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I think it's more of a PR problem with the iPhone 4 than an actual problem with the device. So far the problem is reportedly only affecting 0.55% of new phones.

Didn't know it was 3rd party solutions allowing Windows users to play BluRay on the PCs. If only VLC would support it on the Mac, in the same way I can use VLC to play R1 DVDs on my R4 Mac, yes I know it's more involved than that.

iPhone 4 problem seems to be bad carrier network and the Face Detector, more than the easily reproducible, but typical of all phones 'antenna grip'.

VLC is the obvious choice. Does it work with the Apple remote and interwork with Front Row (at least the way EyeTV does)?
 
iPhone 4 problem seems to be bad carrier network and the Face Detector, more than the easily reproducible, but typical of all phones 'antenna grip'.
Well they should have the bigs worked out by the time I get one.
VLC is the obvious choice. Does it work with the Apple remote and interwork with Front Row (at least the way EyeTV does)?
VLC is a stand alone player for media but I don't thinks it works with those things.
 
Actually, there is a huge parallel between Avatar and Apple. Two run by guys way old enough to know better, however because of momentum from past successes and reliance on the ignorance of their current young target audiences, think they can foist substandard work on them and not get called on it.

Avatar's graphics were abysmal to anyone who didn't grow up on the even worse cartoon graphics of video games. To those folks, wowie zowie. Cartoon videogame graphics on the big screen. Circa Disney 1940.

Just like single-tasking iPads that won't play a friggin' simple flash video because Herr Jobs got mad at Adobe software covering the same bases as Apple's. Or "cutting edge" desktop computers you can't even pop a Blu-ray into and watch without jumping through a myriad of torturous hoops courtesy of der Fuhrer.

And unfortunately there's no Academy of peers in the computer world to spank Jobs the way Avatar got spanked at the Oscars.


And by the time the market does spank Jobs (and it WILL) Apple will have fallen too far to recover. And I don't care how much mad money they've socked up for that rainy day.

:apple:

WOW! incredibly 'profound' statement there?

Can you back it up with some facts?

Perhaps you're just trying to be obtuse? :rolleyes:
 
WOW! incredibly 'profound' statement there?

Can you back it up with some facts?

Perhaps you're just trying to be obtuse? :rolleyes:

NOW who's being obtuse? ;)

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I think ol' xbjllb has gone off the deep end. For whatever reason, he has tied his hatred of James Cameron with his hatred of no flash on the iPad and WW2 era Disney animation. hmmmm...

Something about Donald Duck in uniform that he finds unnerving, no doubt.

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Scary!
 
To be fair, Windows doesn't support Blu-ray any more than Mac OS does. Yes you can read them and write them, but that's it.

Third party applications bring a better Blu-ray experience to Windows. Sadly, nobody's writing such applications for Mac. For DVD, Apple did all the heavy lifting first. That's not going to happen this time.

Lobby app developers !

I too wish one of the big 3 PC Blu-Ray players (Cyberlink, Corel, ArcSoft) would do a Mac version. However, AFAIK Microsoft had to make changes in the operating system to support it (HDCP, PAP, etc.) otherwise the player would downscale/downsample to DVD quality if these protections are missing, by decree of the Blu-Ray rules.

They are OK with analog (VGA) connections but require HDCP on all digital (DVI/HDMI) connections on both ends, as well as a protected audio path for high resolution audio. Not sure on Apple's HDCP compliance on the computer or display side, but I'm betting it wasn't good and this is the big factor in the "bag of hurt". (EDITORIAL: I'm amazed they think people are going to pirate movies by intercepting unencrypted raw data over DVI, when we have the source material ON DISC, wtf?)

On the PC a program called AnyDVD HD defeats all this garbage so I haven't had to deal with it.

As for Microsoft, they didn't even include DVD playback until fairly recently (by licensing a subset of what it needed from one of the above three companies).
 
(EDITORIAL: I'm amazed they think people are going to pirate movies by intercepting unencrypted raw data over DVI, when we have the source material ON DISC, wtf?)

