Still not a single 16GB return......

[jhill-evans]

I have to respectfully disagree, I think 100 more is fair for 64GB, and then 100 more for 128GB, I originally had a 64GB 6 Plus, and this time I knew I needed the max, so went with 6S+ 128GB.

Would be nice for Apple to make 32GB standard.

I never said £100 more for the 64GB isn't a reasonable price?

If you require 64GB the £100 is a fair increase. But if you want around 32GB you can't so you have to splash £100 more for wasted storage.

32GB for £50 more than the 16GB is a fair price.

I'm not explaining myself very well but I know what I mean

 

[warrior2000]

No, but I expect the base BMW to perform better than a base Kia. And I expect them to at least match Audi and Benz.

Not the correct comparison.

A phones capacity = a cars capacity.

Just because a Kia SUV can sit 6 people it does not mean the BMW that sits only 4 is inferior.

So a 16GB iPhone is not inferior than a 32GB LG phone.

 

[trifid]

The move to 32GB for all those companies you mentioned happened this year. So where all those same companies greedy last year?

Bottom line is if you want the best you pay more. Do you expect to buy a BMW for the price of a Kia? So why would you expect the best phone in the world to cost the same as 2nd tier phones?

Considering that Apple is the leader/innovator that does things ahead of everyone else, and then everyone else copies them; Apple is 2 years late in this. Apple should have switched to 32gb before amazon, microsoft etc. But seeing that Apple is keeping 16gb the same as the iphones in 2008-2009, when amazon fire didn't exist, nor microsoft, who's being greedy?

 

[trifid]

Its not the price difference between 16GB flash and 32GB flash Apple is concerned about.

They are concerned about people deciding to buy the 32GB instead of the 64GB. That is $100 of lost revenue for Apple. Now if only 10% of iPhone buyers do that you are looking at $100 x 25,000,000 = $2.5 billion in lost revenue.

And you know that 90% of that incremental $100 is pure profit. So Apple would be losing close to $2 billion in profits. $2 billion in profits is about how much profit the entire iPad line makes.

ie: greed. The $100 premium for extra storage is outdated, extra ssd storage is drastically cheaper compared to 2009. And btw, Apple can still profit without appearing blatantly greedy, because if they keep this up it'll affect brand image, and if you think a bit of profit margin is valuable to protect, so is brand image.

 

[jtrue28]

...and if you think a bit of profit margin is valuable to protect, so is brand image.

You're preaching to the choir.

 

[terraphantm]

Not the correct comparison.

A phones capacity = a cars capacity.

Just because a Kia SUV can sit 6 people it does not mean the BMW that sits only 4 is inferior.

So a 16GB iPhone is not inferior than a 32GB LG phone.

There's no truly analogous comparison for a phone's storage when comparing to a car.

And even if we go with your analogy, BMW doesn't advertise a Z4 as being able to hold 7 passengers with the top down while having 90 cu. ft of trunk space. Apple advertises all of its heavy data features equally for the 16GB, 64GB, and 128GB models.

 

[bruinsrme]

Not everyone in this world needs to have every song or 50 movies at their fingertips.

 

[JohnApples]

Not everyone in this world needs to have every song or 50 movies at their fingertips.

I love these hyperbolic remarks. Nobody in this thread, or elsewhere, is asking for "every song or 50 movies" on their phone. They're asking for the basic storage to be 32GB. In 2015-2016. I think that's more than fair, especially for the most expensive, advanced smartphone in the world.

I also love (and by that, I do mean hate) the car comparison I see a lot. But I'll play along. Let's say that Apple is equivalent to BMW. It's more expensive because it's more luxurious, higher quality, and full of advanced features. The base model comes with GPS, a killer sound system, sun roof, heated seats, and other trinkets to help you enjoy those long car rides. But, then you come to find out that BMW has purposely put a smaller gas tank in the car. Half the size of what everyone else has in their premium cars of similar size and price. If you want the bigger gas tank with BMW, you have to pay an additional premium. Sure, you could try to use the logic that "not everyone drives long distances, some people only commute, so this car would be perfect for them." But everyone else will need to pay, in my opinion, an unnecessary additional price for something that's already costing a premium.

