I think you missed a sentence in my post, I mentioned that, thanks.
You don't think Steve Jobs changed the world with his foresight, innovations and skill to drive people to make cutting edge products?
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Steve Jobs 'Worked Closely' on Design of Next-Generation iPhone with Larger Display
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I think you missed a sentence in my post, I mentioned that, thanks.
You don't think Steve Jobs changed the world with his foresight, innovations and skill to drive people to make cutting edge products?
perhaps it's not penicillin or polio or whatever, but here's proof Apple's devices are making a difference
http://www.google.ca/search?q=kids+...s=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
It's not saying he's a 'God' per say, but to snuff off claims that the i-devices haven't made a huge difference for some people is baseless, to say the least.
The current screen size WAS the ideal size when the iPhone came out. But market change and it's good to see that apple now copies the positive things from Samsung etc.
Now learn a bit more from android and make the screen designs more flexible (why can't I have a nice big clock?) , have a file explorer (windows had that already 15 years ago) and make iTunes an option.
I hate that I cant transfer files between my iPad and iPhone.
Now learn a bit more from android and make the screen designs more flexible (why can't I have a nice big clock?) , have a file explorer (windows had that already 15 years ago) and make iTunes an option.
I hate that I cant transfer files between my iPad and iPhone.
Indeed. In fact, most of the work was done by Apple executives and their teams. It's the whole team who created these products.
I strongly believe Apple would have taken an harder hit if Forstall (software) or Ive (design) had died instead of Jobs.
Jobs was mainly a marketing guy - he was good at advertising and organising his businesses.
Remember the revolutionary click wheel that really made Apple big again? Not Jobs' idea.
I have stated a preference, I will of course judge at the time of unveiling, as we all will. But as I use my phone primarily as a phone, then as a web device, then foreverything else, I would prefer the next iPhone to keep the existing dimensions.
If the next iPhone came out with something akin to a 5" screen, I would upgrade to a 4S and see what happened in a year or two. It would also not be the first time that I have skipped generations of apple products because of a design I thought was counter intuitive to me (3rd gen nano, 3rd gen shuffle).
I understand the point that you make, but to me the width of the phone is a crucial element, too big and it feels awkward in the hand, weird against the ear and doesn't fit nicely in trouser pockets (and wouldn't fit at all in skinny jeans, many ladies bags etc - although I understand that pocket size is relative to fashion, so can fully understand it if for you this does not present a problem). Thinner is not always better (I prefer the 3GS in the hand compared to the 4).
In addition, I use my phone primarily as a phone. If my primary use was the web then perhaps my answer would be different. And as a phone, the current iPhone represents a very nice blend of phone and pocket computer.
File explorer? Those things are outdated. THe reason iOS is so simple and easy to use is due to lack of a file system. Any file you need can and should be directly accessed from whatever app you use.
Indeed! 4 years of drinking rain water instead of tap water and I've almost got enough!
Uh, tech companies DO have five year road maps. Which is not to say they know what those products five years down the line will actually look like, but they absolutely do have products at various stages (concept, mock up, lab prototype, test version, etc) way further out than the next version.
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that's selling him short. He was also a talented inventor in his own right, an inspiring leader, an excellent public face, and a perfectionist who demanded the best from others.
You guys seem to forget about the leaked design-document in 2011. Also, it was already known that SJ was working on the iPhone 5 untill his death. He kinda ignored the 4s because the time he had left. Don't know where I read that, but it was out there..
Also, I strongly believe this will be the iPhone 5:
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/10/this-could-be-what-apples-iphone-5-looks-like/
We knew this in 2011. It was so weird to see all these leaks and actually have access to this specification document, and then we got the 4S lol. So where did the design go? I believe it's the real iPhone 5 we'll get in a few months. Mark my words.
Also, I strongly believe this will be the iPhone 5:
https://www.macrumors.com/2011/08/10/this-could-be-what-apples-iphone-5-looks-like/
We knew this in 2011. It was so weird to see all these leaks and actually have access to this specification document, and then we got the 4S lol. So where did the design go? I believe it's the real iPhone 5 we'll get in a few months. Mark my words.