Yes, it's amazing that one can't even take screenshots of a DVD on a Mac with the built in screen shot tool (command shift 3). It's so easy to pull the data off and make a FULL COPY, but hell, no screenshots!

I think part of the "big bag of hurt" is that Jobs doesn't know what people are capable of doing on their own computers. Then again, if they have to redesign the guts of a mac to be hdcp compliant the whole way through, I could see that as a pain to redesign.

But it should have been in there in the first place...
 
Actually, there is a huge parallel between Avatar and Apple. Two run by guys way old enough to know better, however because of momentum from past successes and reliance on the ignorance of their current young target audiences, think they can foist substandard work on them and not get called on it.

Avatar's graphics were abysmal to anyone who didn't grow up on the even worse cartoon graphics of video games. To those folks, wowie zowie. Cartoon videogame graphics on the big screen. Circa Disney 1940.

Just like single-tasking iPads that won't play a friggin' simple flash video because Herr Jobs got mad at Adobe software covering the same bases as Apple's. Or "cutting edge" desktop computers you can't even pop a Blu-ray into and watch without jumping through a myriad of torturous hoops courtesy of der Fuhrer.

And unfortunately there's no Academy of peers in the computer world to spank Jobs the way Avatar got spanked at the Oscars.

And by the time the market does spank Jobs (and it WILL) Apple will have fallen too far to recover. And I don't care how much mad money they've socked up for that rainy day.

:apple:

Your parallel showing two people who are ginormously successful at consistently making products that people want to purchase is not a very good one.

Your comparing two people in different fields where the definition of success is determined by the consumers wallet, and your two examples have been weighed...they have been measured...and have been found to be beyond successful.

Accolades are nice and all but they don't stop that check from cashing.

As long as Jobs doesn't think that the lack of Blu is severely hurting sales, he won't add it as a feature.

But...data caps/prices are going to be a thorn is the side of the 'wireless/streaming future' Jobs is looking towards. Optical media is far from dead. Especially when looking at it as an ownership model.

If Apple TV had 1080p streaming AND Blu-ray playback capabilities, I would seriously consider it. I could then stream the movies I want to rent, and play back the movies I want to own infinitely. I know that Apple TV is a bit off topic for a thread about Blu ray on iMac's, but if one gets it, the other would too, IMO. Of course, for the above to happen, among other things Apple would have to offer 1080p movies for rent.
Hell, now that I think about it, I would buy 1080p movies from iTunes if I was allowed to burn one copy to a Blu ray disk. Yep, with the above features, Apple could potentially get every home entertainment dollar I have.
 
Bored. Apple will be tanking soon enough.

UNLESS they drop the toys and start focusing on computers again.

Just watch. I'll be back to dance on the grave, and you Jobsizens will be nowhere to be found.

:apple:
 
UNLESS they drop the toys and start focusing on computers again.

Just watch. I'll be back to dance on the grave, and you Jobsizens will be nowhere to be found.

:apple:

The "Toys" are keeping Apple afloat. Without the iPhone/iPod/iPad Apple would have dies years ago IMO.
 
Lets face it the guys a c@nt, only interested in raking the money in off crappy itunes store.
Suppose he figures it would affect downloads of his crappy 720p half high def movies
 
One would think. But apple is selling more macs than ever.
But that's thanks to the toys! I know that I am not alone (because I know others personally) when I point out that my first "mac" was an iPod and then an iPhone. Years of liking their toys finally made me enough of a fan to buy a MacBook Pro (I've now bought two). I'm not sure I'd have ever seriously considered their computers if they didn't lure me in with their toys, because until you actually use a Mac product, there isn't a very compelling reason to buy a Mac product. Just looking at prices and technical numbers, Mac products are not very appealing. Splurging a couple hundred dollars on a toy is easier than a couple thousand on a computer. And then you're hooked!

Back on topic, man I wish the mini had Blu-Ray. I'll fork over another $1000 to Apple for one as soon as that's available. Heck, I'd buy the current mini and add USB Blu-Ray to it for $99 if they'd just update OSX to play Blu-Ray movies.
 
