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Listen up guys, no point typing up responses on the forum.

God says no blue-ray for macs, then there won't be blue-ray for macs.

end of story.

by the time blue-ray arrives on Macs, PC world will move on to the next thing.

what is the next thing? ;)

Next big thing for the PC World? BIG party over the bankruptcy of Apple over not ever putting Blu-ray in the outdated overpriced crap they tried, unsuccessfully, to foist off as cutting edge computers.

:apple:
 
See Steve the optical disc in some form will be with us for a long time to come!

Hate to say it, but we'll be waiting for a post-Steve Apple before we see blu-ray in Macs. A few un-Steve-like things slipped through while he was on medical leave, so you can tell there are more responsive heads at Apple, waiting for their chance.

Part of the problem might be QuickTime, which seems to be having a complete re-write (hence the current reduced feature set) at the moment.

The biggest problem with blu-ray is the constant changes in copy protection, requiring constant firmware updates. I can see that Apple wouldn't want to play that game. DVD is bad enough. Blu-ray is definitely worse.

That aside, Apple makes the effort with DRM in iTunes, they could with blu-ray, if they WANTED to. Ladies and gentlemen… Stevie-don't!
 
The biggest problem with blu-ray is the constant changes in copy protection, requiring constant firmware updates.

Really? I've had BD players since the first generation Samsung BD-P1000 - and have only done one firmware upgrade (and that was because the Samsung was having trouble with some of the menus on newer discs). I've had my current Sony BD player about 3 years, and haven't applied a single upgrade.

I feel that you may be overstating the problem here....
 
Really? I've had BD players since the first generation Samsung BD-P1000 - and have only done one firmware upgrade (and that was because the Samsung was having trouble with some of the menus on newer discs). I've had my current Sony BD player about 3 years, and haven't applied a single upgrade.

I feel that you may be overstating the problem here....

At the risk of derailing the conversation…

How many Fox BDs do you own? They seem to be the worst offender. (Off the top of my head) Jumper, Indiana Jones 4 and Avatar were particularly troublesome. Tellingly, Avatar played on my first generation Sharp BD (no longer supported by firmware updates), but wouldn't even mount on a latest generation Samsung without an update.
 
To be fair, a blu-ray player refusing to play Indiana Jones 4 isn't exactly a bad thing :D

There's no difference between 4 and any of the other Indy movies. Myths just seem more mysterious and legitimate if they're really old and take place in another country. All the Indy films are corny and dumb, but I find the dislike of Indy 4 is more a failure of the imagination of the audience.

I watched 'Last Crusade' a couple of weeks ago (my favourite) and realised that I prefer 4 now. Can you really say the aliens in 4 are more ridiculous than the ark of the covenant or the holy grail?
 
At the risk of derailing the conversation…

How many Fox BDs do you own? They seem to be the worst offender. (Off the top of my head) Jumper, Indiana Jones 4 and Avatar were particularly troublesome. Tellingly, Avatar played on my first generation Sharp BD (no longer supported by firmware updates), but wouldn't even mount on a latest generation Samsung without an update.

Waiting for the box set for Avatar, don't have the other two. Do have the X-Men and spinoffs, Fantastic 4, Devil Wears Prada.

Maybe you're "playing them wrong"! ;)
 
At the risk of derailing the conversation…

How many Fox BDs do you own? They seem to be the worst offender. (Off the top of my head) Jumper, Indiana Jones 4 and Avatar were particularly troublesome. Tellingly, Avatar played on my first generation Sharp BD (no longer supported by firmware updates), but wouldn't even mount on a latest generation Samsung without an update.

Actually, there is a huge parallel between Avatar and Apple. Two run by guys way old enough to know better, however because of momentum from past successes and reliance on the ignorance of their current young target audiences, think they can foist substandard work on them and not get called on it.

Avatar's graphics were abysmal to anyone who didn't grow up on the even worse cartoon graphics of video games. To those folks, wowie zowie. Cartoon videogame graphics on the big screen. Circa Disney 1940.

Just like single-tasking iPads that won't play a friggin' simple flash video because Herr Jobs got mad at Adobe software covering the same bases as Apple's. Or "cutting edge" desktop computers you can't even pop a Blu-ray into and watch without jumping through a myriad of torturous hoops courtesy of der Fuhrer.

And unfortunately there's no Academy of peers in the computer world to spank Jobs the way Avatar got spanked at the Oscars.

And by the time the market does spank Jobs (and it WILL) Apple will have fallen too far to recover. And I don't care how much mad money they've socked up for that rainy day.

:apple:
 
Actually, there is a huge parallel between Avatar and Apple. Two run by guys way old enough to know better, however because of momentum from past successes and reliance on the ignorance of their current young target audiences, think they can foist substandard work on them and not get called on it.

Avatar's graphics were abysmal to anyone who didn't grow up on the even worse cartoon graphics of video games. To those folks, wowie zowie. Cartoon videogame graphics on the big screen. Circa Disney 1940.

I was mostly offended with the thinly veiled Pocahontas story and having an extreme eco agenda rammed down my throat. The cartoonish aliens were secondary.
 
I was mostly offended with the thinly veiled Pocahontas story and having an extreme eco agenda rammed down my throat. The cartoonish aliens were secondary.

I didn't mind the CGI, I was more disappointed by the 3D. Which IMO was not that great. I was annoyed when I worked out the main storyline about 15 minutes in to the movie.

So what's the chances of me being able to watch Avatar in 3D BluRay on my next iMac?
 
You guys bitch a lot.

Edit: Wheres the button that deletes my account? I'm sick of this place.

there isn't any button.

- create a new obscure password that you will forget in two minutes.
- place a fake email account on your profile.

enjoy your life.

yes, we will miss you too!
 
Next big thing for the PC World? BIG party over the bankruptcy of Apple over not ever putting Blu-ray in the outdated overpriced crap they tried, unsuccessfully, to foist off as cutting edge computers.

:apple:
eh. i dont think people are overly worried about having BD playback compatibility on their computers. most end consumers are worried about other things.

Who knows? Whatever it is, Macs will eventually get them. Macs get PCs hand me downs ;)
HA! bit of a cop out there! we have had lots of things first, some pretty big technologies too. :)
 
I think jobs is too busy trying to fix the iPhone 4 to worry about BD in the Mac's right now.

Too right! They thought the new antenna would lead to less dropped calls, not more (even if it's only slightly more).

To be fair, Windows doesn't support Blu-ray any more than Mac OS does. Yes you can read them and write them, but that's it.

Third party applications bring a better Blu-ray experience to Windows. Sadly, nobody's writing such applications for Mac. For DVD, Apple did all the heavy lifting first. That's not going to happen this time.

Lobby app developers !

edit: Tell them Mac owners are more likely to pay for their applications.
 
Too right! They thought the new antenna would lead to less dropped calls, not more (even if it's only slightly more).

To be fair, Windows doesn't support Blu-ray any more than Mac OS does. Yes you can read them and write them, but that's it.

Third party applications bring a better Blu-ray experience to Windows. Sadly, nobody's writing such applications for Mac. For DVD, Apple did all the heavy lifting first. That's not going to happen this time.

Lobby app developers !

edit: Tell them Mac owners are more likely to pay for their applications.
I think it's more of a PR problem with the iPhone 4 than an actual problem with the device. So far the problem is reportedly only affecting 0.55% of new phones.

Didn't know it was 3rd party solutions allowing Windows users to play BluRay on the PCs. If only VLC would support it on the Mac, in the same way I can use VLC to play R1 DVDs on my R4 Mac, yes I know it's more involved than that.
 
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