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That's not true, there are no apps specifically made for any iPhone model -- they're all just 480x320 points.

Apps aren't made for any specific iPhone model, they're all just 480x320 points. On the iPhone 3GS and lower one point is one pixel, and on the 4 and higher one point is two pixels. With a 1440x960 resolution, one point would be three pixels.

I can elaborate further if you wish, but put simply: an iPhone app is only ever 480x320 points. That means an iPhone app can scale properly to any resolution that is a multiple of 480x320.

Tell that to the developers of games and most of them will disagree with you. There are developers out there who want to control every pixel - and do so.

So please elaborate further. :)
 
I'm sure Steve 'worked closely' on the designs for the next 100 years like MR is going to claim, despite him having cancer and being unable to devote much of his real time on Earth to it in the end. :rolleyes:

Basically, I don't believe it.
 
The Fanbois can rest at last: they can finally start backtracking on their sincere belief that 3.5" is the optimal screen size for eternity. Bring out the popcorn.
 
I'm sure Steve 'worked closely' on the designs for the next 100 years like MR is going to claim, despite him having cancer and being unable to devote much of his real time on Earth to it in the end. :rolleyes:

Basically, I don't believe it.

My sentiments - to be fair he likely had some involvement in this particular version of the iPhone, but these stories are a little hackneyed.....the next iMac, Mac Pro, iPod, iPad, Apple TV.....we'll read the same story.
 
Who really cares about screen size as long as it's comfortable to use.. I'm sure it will be, but it is already too. I wouldn't mind a taller screen.. That's an interesting rumour.

Steve will have had input into stuff for a few years if think. His ethos was so strong that he'll carry on influencing things even when they're completely new. I don't believe anyone at apple isn't thinking "what would Steve say about this?" when they're in the design stages.
 
Tell that to the developers of games and most of them will disagree with you. There are developers out there who want to control every pixel - and do so.

So please elaborate further. :)
That's because an OpenGL ES app is the exception.

Any other iPhone app is coded at 480x320 points, you've no control over it. That's why any iPhone app you create works on any iDevice (iOS version aside) whether retina or not.

Let me give you a simple example:

You've got the iPhone 3GS (480x320), the iPhone 4S (960x640) and the theoretical iPhone 5 (1440x960), but all iPhone apps are 480x320 points -- that means you get 480x320 points of screen real estate on every device -- and that's why everything is the same physical size across all iPhone models.

You create an app in XCode (not an OpenGL ES app) and then place a button with the dimensions 10, 11, 30, 32.

When that app runs on the 3GS one point equals one pixel, so that button is at 10, 11, 30, 32. When that app runs on the 4S, one point equals two pixels, so that button is at 20, 22, 60, 64, and when that app runs on the 5, one point equals three pixels, so that button is at 30, 33, 90, 96.

There are no iPhone apps coded for 960x640 with the exception of OpenGL ES apps which do need to target the higher resolution, otherwise they're simply upscaled from whatever their targeting (e.g 480x320), but they can target any resolution just fine just like on a computer.

The only thing required of developers is higher resolution assets, and for OpenGL ES apps, to target the higher resolution. (Unless they already have it set to target the resolution of the device and not a fixed resolution.)
 
My sentiments - to be fair he likely had some involvement in this particular version of the iPhone, but these stories are a little hackneyed.....the next iMac, Mac Pro, iPod, iPad, Apple TV.....we'll read the same story.

I agree that his influence on the products will likely live on.

But how do you even start to back up such a claim? What's stopping Apple from releasing whatever product they want (heck, even an iCar?) and claiming that it was Steve's brainchild, both to appeal to fans and shut detractors up?:confused:
 
But you have to remember to make money (that's why they make these phones) they have to not only meet ergonomic standards but also market demand.

Its all about a fine balance.

Perhaps, but keep in mind the demand for an all touchscreen only buttonless phone was nonexistent prior to the iPhone. When it was debuted in 2007, no one said "It looks nice, but the screen could be bigger". No one really complained about the iPhones screen size at all. Heck people even chastised Dell for making the Streak AKA Dell mini 5, the original 5" tablet phone hybrid. And look now Android smart phones are pushing that as the norm, and some greater and now the public is starting to embrace that. I think it's an evolutionary process really.
 
It will be funny to watch Apple fanboys explaining why now the new size is the perfect size, and not the previous one ;)

But jokes aside, I'm guessing the new iPhone will have a "virtual home button" (and will get rid of the physical button) just like the Galaxy Nexus, so that compatibility with previous devices can be kept but the bigger screen can be used for films, 3D games etc..
 
My God, will they quit dragging Steve Jobs' name into the press to sell more phones?

"look, some of the di-hard 3.5"ers are antsy about the new 4" phone. I've got it! Let's say Steve Jobs is working on it from the grave!!!".

And the sad fact is they'll all fall for it and dutifully go out and get in line for the next phone just like they've been trained to do.

Apple's marketing team has no shame (but are damn smart).
 
Tell that to the developers of games and most of them will disagree with you. There are developers out there who want to control every pixel - and do so.

