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Just to understand something, is LightPeak Fibre Optic? If so, how can it power devices? FibreOptics carries no power down the line.

Steve Jobs will puts rechargeable battery into each peripheral device. Why do you think Apple got into charger business a few months back?
 

Yes because I had a Core i7 computer just magically appear out of nowhere back in April 2009?

I walked into an Apple Store, and walked out in 10 mins, hour round trip and I have a Mac Pro up and running.

If I had to do that with a PC i'd have to research the parts, order them, wait for them to arrive, put them together, fault find if necessary, install the OS, do whatever is required and then I'm finally at the same stage as the Mac Pro.

How much time would that have taken? A day, minimum. Moving on, a component gives up after a year (mobo). Bugger, I need to buy a new motherboard, take it apart and **** about. With the Mac Pro I dump it on Apple's genius bar 2 years and 364 days later and they deal with it. Fantastic.

Ok, things have become easier to make a hackintosh, I agree. Would this mean I'd buy a self-build next time?

Not a hope in hell. I'll grab myself a second hand 3.33Ghz 6-core 5870 MP when the SB Mac Pro's come out.

You seem to have the attitude that you are better than people who have spent money on Mac Pros because you've saved some money.

Oh and I couldn't give two ****s that your CPU is at 4.2Ghz. Why do you think I (or any other Mac Pro owner in-fact) should care?

Been there. Done the overclocking scene. Got the T-Shirt.

Can you comprehend where I am coming from here??
 
One refresh at a time... Not to worry will get on the USB 3 right after we get the core i3's on the Macbook pro's, or the iPad 2 second Gen with front facing cameras & Blu Ray drives, SSD's, iphone 4 on Verizon. You get the message. In other words will get to it :D
 
You can also use Network, ethernet driven or FW800 for ext HDD. The problem is not one being faster or the other regarding HDD. The problem is the magnetic HDD is the bottleneck. SSD is changing this, however USB 3 for the majority of ext applications is limited.

A NAS with an actual interface speed higher than USB2 costs a fortune. Do your research. FW800 is hardly a big step forward, being only about 2x times faster, when the hard drives on the market can already go 4x faster than USB2. Current HDDs can easily push beyond 120-140MB/sec, while USB2 is maxed out at 40MB/sec. You don't need to bring in SSDs to demonstrate how much in need of USB 3.0 external drives already are. And HDDs are surely not the bottleneck here. Heck, even external DVD burners can't go at full speed because of the USB 2.0 limitations.
And of course there are the benefits of USB 3 actually delivering enough power for any 2.5" HDD. Right now, you sometimes still need those awkward, non standard-compliant Y-cables.
 
Heaven forbid Apple try and be a leader in the engineering field for a change and not just take a chance with design.

Typical though.

I'm waiting on USB3 for my next MBP purchase (unless they put the ExpressCard back into the 15", but that's unlikely since everyone LOVES the SD card slot instead, right?)
 
Oh - wait. A Macbook Unibody has only (two) USB 2.0. That was also really consumer friendly.

LOL, you actually think the average consumer has more than 2 things plugged into an entry level notebook at one time?

Lets see, the average consumer might have a USB flash drive plugged in and.............ya, exactly.
 
LOL, you actually think the average consumer has more than 2 things plugged into an entry level notebook at one time?

Lets see, the average consumer might have a USB flash drive plugged in and.............ya, exactly.

What about a data stick -> UMTS?
Oh wait. Some Sticks are so bulky, so that you can use just one USB port at the same time... :rolleyes:
 
But generally speaking, I get the impression that Apple is not exactly at the front lines in implementing cutting-edge technology in their Macs these days. They should be, with the price premiums.


That couldn't be more true.
While I understand that utter usability disasters like eSATA would never make it into a Macintosh, there's really NO REASON why backwards compatible, widely-accepted industry standards like USB 3.0 or BluRay shouldn't be in a Mac from day 1. There's no benefit for the customer. None. Nada. Nix. Zilch. Quite to the contrary, people pay premiums to receive old technology.
I know, free country etc. But it's a shame for a highly renowned company like Apple and especially for a CEO that tells everyone how cutting edge they are and how they would only move forward when at the same time they refuse to do just that.

Just to save a few bucks.
On a high-end premium product.
Because there is no other reason.

Steve, I'd be more than happy to pay the friggin 20 BUCKS more on my $1000+ computer and have a BluRay drive and USB 3.0. Because that's all it would cost.

And please, PLEASE, stop with the silly excuses as if BluRay licensing and 'low adoption' of USB 3.0 were really an issue. Because they are not. You are a $250B company, for ****'s sake. Didn't stop you from going forward with USB 1 back in the days, did it?? And doesn't stop you from selling music on the internet for a mere $1B revenue and virtually no profit.
God, SJ can be such a bad and transparent liar.
 
Bruce here has a point.. Apple wants Light Peak over USB3. They also want digital downloads over BluRay. Now while they "could" support both. It would hinder their goal of making light peak/digital downloads the new standard. Apple has a unique position these days. Everyone, both consumers and competitors are watching what they do. They have the ability to guide growth in the technology sector. The iPod changed the music player market and the iPhone repeated this. It effectively forced all the wireless companies to produce higher quality products and it heavily influenced Android.

I could go on and on but thats a waste of time. The point I'm getting at is Apple is leading the pack now, what they do ripples down to the others. I suspect we will never see USB3 support, or at the very least, only after Light Peak makes its debut.