I know it's not a perfect analogy, but that's why I hate the car comparison in the first place. I don't agree with designing high-tech, super advanced, expensive, flagship products, and then hindering them for the "light user" crowd and requiring people who want to take more advantage of the phone to pay more. We shall see with the 7.

 

[JM]

With the sheer magnitude of Apple's sales, the R&D costs are minimal on a per iPhone basis.

Thanks for taking my post seriously, but I was being entirely satirical.

 

[Subwaymac]

How much room does a 16G iPhone have right out of the box with stock apps installed ?

 

[bruinsrme]

I love these hyperbolic remarks. Nobody in this thread, or elsewhere, is asking for "every song or 50 movies" on their phone. They're asking for the basic storage to be 32GB. In 2015-2016. I think that's more than fair, especially for the most expensive, advanced smartphone in the world.

I also love (and by that, I do mean hate) the car comparison I see a lot. But I'll play along. Let's say that Apple is equivalent to BMW. It's more expensive because it's more luxurious, higher quality, and full of advanced features. The base model comes with GPS, a killer sound system, sun roof, heated seats, and other trinkets to help you enjoy those long car rides. But, then you come to find out that BMW has purposely put a smaller gas tank in the car. Half the size of what everyone else has in their premium cars of similar size and price. If you want the bigger gas tank with BMW, you have to pay an additional premium. Sure, you could try to use the logic that "not everyone drives long distances, some people only commute, so this car would be perfect for them." But everyone else will need to pay, in my opinion, an unnecessary additional price for something that's already costing a premium.

I know it's not a perfect analogy, but that's why I hate the car comparison in the first place. I don't agree with designing high-tech, super advanced, expensive, flagship products, and then hindering them for the "light user" crowd and requiring people who want to take more advantage of the phone to pay more. We shall see with the 7.

Who's asking for the increase in basic store, people here. Look at some of the posts on this forum, it surely doesn't represent even 1% of iPhone users.
If it did, Apple would need a phone with crazy storage and the customers would inspect each phone under a microscope.
The only reason I bought the 128g is because there's a small market for resale and those in that market seem to want the larger capacity phones.
As the OP states no 16 gigs models have come back. Seems to me people are happy. I can easily use a 16g, still have room for songs, a movie or two.
Apple surely maximizes the price of their as tanks across their entire product line. Why single out the iPhone line?

 

[trifid]

Who's asking for the increase in basic store, people here. Look at some of the posts on this forum, it surely doesn't represent even 1% of iPhone users.
If it did, Apple would need a phone with crazy storage and the customers would inspect each phone under a microscope.
The only reason I bought the 128g is because there's a small market for resale and those in that market seem to want the larger capacity phones.
As the OP states no 16 gigs models have come back. Seems to me people are happy. I can easily use a 16g, still have room for songs, a movie or two.
Apple surely maximizes the price of their as tanks across their entire product line. Why single out the iPhone line?

iPhone is Apple's flagship product, accounting for more than half of all revenue. That's why it's singled out. iPad is also in a ridiculous situation. "Post-PC" retina world still at 16GB after 6+ years. It's laughable. Perhaps that's one reason iPad is doing horribly.

Honestly we can go in circles and talk theory all day long, at the end of the day I can tell you this from personal experience: everyone I know, except my dad, has their 16gb iphone nearly full due to spotify, photos/videos, games, podcasts, music. I think this scenario is common.

A lot of people here forget that it's not just about itunes music and movies anymore, people have practically replaced their old cameras and use iPhone for photo/video, and that can easily fill an iphone. And app store has exploded with retina apps and games that also takes more space.

There is really no excuse for staying at 16GB since 2009, no excuse, only reason is squeezing more profits at the cost of user experience and brand image.

 

[Surf Donkey]

And to think I almost missed this because I put OP on ignore.

Isn't there some sort of rule about making threads with the same topic over and over when they keep getting locked for being useless?

