply copies is always a good idea and on different formats if you can afford it.

Now while BD is still expensive to buy it's a small price to pay compared to the value of your data or that home movie you can never make again.

The fact reamins, of course, that when usage increases, ISPs need more bandwidth and with video they need even better QoS and consumer behavior makes the demand peaks even higher compared to average usage. So ISPs need more headroom in bandwidth.

And another thing to to consider is congestion, I have a 1.5Mb connection but recently at times that's cut to 256k speeds because everyone else running through the exchange is using the network at the same time.

Last thing you want is to be watching a movie and it pauses as the data stream dries up, thus the need for movies n DVD and BD, streaming doesn't work all the time.

 

[KnightWRX]

And your experience is that there's no other factors in price than bandwidth, especially with international & backbone carriers?

Although I haven't directly worked at ISP, AFAIK, there are many different factors in price, the biggest one being QoS, which usually is defined how much bandwidth is guaranteed and dedicated and which are the endpoints of these connections and how to measure QoS.
I guess the price ISP's pay for other ISP's varies a lot and it really doesn't matter how ISPs pay to their upstream providers.

That's the thing though, you can't effectively measure data quantity caps to bandwidth requirements. You could cap all your users to 5 GB a month, but if all your users burst their 5 GB in the same 2 hour period, you're hosed.

ISPs pay on bandwidth and plan for peak bandwidth hours (usually 4 pm to 9 pm) like you said. QoS on pure Internet links is minimal, where I was, we reserved that stuff for telephony, since the IP network/backbone was dual purpose Internet and Telephony services. The telephony services didn't use the Internet upstreams, so the QoS implementation was mostly on our own backbone.

Plus a HTTP stream or HTTP download looks the same to QoS software. Unless you're using something like RTSP for your video/audio, you're not getting QoS for your Hulu or Youtube viewing pleasure (not to mention being a cable provider, what incentive did we have to make online streaming better ? Compete with our own VOD offerings ? )

And really, it was sometimes cheaper to have the level 1s just make up excuses for our failure to plan ahead or pay extra for bandwidth in the winter months.

So the "download" caps were/are just one big scam. For the longest time, we didn't even charge them to half of the customers because our monitoring software took a big dump on the old infrastructure after a router software upgrade from Motorola and a bug in the SNMP stack. It would make much more sense for ISPs to throttle bandwidth than data quantities in peak hours. Some do actually, on top of the caps. Download on-going for more than 1 minute at X bps ? QoS that mofo down at the last-mile router.

So while I was never privy to our actual cost of uplinks, talking to the network planner that was, about our only factors in price were who was selling the bandwidth and how much bandwidth capacity we had. Things might have changed, but I doubt it.

But there have been some studies done saying DVD and such may only last 10 years if you're lucky.

I must be lucky then, I again watched my now 11 year old Macross Plus DVDs just last weekend. Flawless as ever. Maybe I should try out my first ever DVD purchase, Costner's Robin Hood : Prince of Thieves. It too is 11 years old...

Then again, my Ride the Lightning CD still plays fine and it was purchased in the early 90s...

 

[Lancer]

I must be lucky then, I again watched my now 11 year old Macross Plus DVDs just last weekend. Flawless as ever. Maybe I should try out my first ever DVD purchase, Costner's Robin Hood : Prince of Thieves. It too is 11 years old...

Then again, my Ride the Lightning CD still plays fine and it was purchased in the early 90s...

Sorry I didn't clarify, the study was a (as far as I remember) for home burnt DVDs which are made different that store bought movies.

Thus my point, unlike what they promised not all DVDs are the same and some can fail after a relatively short period making your backups and archiving useless.