But that's thanks to the toys! I know that I am not alone (because I know others personally) when I point out that my first "mac" was an iPod and then an iPhone. Years of liking their toys finally made me enough of a fan to buy a MacBook Pro (I've now bought two). I'm not sure I'd have ever seriously considered their computers if they didn't lure me in with their toys, because until you actually use a Mac product, there isn't a very compelling reason to buy a Mac product. Just looking at prices and technical numbers, Mac products are not very appealing. Splurging a couple hundred dollars on a toy is easier than a couple thousand on a computer. And then you're hooked!

Back on topic, man I wish the mini had Blu-Ray. I'll fork over another $1000 to Apple for one as soon as that's available. Heck, I'd buy the current mini and add USB Blu-Ray to it for $99 if they'd just update OSX to play Blu-Ray movies.

EDIT: Sorry if this sounds like an attack, I reread your post and now understand your intention. I still think there's some good truth here though.

You misunderstand. Apple is selling more Macs than ever before. They're not just making more money than ever before, the Mac business is up. Substantially. People are buying them. People that haven't before. People that have. Many, many people are buying Macs, of all varieties (from my personal experience, I would guess that the most popular models are the 13" and 15" MacBook Pros, the MacBook, and the iMac 27"). Apple is making lots of money from their Mac sales. They have no interest in letting that revenue stream decrease or disappear. They are mostly constrained by their own requirements for what tech they are willing to us, and by the supply of components, as with the rumor about there being a shortage of the chips they would use in an updated Mac Pro.

Apple chooses not to include Bluray. Customer's are still choosing Macs. Can't say I really blame Apple for not feeling too much pressure to include Bluray.

jW
 
But that's thanks to the toys! I know that I am not alone (because I know others personally) when I point out that my first "mac" was an iPod and then an iPhone. Years of liking their toys finally made me enough of a fan to buy a MacBook Pro (I've now bought two). I'm not sure I'd have ever seriously considered their computers if they didn't lure me in with their toys, because until you actually use a Mac product, there isn't a very compelling reason to buy a Mac product. Just looking at prices and technical numbers, Mac products are not very appealing. Splurging a couple hundred dollars on a toy is easier than a couple thousand on a computer. And then you're hooked!
ITA, the iPhone and iPod are bringing in new customers.
Back on topic, man I wish the mini had Blu-Ray. I'll fork over another $1000 to Apple for one as soon as that's available. Heck, I'd buy the current mini and add USB Blu-Ray to it for $99 if they'd just update OSX to play Blu-Ray movies.
ITA, the mini with BD would make a great addition to a Full HD TV in the living room. For gods sake Steve I've seen some big TVs now come with a BluRay slot in the side, just like you get with DVD on the iMac.

Just like other media it won't be around forever, at one point PowerMac towers had the ZIP and Floppy drives, move with the times Steve and allow us access to BD movies!
 
Speaking of Blu-Ray being a "bag of hurt", ie. "we cbf adding something new", when was the last time Apple added/upgraded a new port to the macs? (Excluding Mini-DisplayPort of course.)

It would've been FW800 or Gigabit ethernet I think, and those were ages ago. Sorely needing FW3200 and USB3 while we wait for lightpeak.
 
Speaking of Blu-Ray being a "bag of hurt", ie. "we cbf adding something new", when was the last time Apple added/upgraded a new port to the macs? (Excluding Mini-DisplayPort of course.)

It would've been FW800 or Gigabit ethernet I think, and those were ages ago. Sorely needing FW3200 and USB3 while we wait for lightpeak.

There have been reports the next round of desktop upgrades will bring USB3 and faster FW... I don't even use FW800 yet, my 400 is working just fine.
 
Final argument

I submit that anyone who believes that foisting 2-3 year old computer technology on the public while insisting it really is cutting edge is in for a huge and very nasty surprise once that company's BUBBLE created by marketing iToys to uneducated consumers inevitably pops. BUBBLES occur when uneducated naive new consumers flock to a perceived-as-new product FAD, market, or investment, and massive profits arise as seemingly everyone piles in.