 

[trifid]

By the way, suppose Apple had done iPhone 6s base at 32gb, they'd still have iPhone 6 16gb to sell for those users like my dad who don't need cutting edge or storage (he's still happily using a 4s, and has no plans to upgrade).

 

[BlueDragon22]

I'll jump in and throw in my 2 cents

I'm on a 16gb 6s+. I'm a power user, but being a poor college student and wanting the latest and greatest doesn't mix...at all.

It was either the 16gb 6s+ or get a 64 6+. With the 6s+ being newer, I went the 16gb route (plus, I found out after pre ordering that VZW is offering a yearly iPhone upgrade plan if you ordered the 6s/6s+. Score!)

On my 4 and 5, was 16gb too little? Yes!

But over the past year of having a Droid and trying out cloud storage, I learned to deal with the cloud. My Droid had 32gb, but only 23gb usable. I was at 18/23 a few weeks before upgrading and I knew I needed to change my ways. I backed up all of my pics to Amazon Cloud Drive and knocked myself down to 13gb (yes, I had a good 5gb of pics). Then I went through my apps and deleted everything I didn't use or used once. That brought me down to 11gb (and then subtract a few mbs for apps that were disabled and I couldn't delete but I really wanted to - VZW bloatware. Ick!)

I used a 3rd party texting app, so that app had a ton of data stored, along with my messages. I deleted all of my messages and knocked myself down to 10gb.

Right now, 2 weeks exactly after receiving my 6s+, I'm at 4.1gb available (I've used 7.2gb in case you're wondering).

Is it hard? Eh. I rely heavily on Amazon Cloud Drive (I'm a prime member, so unlimited pics/5gb of vid) and then I use Google Play Music for my 1200+ song library. Streaming my music isn't a big deal since I'm not a data hog, so I really need to use the data that I'm paying for. I stream from Google Play, SiriusXM, and YouTube. I have no music saved on my phone.

If you're using a 16gb for cost saving purposes, use the cloud storage. I didn't want to use iCloud since it never worked for me, but I know Google Drive, Dropbox, Google Play Music, Amazon Cloud Drive, etc. are excellent for backing up your info.

(About my app usage - I have 21 apps loaded and I use them all each day or at least once every few days. They include Facebook, Instagram, Accuweather, etc.)

Should Apple change their base to 32? Yes yes yes. But they won't. 16gb forces users to use iCloud. User finds out they have too much for free storage. User pays for more space. Apple makes larger profit.

TL;DR: Use cloud storage if you're with a 16gb iPhone. It'll help you in the long run.

 

[bruinsrme]

iPhone is Apple's flagship product, accounting for more than half of all revenue. That's why it's singled out. iPad is also in a ridiculous situation. "Post-PC" retina world still at 16GB after 6+ years. It's laughable.

Honestly we can go in circles and talk theory all day long, at the end of the day I can tell you this from personal experience: everyone I know, except my dad, has their 16gb iphone nearly full due to spotify, photos/videos, games, podcasts, music. I think this scenario is common.

A lot of people here forget that it's not just about itunes music and movies anymore, people have practically replaced their old cameras and use iPhone for photo/video, and that can easily fill an iphone. And app store has exploded with retina apps and games that also takes more space.

There is really no excuse for staying at 16GB since 2009, no excuse, only reason is squeezing more profits at the cost of user experience and brand image.

I don't doubt 16gig phone are full.
Apple could offer an 8gig and people would buy it.

I personally think the iPhone's should be 64. 128 and 256
With 4K video 256 would be great.

iCloud should be 20gig free

Trust me I am not against what you guys are saying in regards to the increase.

 

[JM]

How much room does a 16G iPhone have right out of the box with stock apps installed ?

12.6 GB. TYRANNY!!!

 

[trifid]

I don't doubt 16gig phone are full.
Apple could offer an 8gig and people would buy it.

I personally think the iPhone's should be 64. 128 and 256
With 4K video 256 would be great.

iCloud should be 20gig free

Trust me I am not against what you guys are saying in regards to the increase.