Besides how many devices out there actually use USB3? I suspect very little.
 
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FYI, this monstrosity has never been a standard. It's a bodge job, put together by some people who were deperate at how stupid eSATA and how overdue USB 3.0 was.
 
USB 3, ok, not that I miss it but it would be nice. BluRay? Screw that. Optical media is only good for taking up space of components and adding weight to laptops. There is nothing an internal ODD can do that an external one can't. And seriously, does anyone even NEED to carry a laptop around and burn BluRay discs while on the go?


FYI, this monstrosity has never been a standard. It's a bodge job, put together by some people who were deperate at how stupid eSATA and how overdue USB 3.0 was.

Some HP laptops have had that as standard for a while now.
 
Bruce here has a point.. Apple wants Light Peak over USB3. They also want digital downloads over BluRay. Now while they "could" support both. It would hinder their goal of making light peak/digital downloads the new standard. Apple has a unique position these days. Everyone, both consumers and competitors are watching what they do. They have the ability to guide growth in the technology sector. The iPod changed the music player market and the iPhone repeated this. It effectively forced all the wireless companies to produce higher quality products and it heavily influenced Android.

I could go on and on but thats a waste of time. The point I'm getting at is Apple is leading the pack now, what they do ripples down to the others. I suspect we will never see USB3 support, or at the very least, only after Light Peak makes its debut.

Besides how many devices out there actually use USB3? I suspect very little.

Apple needs to fix up internet service provider gatekeeper before full digital download/streaming would take off :)

Better yet, with that BILLIONS of $$$ in the bank they should build a better internet infrastructure and have the service be included in the MobileMe subscription :)

It is stupid that where I am ISP lowered the bandwidth cap yet again (the day Netflix came to Canada.)
 
USB 3, ok, not that I miss it but it would be nice. BluRay? Screw that. Optical media is only good for taking up space of components and adding weight to laptops. There is nothing an internal ODD can do that an external one can't. And seriously, does anyone even NEED to carry a laptop around and burn BluRay discs while on the go?

Exactly the reason I bought a MacBook Air to replace my MacBook Pro :)

I don't use the optical drive and it is actually a FEATURE to have it removed!
 
Bruce here has a point.. Apple wants Light Peak over USB3.

Lightpeak is YEARS away. USB 3.0 has been around for months now. Are we supposed to skip everything that makes our computers better, just because something else is on the horizon? What a silly argument.

Besides how many devices out there actually use USB3? I suspect very little.

How can you have an opinion on the matter if you don't even know the basic facts? *sigh* You can buy PLENTY of external USB 3.0 drives. Use Google or find them at Amazon, I promise, it won't take long. The abundance of offerings has to do with the fact that USB 2.0 is almost 10 years old and modern external HDDs are 4x faster than their interface and people have wanted faster external drives for YEARS.
 
So you're telling me it costs an additional $1200 to upgrade the 3 GB of RAM in the base model Mac Pro to 12 GB.

I can buy 12 GB DDR3 memory kits for $250. That's only a 400% markup!

2 TB 7200 RPM drive for $300? Gimme a break. 100% markup.

An additional Radeon 5770 for $250? lulz. 66% markup.

No, I'm telling you that this guy did not spend $1000 on a hackintosh that is "equivelent" to a Mac Pro when the processor alone costs $1000+.

As for the rest... 12 GB DDR3 at what speed? Is it ECC? How many sticks at how many GB? Have you really researched what you'll need in the Mac Pro?

Otherwise, take a look at any computer manufacturer's website and build something there. Looks similar, huh? In fact, go to Dell and build a precision workstation with the same specs...amazed to find it's more expensive than a Mac Pro?
 
Then it is not a standard. A standard is something that is universally accepted.

Not quite. Something would generally be regarded as a 'standard' if the relevant standards body has given certification. In this case ISO/IEC. It's less to do with universal uptake and more to do with ensuring interoperability and consistency amongst manufacturers.

De-facto standards are more what you're talking about, although a lot of them end up being officially certified at some point anyway.
 
IMO, if a whole range of laptops has a feature, it's standard. For them. You want that feature, buy that computer, simple. But I get your point.

Just like, USB 2.0, USB 1.1, it was a standard, it is widely accepted, it was the norm for all, universal. USB 3.0 is not yet. If all manufacturers accepted it and embraced it, then it becomes a standard.

It is just apple that does not want to be on the USB 3.0 bandwagon. There maybe some technical reasons behind, who knows?

If it takes off then SJ is wrong in his assumption. There are a limited number of mobos that have USB 3.0 already. Everyone have the liberty to buy what he wants and can't push what he wanted to anybody's throat.

If we really wanted USB 3.0 on macs, then boycott all mac products until what we wanted is delivered.
 
Lightpeak is YEARS away. USB 3.0 has been around for months now. Are we supposed to skip everything that makes our computers better, just because something else is on the horizon? What a silly argument.



How can you have an opinion on the matter if you don't even know the basic facts? *sigh* You can buy PLENTY of external USB 3.0 drives. Use Google or find them at Amazon, I promise, it won't take long. The abundance of offerings has to do with the fact that USB 2.0 is almost 10 years old and modern external HDDs are 4x faster than their interface and people have wanted faster external drives for YEARS.


What's "years away" to you? 5 years? 10? Check this out: http://techresearch.intel.com/ProjectDetails.aspx?Id=143, first paragraph suggests we will see adoption of this technology in the very near future to "mainstream computing and consumer electronic devices in a cost-effective manner."
 
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