No. I don't think consumerism is a source of human change or a positive impact on humanity at all.
Not to mention that people aren't arguing whether Steve's ideas about products were bad or good, they are saying it seems that his legacy will be abused. "Anything good was decided by or had Steve's touch and anything bad is a post-Steve endeavor".
As if Steve was the sole innovator or driving force behind Apple, and as if Steve never made any mistakes. Elevating the man to some form of godhood and perfectness is not proper respect of his legacy.
That is what people are negative about. Not everything needs to be "Steve's last project" to be good.
Of course Apple is concerned. It was obvious to me, and it became more apparent after seeing that Apple has started to 'leak' this type of info.
There's just one more thing...
If Mr Jobs worked on it then we know it's going to be a great new iPhone... If only we could here him say - "There's just one more thing..."
The big news will be the iPhone's after this one. Without Steve Jobs...
If Mr Jobs worked on it then we know it's going to be a great new iPhone... If only we could here him say - "There's just one more thing..."
The big news will be the iPhone's after this one. Without Steve Jobs...
During Apple Antennagate...
I remember reports stating that they saw THREE phones under black cloth that would of resembled (maybe) the next three generation of iPhones. If that was the case... the 5th, 6th, and 7th generations of iPhones were already in the making when the iPhone 4 came out...
Which also means... they would of known what the 5th gen (iPhone 4S) was going to looks like months before his passing... so Apple might have already had a prototype of what the 8th generation iPhone would look like...
Steve Jobs, along with Apple, is definitively a head of the curve... Android and WP7 users may looks at our iPhones and think its "old fashioned", "boring", or "a little screen"... But Apple is smart. They let the market play with some ideas first... then Apple comes out with their take on those ideas and blows all other manufactures out of the water!
I remember reports stating that they saw THREE phones under black cloth that would of resembled (maybe) the next three generation of iPhones. If that was the case... the 5th, 6th, and 7th generations of iPhones were already in the making when the iPhone 4 came out...
Which also means... they would of known what the 5th gen (iPhone 4S) was going to looks like months before his passing... so Apple might have already had a prototype of what the 8th generation iPhone would look like...
Steve Jobs, along with Apple, is definitively a head of the curve... Android and WP7 users may looks at our iPhones and think its "old fashioned", "boring", or "a little screen"... But Apple is smart. They let the market play with some ideas first... then Apple comes out with their take on those ideas and blows all other manufactures out of the water!
Well, Steve had a unique ability to see beauty and usability where others see problems and failiure. And not only that, he had the ability to convince people that he was right. He had this from the beginning. XeroX had a great concept going on about a graphical UI and a mouse. The management didn't believe in it because they thought from inside the box, which was textbased operating systems. O boy, how wrong were they. Steve noticed in an instant that this was the future. He had a rare gift about predicting what was right and wrong. Besides that, he was a great micro manager to get remarkable things done.
Of course he couldn't do this alone, there are great people within Apple. But he will be missed, and the lack of his opinion can be a huge problem for Apple in the future. They need a visionair that knows what is right or wrong. A man who people look up to and have great respect for. Cook isn't the man for that. Johnny Ive can fill that in partially, but in the end they need a new icon for the company to keep it as succesful as it is today.
That's a pretty good point. It makes me think of the Chicago Bulls with Jordan (say, Ive or Forstall). If Jackson had left or been fired the team still would have been pretty great.
When Steve worked closely on a larger iPhone, there will be no more saying '3.5" is enough for a phone' comments because Steve said otherwise
Even if he didn't...
If you're Apple, and you're unsure about a product, what do you do? You say Steve worked on it and wanted it.
Maybe he did, but I find this a little peculiar.
I think 3.5" can be adjusted to larger if they if they can make the overall device the same size. I'm thinking bezels less wide or modify the home button or speaker/camera area to be smaller. Seems like there could be some changes to keep the overall dimensions the same.
