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Still can't download 100mb + app over cellular? Really?
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It is a common to have unlimited data here where i am. Unlimited contracts sell here well while people avoid those limited plans..
If your service provider sucks it doesnt mean that rest of the providers are as bad. I know it is common to have high bills and low data with certain providers in some countries even in europe. But there are also lots of providers who dont work like this.
You must be in the only place in the world where unlimited cell contracts can be freely had.
Dude , that's just plain false.
I'm traveling around the Europe, and not only Europe, on a daily basis for work, and I know very well data plans.
Unlimited data plans are very rare and extremely expensive.....
I'd call that BS .....
There are some unlimited data plans, but it's far from being common ....
Sorry but it is a reality here.
http://tefficient.com/finland-the-land-of-three-thousand-megabytes2/
And they are cheap. I pay zero euros using cellular on my ipad (it is called "dual broadband", and my isp is providibg it for free because i have their cable (30e per month)). I have slower connection in my iphone and pay only couple euros per month because i have the cable from the same company (it is like -50% from the normal prize).
Even without these contracts cellular data is cheap and unlimited here if want to get one.
This is just one provider
https://www.dna.fi/fi/liittymat
But you get the idea...
http://tefficient.com/finland-the-land-of-three-thousand-megabytes2/
And they are cheap. I pay zero euros using cellular on my ipad (it is called "dual broadband", and my isp is providibg it for free because i have their cable (30e per month)). I have slower connection in my iphone and pay only couple euros per month because i have the cable from the same company (it is like -50% from the normal prize).
Even without these contracts cellular data is cheap and unlimited here if want to get one.
This is just one provider
https://www.dna.fi/fi/liittymat
But you get the idea...
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Yes, I get the idea that unlimited is extremely difficult to come by at a reasonable price for most consumers.
Finland is one of very few countries where the unlimited data proposition still prevails
Exactly my point.
Finland is a "small" country (not in the geographical meaning) with only 5,5 million of citizens. It's not representative of european or USA situation.
Italy has 60 millions of citizens, Germany 81 millions, France 66 millions .... unlimited data plans are very rare there.
It lawyers and stupid people who assume every time they don't know what they are doing that they should sue and make lawyers rich. Should it be able to be over ridden? Probably, with several warnings before it actually lets you proceed and maybe sending you a message also. Maybe a special code you have to enter.
I mentioned a likely cause and you may have missed it. Apple likely doesn't want the headache of people "accidentally" getting hit with overages. When making a product like this it is much easier to make ubiquitous settings worldwide. You will notice that settings don't really change in big ways from a phone sold in the US versus a phone in Asia versus a European country.
I can also site that Apple is already being sued in the good old U S of A for iOS 9 dropped poor wifi signal in favor of a cellular signal due to "potential overages". For Apple, a slight inconvenience every now and then to the customer is worth avoiding giant lawsuits around the world. IO really think it is that simple.
Again, this doesn't make me happy, but I try to be a realist. I am sure this adversely effects an incredibly small number of people. While I am not trying to downplay the inconvenience you had to endure, it's just not a problem for most. And to those who do find it a problem, it ends with "ooh well I will do this later when I am back on wifi".
If Apple wouldn't have made the WiFI/cell switching default without warning, there wouldn't be nearly the same concerns. But it's a hidden change to many users. Not the same thing at all as a user deliberately choosing to allow a download while on cellular data.
IMHO... Apple did this LONG ago, like right from the first iPhone. And that made much more sense back then, given the data plans and data charges and small app sizes. They just can't be bothered to make a change that has become more relevant given larger data plans and larger apps.
In any case, Apple does what it does, and our opinions doesn't matter too terribly much. Just keep sending our money to them, and it's all good.
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I'm Not exactly true in the UK. The majority of plans we sell in store are 3gb minimum. It's partially because data is more affordable now than it's ever been. And with EE and O2 limiting your data usage anyway when you use all your allowance, it's not a big issue if you burn it all away. Unless you're unfortunate enough to be on Vodafone. Then you're screwed. I can see the limit changing with a near-future iOS update anyway though, makes no sense to leave it there much longer.
Since I have (truly) unlimited data here in the UK this is a headache. I don't have internet at home so my iPhone provides me with all my internet needs. Life would be so much simpler if I could go to iTunes and download my movies and TV shows straight to the iPhone, rather than using the hotspot and logging onto the Mac to download, and then transfer to the iPhone. Apple really should really let users choose their own download caps.
Well, they changed the 100mb defualt without warning as well (used to be 25mb or something) too. I don't think you are wrong, but I still think someone somewhere would throw a fit that their kid downloaded a 2 gb game on their 500mb data plan and the game just cost them $100.
The converse of that is a few people on some forums being mad about a 100mb app limit. No lawsuits. No expecations of monetary compensation, etc. I hate to admit this but this is, in my opinion, a wise busines move.
Right. Because a kid won't burn through that watching minecraft videos...
There's already controls for locking down downloads and App Store purchases. Apple could easily piggy back off that. But they aren't.
It's not that big of a deal for me... I've got wifi at home and at work, and hotspots every 50' on my way between. I'm just sympathetic to the OP and people in similar situations.
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A kid can. The difference is that in one case it would be downloading something from the App Store that is controlled by Apple and inherent to an iOS device, and in the other is that it's some data usage from another service (YouTube or something like that)--meaning in one case people can easily make the connection to Apple and go after Apple, while in the other it's not such a straight connection and certainly a way out for Apple.
If it wasn't clear, I am on your side. This is an incoveniece, but I am saying APple views it as just that. An inconvenience. And the potentail ramifcations are likely worse. It would take much more time to blow through 2 gigs of data watching minecraft videos than downloading that same size app, simply because a stream is much more limited in how much data per second is flowing than an app download, which is theoretically downloading at maximum capacity/. Every provider I haev been with sends a text when a large chunk of monthly allo0ted data has been used. This won't likely happen in time mid download.
But instead of this back and forth, let's try and think of areasons Apple hasn;'t changed this. Because they obviously haven't. I have given my best guess. And, despite the many responses to this thread, I haven't even really heard another/better hypothesis.
My guess is that they baked this in long ago, when data limits were much tighter. And since it doesn't really add much actual functionality, it's not worth the development effort to change it, since users aren't clamouring for a change.
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Well, they have raised it a few times, which means they have been looking at it and doing something about it. They could potentially raise it to 200 MB, or 500 MB, or even 1 GB just as easily as they did before.
Data limits weren't ever as tight as they are now though. They started out unlimited when Apple launched the iPhone (and shortly after the AppStore) in the us and stayed unlimited (here at least because to was at exclusive) for years.
There should definitely be an option for those that mostly use cellular. I while back a buddy of mine was moving but he had to sell his house before construction was done on the new house, in the transition he was staying with his mother who didnt have wifi. He had to track down free sources of wifi to update apps and such, kind of a ghetto solution (for lack of better words) imo.
Meanwhile you can blast through hundreds of MB in a few minutes on FaceTime. The quality of FaceTime (nothing fantastic) vs data used still surprises me at times.
Meanwhile you can blast through hundreds of MB in a few minutes on FaceTime. The quality of FaceTime (nothing fantastic) vs data used still surprises me at times.
We get it. But everything country is different.
In the USA majority broadband providers home internet give truly unlimited data to download.
So most of us do our updating when we are in our home wifi network.
But many countries internet home providers limit downloading so people cannot stream unlimited home internet.
Plus I wouldn't be in a rush to "update" and all the moment it gets updated.
Unless u are limited storage space and want to redownload games to play while outside ur home wifi network.