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Still can't download 100mb + app over cellular? Really?
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Because collectively people are stupid. Witness the idiots raving about WiFi Assist. Apple has to pick a number, that's the number they chose. Deal with it or move off the platform.
I did deal with it and downloaded the game at home. I just wondered if there was a good reason why there's no choice. I'm allowed to stream as much video as I want to eat up all my data but I'm not even allowed the OPTION of downloading a larger app over cellular. I absolutely agree that it shouldn't download it by default and that there should be a warning, it just seems reasonable to allow the user to choose to use the data if they want to.
While I can see your point (and not necessarily agree with it) there is still a key difference between tiered data plans and plans marketed as unlimited: how the user is penalized for high data use. While inconvenient, throttling is clearly a less user-hostile network management approach than automatically assessing an overage fee and giving the user all the rope they need to hang themselves with. That's where the "limited" part of tiered plans come in.
It's a vestige from 2008, when the App store first launched and AT&T still had a few more years of iPhone exclusivity. While AT&T was not allowed free reign over what could/couldn't be installed on iPhones, they did manage to persuade Apple to give them a small amount of say on how things could be installed. It used to be even worse: if I remember correctly, the restriction started out as either 30MB or 50MB, but after a couple years was increased to 100MB.
The concern was that AT&T's network would be incapable of handling the traffic of "large" items being downloaded from millions of iPhones who all had $20 unlimited data plans at the time. And they were right: AT&T's 3G network truly sucked at the time, and was hard to use even with the restriction in place. And network exclusivity both thrashed AT&T's network and gave them zero incentive to improve it... because where else were you gonna go?
Today, the iPhone isn't exclusive to one carrier, and the networks are in much better shape, but this restriction hasn't been seriously re-thought. And the larger Tier 1 networks probably aren't clamoring to re-think it. Congestion, while not as bad, is still a problem in some cities.
And they probably do fear the idiot user who would otherwise never be prompted to turn on their wifi, downloads Infinity Blade III and Disney Infinity: Toybox 3.0 on their 1GB data plan, then freaks out over why their bill is so high, prompting the class action lawsuit.
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well i have always used my ipad via wifi/android phone so i was "wtf!? just die apple!" - what could i have done when i had no access to wifi and i only had iphone with me!? so never seen this before...
This is why I think it's funny that people criticize the MacRumors posts about jailbreaking and asking why people still do it now. As iOS gets more open and capable, jailbreaking gives you even more to do.
Agreed. And almost every iOS 9 feature was taken from the jail breaking community as well.
This is very true. I've seen stuff like multitasking, two finger slide over keyboard to control cursor etc all the way back in iOS 6 days. While I'm glad that stuff like that has become regular features, the jailbreak community should get a lot of credit for creating the first implementations.
I'm amazed that the ridiculous file size issue still persists. How hard is it to add a simple option "limit file downloads over cellular to ___ MB" to the App Store app?
It's **** like this why I don't like iOS on a phone. I'm fine with it on a tablet but feel like I would have to take the hassle of jailbreaking to just change simple stuff like default browser.
Apple proactively preventing class action lawsuits from people going over their data because someone didn't stop them.
It's because people are not bright. Especially parents. Can you imagine if that limit WASN'T there and a kid was downloading apps, saw the noticed but tapped ok anyway while in the car or out and about? Yeah, parents not parenting is why that limit is there.
Turn it off, Apple get's blamed for HIGH/OVER data usage because it's all their fault! Leave it on, Apple is horrible for not giving us choice! Can't win.
One legitimate reason for Apple wanting to avoid over 100MB downloads on unlimited would be the battery. Cellphone signals can take up more battery power than Wi-Fi, so they may want to limit the downloads so that you don't waste your whole battery on an update that got queued.
But I'm able to do it on my android. Apple could simply put a warning that says "this app is over 100MB. Data charges could happen" That way the customer can't say "well I didn't know". If Google can do that on android, surely Apple can do the same. It's no excuse for Apple trying to tell people how much they can or can't download. I paid for this phone, not Apple. I pay my Verizon bill, not Apple. So I should be able to download as much as I want without Apple telling me I can't.