Main assumption that Apple is making is that it should be used one handed and the statistical size of thumbs ... I suppose they could change that assumption but try to make key gestures accessible one handed like answering the phone. The big one which won't work well with the taller screen is pulling down the notification center. I have some difficulties pulling it down now easily with my thumb and an extra distance is going to make that more difficult.
MY SUGGESTION, Apple includes thumb extenders with every iPhone!
Main assumption that Apple is making is that it should be used one handed and the statistical size of thumbs ... I suppose they could change that assumption but try to make key gestures accessible one handed like answering the phone. The big one which won't work well with the taller screen is pulling down the notification center. I have some difficulties pulling it down now easily with my thumb and an extra distance is going to make that more difficult.
MY SUGGESTION, Apple includes thumb extenders with every iPhone!
I'm sure many of the products coming out in the next year or two will be heavily influenced by Steve. I'm very curious to see exactly how Apple will implement a larger screen on the phone... hopefully we'll see this sooner than later...!
I wouldn't be surprised if he, knowing his time was short, recorded some video to be played at the event. Imagine Tim Cook saying "One more thing...", and it'd be Steve Jobs on the screen introducing HIS "One More Thing".
Nice to imagine.
Nice to imagine.
hang on 3g, hang on!
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then the leaked iphone button from last week would be wrong
I think this is counter to quite a bit of the real history behind Steve. He didn't have any unique abilities to see beauty or usability or anything. He wasn't only able to convince that he was right.
He made a lot of mistakes. He learned from them. He also wasn't afraid to change his vision or his mind when shown why it was wrong. Many things Apple did over the years weren't the fruit of Steve or even Steve's willingness. He balked at many projects that went on to be great successes for Apple.
He forced people to convince him at times. He was dragged kicking and screaming in quite a few instances.
What Steve was and probably still is the world's best salesman. No matter what he said in the past, no matter what he thought initially of the project, when he got up on that stage, he had you believe that this was right all along and this was now the way. And that is why people flocked to Apple. Steve had an aura for marketing his products.
There's a ton of good designers and engineers at Apple who understand usability, features and aesthetics, I'd argue even moreso than Steve. There's a reason they are at Apple and that Steve kept them around. If it had all been out of his mind, he would've worked alone.
It's sad to see that this will be perverted to satisfy some kind of "Steve" fetish amongst consumers, that now, everything great will have "Steve's last legacy" and everything that fails will be "those post-Steve guys".
There was that, but there was also Apple's ability/preference to focus on "doing it right" rather than "keeping it cheap".
Any other company could have come up with aluminum unibody construction, or laptops loaded with connectivity, or taking out the optical drive to make room for bigger batteries. But any other company wouldn't have done it. "Well, that would be nice, but it would cost way too much." "Well, that would be nice, but our competitors all have optical drives, we need to have one too." "Well, that would be nice, but..."
Any other company wouldn't, or couldn't, do some of the braver things that Apple did (such as taking out the floppy drive or optical drive). If HP tried that, people would revolt and buy Dells. But Apple built itself into a nice spot where there was no competition (if you want Mac OS anyway) so that meant (a) you pretty much had to accept whatever decisions they "forced" on you, and (b) they could charge whatever they wanted. So they began to sell their products as premium featured for a premium price.
And it worked. People were initially upset over whatever change Apple introduced but quickly said "You know, they're right, this is better."
That actually sounds morbid.
I can't say for certain but I'd assume Steve Jobs' family and personal life came before the Shareholders of Apple towards the end. If not, he had serious problems IMO. To make secret recordings from your deathbed in an effort to increase the corporate coffers... well, it sounds like that person would be "misguided" in attaching too much self importance to what they did in life - at least things that mattered anyway. We're talking electronic gizmos here people... not world peace or the quest for some elusive cancer cure.
Let the man rest and allow his family to move on beyond "Apple".