However, inevitably the gloss comes off, reality sets in, the BUBBLE reveals itself to have been a pyramid scheme once everyone was in, and the money and interest and audience for whatever created the BUBBLE in the first place flees elsewhere. Steve Jobs and Apple cannot continue reworking old fads and even ancient computer technology (pre-flash SINGLETASKING) and market them as the next big fad forever.

Jobs is blinded by his own success, and refuses to accept any other possible paradigm. The man needs to sit down at the 65" Plasma he's been provided, the latest Blu-ray player, a great 7.1 surround system, and slap on his favorite classic film, or even something truly spectacular like the last Trek film, get over his cowardice for an hour or two, and THEN and only THEN try and figure out a way to bring THAT experience to Apple COMPUTER owners. It is obvious he never in his life has done so because it might truly pop his mental iToyworld BUBBLE. Instead of resurrecting a failed apple TV to be plugged into an iTunes store foisting crappy resolution compressed video to his audience and fighting uselessly and sillily against strapped governments who won't have broadband to all their citizenry worldwide until 2050 because of Worldwide Depression, why doesn't he have the software division working on software to make Apple iMacs and Mac Pros the center of a home entertainment system?

With more and more people unemployed and sitting at home, with prices for big screens coming down daily, it is only a matter of time before even the most modest home has largescreen capability, and will DEMAND Blu-ray to fill it. THAT is the future, not some pie in the sky dream that people will accept LOWLY quality because it has the barest potential of making Apple more trillions if they can only convince people to ACCEPT OBVIOUSLY and MARKEDLY INFERIOR DOWNLOADS, whatever the "instant gratification".

It is a battle Jobs and Apple will lose, because they've cast in with pirates and thieves and the lifestyle OF UTTERLY VALUELESS CONTENT NOT EVEN WORTH STORING for a second view or listen that being able to steal music for a business generation has produced. If not for the BUBBLE in their bottom line and their ability because of it to buy off the press completely, and the most ridiculous of halo effects from idiot iCrap purchasers buying obsolete computers, they've already lost. When that BUBBLE finally pops, and it will as all BUBBLES invariably do, Apple will be gone, and deservedly so.

Instead of foisting the lowest common possible experience upon all, how about figuring a way to provide the highest possible experience to all for a change? And ethical to boot.

I know. Far too much to ask of a god. Why bother when you can prop up your BUBBLE for five more minutes by raiding 60's Dick Tracy Sunday comics with wrist iTV's? Which Apple still won't beta-test and will only work if you hold your arm in two positions: Zieg Heil and Heil Hitler.

:apple:
 
ITA, the mini with BD would make a great addition to a Full HD TV in the living room.
PS3 did become success partly because it had bd.
Why Apple won't duplicate this success?
Those who want quality, won't accept anything less that has been available for years (bd).
Is Apple really going to offer bd-quality in new generation iTunes movies?
 
PS3 did become success partly because it had bd.
Why Apple won't duplicate this success?

In what sense is the PS3 a success?

It has lost a vast amount of money for Sony. The Playstation division of Sony has been consistently losing money since the introduction of the PS3.

And one of the reasons for the commercial failure was the problems that BluRay brought to the platform. It made the PS3 expensive and late to market.

I am not sure why Apple should duplicate anything that Sony does. Sony dug a deep hole, and then jumped in. It's not too smart to copy them.

C.
 
PS3 did become success partly because it had bd.
Why Apple won't duplicate this success?
Those who want quality, won't accept anything less that has been available for years (bd).
Is Apple really going to offer bd-quality in new generation iTunes movies?

i'm not even going to go near the whole bluray/mac argument, but the only reason i bought the ps3 was for playtv and bluray. i own ONE ps3 game (the wonderful heavy rain), the rest are far superior on the 360, so i buy the xbox version....
 
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