The headache of angry customers shouting at Apple because their kid used their entire data allotment in five minutes is likely not worth the hassle. Before it was technology limitations. Now it's telco limitations. Most people don't have unlimited data. I'm not saying I'm happy the limits are there, but I can understand why.
Move back to android then....
It could be.... Or a combination of both
Agree.
and what is your advice to people who only have cellular connections? "buy something else" ??
how about apple coming to this century and letting us to decide how to use our connections we have paid for...
doesnt make sense at all...
do you really think that it matters to carriers, if you are downloading 1gb from apple server or from netflix, hulu, viaplay, cmore, clouds for example?
nothing to do with carriers. you are still using the same amount of data whether it comes from appleserver or from somewhere else.
apple is the only one who controls this.
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Reality check: even on Windows phone 8.1 you have the same 100 Mb limits.
So the one that have to come to this century is Android, where nothing is controlled (even malware, with the recent discovery of malware capable of auto-rooting your device).
Go back there if you wish: your avatar seems to imply you belong to it.
So you need to start fighting with people when you really dont have anything left to defend apples decision?
And you didnt give any answer how to download apps if you just own cellular? Because lte etc is widely used nowadays many people dont even have physical internet access anymore. Im thinking of ditching my cable modem and start using only lte.
And android is well controlled, btw, but it is not heavy restricted to be useless.
And you didnt give any answer how to download apps if you just own cellular? Because lte etc is widely used nowadays many people dont even have physical internet access anymore. Im thinking of ditching my cable modem and start using only lte.
And android is well controlled, btw, but it is not heavy restricted to be useless.
On a little related note. Those on tiered data plans. The carriers should disable data once the tiered data limit is ready so as not to prevent over charges.......oh wait. Carriers want to make more money for u being .01mb over and charge u $10-15 extra like what happens to my brother with Verizon.
At least Apple is looking out for u in this case. Over 100mb can eat into tiered data users very quickly cause some apps are 1-2gb
At least Apple is looking out for u in this case. Over 100mb can eat into tiered data users very quickly cause some apps are 1-2gb
If apple tends to be your father, who is going to watch over your shoulders how much you use data while browsing, listening music/etc, downloading or watching movie clips? Should youtube set a limit too? You need to register to watch clips and in some point the apps says "sorry babe no more today!"?
How about downloading couple of apps around 50-75mb? How does it differ from downloading just one app sized 105mb? It doesnt.
Apple could easily put a switch to settings to restrict all data usage set by a user, not only apple related apps and set by apple. They could keep it as a default but let the user to change it or turn it off. There are already switches which apps can use cellular and which dont.
Many of us have also unlimited cellular data.
The restriction is also so artificial. I have cellular data both on my devices: iphone and ipad. When i connect my iphone to use ipad cellular there is no restriction. It let me download apps whether it is 105mb or 1gb. And it all comes via cellular.
How about downloading couple of apps around 50-75mb? How does it differ from downloading just one app sized 105mb? It doesnt.
Apple could easily put a switch to settings to restrict all data usage set by a user, not only apple related apps and set by apple. They could keep it as a default but let the user to change it or turn it off. There are already switches which apps can use cellular and which dont.
Many of us have also unlimited cellular data.
The restriction is also so artificial. I have cellular data both on my devices: iphone and ipad. When i connect my iphone to use ipad cellular there is no restriction. It let me download apps whether it is 105mb or 1gb. And it all comes via cellular.
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Apple should just include a setting that allows you to disable it. Done. Problem solved.
But Apple owns you and restricts you on many things.
But Apple owns you and restricts you on many things.
There are a lot of thresholds in life. Make one cent money than $x dollars and your taxes go up. Buy a lunch from a buffet that is .01 ounce over the threshold and you pay more, etc. 100mb is the line in the sand. Maybe one day they will allow an override.
yes, very well controlled: http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...k-apps-impossible-to-wipe-only-affect-android
lol
In my mobile plan I have a WiFi LTE modem with 7 Gb/mo (to be added to the 3 Gb/mo of the phone plan) included for a little money. Easy solution.
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Stop saying "many of us have unlimited cellular data", since it is a plain lie.
There are a very few truly unlimited data plans worldwide ....