The difference with your hyperbolic random scenarios is that 32gb base is not dreamland, everyone else has switched to 32gb. Yet Apple has stayed at 16gb since 2008-9 for no justifiable reason other than sqeezing in a bit more profit.

 

[JM]

And to think I almost missed this because I put OP on ignore.

Isn't there some sort of rule about making threads with the same topic over and over when they keep getting locked for being useless?

Not useless. Shush, you. I'm enjoying our little talks very much.

 

[bruinsrme]

The difference with your hyperbolic random scenarios is that 32gb base is not dreamland, everyone else has switched to 32gb. Yet Apple has stayed at 16gb since 2008-9 for no justifiable reason other than sqeezing in a bit more profit.

That is why they have $203,000,000,000 sitting around, by offering crazy mark ups on processors and ram.

 

[Surf Donkey]

Not useless. Shush, you. I'm enjoying our little talks very much.

Useless after the dude already made 3 threads over 20 something pages each that say the same exact thing over and over and over and over

 

[JM]

Useless after the dude already made 3 threads over 20 something pages each that say the same exact thing over and over and over and over

Maybe he has to shotgun it because he just doesn't believe in the forum's astute observations and speedy responses.

haha. The original post was funny, so I've been responding in kind. Burn the witch if it must be so. I'll be crying over the burning first amendment.

 

[warrior2000]

I also love (and by that, I do mean hate) the car comparison I see a lot. But I'll play along. Let's say that Apple is equivalent to BMW. It's more expensive because it's more luxurious, higher quality, and full of advanced features. The base model comes with GPS, a killer sound system, sun roof, heated seats, and other trinkets to help you enjoy those long car rides. But, then you come to find out that BMW has purposely put a smaller gas tank in the car. Half the size of what everyone else has in their premium cars of similar size and price. If you want the bigger gas tank with BMW, you have to pay an additional premium. Sure, you could try to use the logic that "not everyone drives long distances, some people only commute, so this car would be perfect for them." But everyone else will need to pay, in my opinion, an unnecessary additional price for something that's already costing a premium.

your comparison is flawed.

A gas tank in a car would be comparable to the battery in the iPhone. Both decide how LONG a device can be used.

Onboard storage is more comparable to seating capacity. The 16GB phone is like a 2 seater coupe, the 64GB like a large sedan, the 128GB a large SUV. People don't bitch that a two seater coupe can't sit 3. Same with the 16GB phone. Everyone knows how much capacity it has, deal with it or buy a larger capacity phone. Onboard storage just puts a limit on how much STUFF you can put on your phone. Not how long you can use your phone.

 

[warrior2000]

Perhaps that's one reason iPad is doing horribly.

Doing horribly? iPad is by far the top grossing tablet in the world. Only reason sales are down is because the upgrade cycle is much longer than iPhone. Also a ton of iPad sales are being canibalzied by iPhone 6+. Which is perfectly fine since the 6+ has a much higher profit margin and sale price.

A lot of people here forget that it's not just about itunes music and movies anymore, people have practically replaced their old cameras and use iPhone for photo/video, and that can easily fill an iphone.

Regardless people still need to backup their photo/video collection to a PC/Mac and then the cloud. If not you risk losing thousands of photos if you lose your phone or your phone crashes or break your phone. So if you have to backup your photo's anyway whats the big deal of removing photo's from your phone every 3 months and putting it in the cloud?

There is no reason to leave tens of thousands of photo's on a phone since you need to back them up anyway.

There is really no excuse for staying at 16GB since 2009, no excuse, only reason is squeezing more profits at the cost of user experience and brand image.

Hilarious. Only 3 Android phones start at 32Gb THIS YEAR. So was Android squeezing profits last year? And the only reason Samsung is offering 32GB is because they were getting destroyed and were desperate. Just because Samsung does a desperation move does not mean Apple has too.

This is like Kia offering 0% Financing and expecting BMW to do the same.

 

[techiebug]

No one returns because no one bought it lol!!