So please elaborate further. :)

Hi, 3d app developer here, we don't care that much. Our scenes are far larger than the shown area and most are built to scale. The UI is where there can be some issues, but going bigger is easier than going smaller by far. We want to make more money by getting our stuff out to many different platforms including the ipad and mac app store (as well as the many android devices around.) But thanks for your concern. We'll scale up just fine.
 
Reportedly Samsung has presold 9 million of the Galaxy SIII (very impressive given that it was announced less than a month ago), so apparently there is demand for large screens. While I think 4.8" is too big, the fact it is selling well indicates that a larger iPhone screen (at least 4") is pretty likely for the next iPhone.
 
Reportedly Samsung has presold 9 million of the Galaxy SIII (very impressive given that it was announced less than a month ago), so apparently there is demand for large screens. While I think 4.8" is too big, the fact it is selling well indicates that a larger iPhone screen (at least 4") is pretty likely for the next iPhone.

Sales to carriers or to consumers? I think the reuters source said these are 9 million pre-sales to carriers. Now if they all translate into quick sales to consumers, this is promising, otherwise, not that impressive.
 
Here we go - something tells me this "Steve Job stamp of approval" is going to be coming out for a lot of future apple products well into the future.. Seems like this man continues to change the world even after he has passed on.

I agree about the "Steve Job stamp of approval", being exploited in the (very near) future.

But it feels like I am being set-up for the disappointment I felt when I discovered that Mr Kipling and Uncle Ben respectively, were not part of their Quality Assurance teams.... :D

I stopped buying rice soon after I found out..:rolleyes:
 

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4" is a marketing gimmick as it's not that much bigger at all than the current iPhones. It's just a way to silence some vocal fanboys who threaten to jump ship to Google's walled garden of Google News, Google Search, google Wallet, Google Market, Google Drive, Google Music and what not.
 
Steve Jobs will be like 2pac, he will be even more active in the coming apple production now than what he was before.
 
Sales to carriers or to consumers? I think the reuters source said these are 9 million pre-sales to carriers. Now if they all translate into quick sales to consumers, this is promising, otherwise, not that impressive.
Samsung is currently the biggest phone manufacturer (in terms of shipped units) so it is likely that it will translate into quick sales given the attention it is receiving and Galaxy Nexus' success.
 
4" is a marketing gimmick as it's not that much bigger at all than the current iPhones. It's just a way to silence some vocal fanboys who threaten to jump ship to Google's walled garden of Google News, Google Search, google Wallet, Google Market, Google Drive, Google Music and what not.

The extra .5" diagonal makes a world of difference on a screen this size, IMO. I wouldn't want it any bigger than 4", and I think that's just what they're going to do.

This 'leak' or 'rumor' confirms it more than anything else for me. They're trying to be proactive in their defense of the larger screen. And what better way to placate the fanboys than "Steve blessed it".
 
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Unless my iPhone 4 packs in I will be unlikely to upgrade, the 4 with ios 5.1.1 does everything I currently need it to, and well.

This said I look forward to seeing what may be on offer in the next update of both the iPhone hardware and more importantly for me, the software.

By the way, shortly after SJ's death didn't apple say he had left them a line of new products for the next 10 years of updates? Not really suprising...
 
The extra .5" diagonal makes a world of difference on a screen this size, IMO. I wouldn't want it any bigger than 4", and I think that's just what they're going to do.

This 'leak' or 'rumor' confirms it more than anything else for me. They're trying to be proactive in their defense of the larger screen. And what better way to placate the fanboys than "Steve blessed it".

I'd rather you told me Johnny Ive blessed it, for he is the real design genius behind Apple products.

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Unless my iPhone 4 packs in I will be unlikely to upgrade, the 4 with ios 5.1.1 does everything I currently need it to, and well.

This said I look forward to seeing what may be on offer in the next update of both the iPhone hardware and more importantly for me, the software.

By the way, shortly after SJ's death didn't apple say he had left them a line of new products for the next 10 years of updates? Not really suprising...

Tech changes so fast, even if he gave a 10 year plan it wouldn't be anything other than a very rough sketch that is likely to be change significantly with every passing year.
 
Perhaps, but keep in mind the demand for an all touchscreen only buttonless phone was nonexistent prior to the iPhone. When it was debuted in 2007, no one said "It looks nice, but the screen could be bigger". No one really complained about the iPhones screen size at all. Heck people even chastised Dell for making the Streak AKA Dell mini 5, the original 5" tablet phone hybrid. And look now Android smart phones are pushing that as the norm, and some greater and now the public is starting to embrace that. I think it's an evolutionary process really.

Its not relevant what the original plans were, you said it yourself its an evolutionary process, tech moves on and so do peoples wants and needs.

When the iPhone first launched I was one of the guys with my Sony Ericsson cybershot thinking who the hell wants a touchscreen and telling myself - "I will never own one of those".

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not surprised, the 4S was probably a last minute thing

I don't think there's a hint of probability about it :D
 
I can see it coming. All the people that said anything bigger than 3.5" would be a mistake wait for it.... wait for it..... Here it comes. Them saying its the best size and this is what they always wanted


James

Don't forget, they'll also claim that the 4" and larger screen size wasn't done right until Apple did it.

Stocked for a larger iPhone 5 with iOS 6 that kills the stale looks of iOS 5. Might even make me wanna NOT pick up an Android.
 
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