Still unconvinced...convince me?

[lordofthereef]

I don't think we disagree, because I qualified it with "if you don't know what you are doing". I am going to assume you know what you what you are doing, and are likely secure. But, you also said you tend to not install updates because you don't want to lose your jailbreak. That by definition makes you less secure, but you know that you are making that choice. What I was talking about was that the average iPhone user jailbreaking their phone is an accident waiting to happen with security and stability. If you disagree with that, then I guess we do disagree.

Depends on the updates being skipped entirely. Many smaller updates Are tiny bug patches and nothing more. Very few of them are security patches. (Also not here to argue the fact, except maybe that skipping an update isn't always by definition less secure)

 

[eyoungren]

I don't think we disagree, because I qualified it with "if you don't know what you are doing". I am going to assume you know what you what you are doing, and are likely secure. But, you also said you tend to not install updates because you don't want to lose your jailbreak. That by definition makes you less secure, but you know that you are making that choice. What I was talking about was that the average iPhone user jailbreaking their phone is an accident waiting to happen with security and stability. If you disagree with that, then I guess we do disagree.

I was disagreeing more with the point of removing security.

But since you clarified things (and I missed your qualification in the first read of your post) then, yes. We do agree. So, I will retract my comment.

 

[convergent]

So, maybe I'm just being to liberal with the assumptions, but I took the statement about Apple changing things as a bit of sarcasm. Of course Apple isn't going to come here and say "well, the topic has 17,000 replies. Better get
To changing that pesky base model size."

Yep, I was being a little sarcastic. They are selling 16G phones or they wouldn't keep making them. My wife would be perfectly find with 16G. She's never loaded an App or even gone into the App Store in her life. She's never loaded music. She uses her iPhone to make calls, send messages, and take pictures. How ever big phone I give her will eventually fill up from pictures and I'll need to back it up to our Mac so she can start over. I almost don't want her to have a huge amount not backed up, so the smaller phone size is kind of preferred. I would guess that she's similar to a large number of iPhone buyers that are never going to show up here on MacRumors.

 

[lordofthereef]

Yep, I was being a little sarcastic. They are selling 16G phones or they wouldn't keep making them. My wife would be perfectly find with 16G. She's never loaded an App or even gone into the App Store in her life. She's never loaded music. She uses her iPhone to make calls, send messages, and take pictures. How ever big phone I give her will eventually fill up from pictures and I'll need to back it up to our Mac so she can start over. I almost don't want her to have a huge amount not backed up, so the smaller phone size is kind of preferred. I would guess that she's similar to a large number of iPhone buyers that are never going to show up here on MacRumors.

They're selling 16gb. Absolutely. But I wonder whether it's a matter of how many 16gb they're selling versus a matter of how many more 64gb at a $100 premium they're able to sell because 16gb is the only other option.

I don't know the answer. I have a feeling but it's based on absolutely no empirical data lol

 

[eyoungren]

But I wonder whether it's a matter of how many 16gb they're selling versus a matter of how many more 64gb at a $100 premium they're able to sell because 16gb is the only other option.

Exactly!

 

[convergent]

They're selling 16gb. Absolutely. But I wonder whether it's a matter of how many 16gb they're selling versus a matter of how many more 64gb at a $100 premium they're able to sell because 16gb is the only other option.

I don't know the answer. I have a feeling but it's based on absolutely no empirical data lol

I'm sure that is definitely part of it, as is having enough separation between the sizes available to make it worthwhile. They aren't going to sell 5 different sizes. 64 is going to be most people. Those trying to stay cheap are going to go with 16. Those that are stupid (this is directed at me, because I bought 128 and don't need it and will probably never use it. I'm hovering around 32G of use) and think they need more than 64 are going to get the 128.

 

[eyoungren]

Those that are stupid (this is directed at me, because I bought 128 and don't need it and will probably never use it. I'm hovering around 32G of use) and think they need more than 64 are going to get the 128.

Another discussion that's been around here for awhile.

I'm with my phone for two or more years (this year was not normal). So, I get the maximum I can because it's what I want. Need very, very rarely factors into these kinds of purchases for me.

You feel stupid because you think you bought more than you need. I would feel stupid having less than what I want - whether I need it or not.

 

[HEK]

So, maybe I'm just being to liberal with the assumptions, but I took the statement about Apple changing things as a bit of sarcasm. Of course Apple isn't going to come here and say "well, the topic has 17,000 replies. Better get
To changing that pesky base model size."

In my estimation Apple has been fairly consistent in bringing great devices, technology, and implementing features when they can provide them at their standards. If this were not the case, then they would not be as rich and sell as many devices as they have.

I think they would be more prone to jump to higher memory than most other companies when they feel it's right. Not because some consistent complaints on here. Consider their market share is not that high yet they sell only top end equipment and make more money doing it than all the others combined. So from a business perspective they must be providing what the majority of their customers want.

Anyone on here who thinks they can do better is welcome to produce their own product and compete. But I suspect once removed from being a single user that cries about "what I want", they would make decisions for their product that a small number would disagree with as well.

You can't please all the people all the time. But from my reckoning, Apple sure does please most of the people most of the time.

 

[angel76ph]

Please allow me to change the tone and line of question of this thread. Let me ask/challenge you guys on workarounds since you think i'm rehashing/ranting on & on about Apple devices.
1. Music player - Any third-party apps you guys can recommend that have custom equalisers?
2. Had an iPhone 6 months ago. I'm well aware of the low-battery option in iOS 9. Apart from turning off radios, notifications, etc. any other suggestions on how to save battery? Also why the white background in Settings? Is there no way to change the colour? We all know white backgrounds can drain battery life.
3. iCloud - No point in me getting additional iCloud storage. Why? Say i'm underground or in a plane and i have MP3 & MP4 files on my iCloud there is no way i can access those without my mobile internet or wifi can i? Unless iCloud has an "offline" option that i'm not aware of. Only solution i see is get a 64GB which is still expensive for some.
4. Using 1st-party or 3rd-party apps is there a way to set an MP3 song as a ringtone?
5. I have yet to see news/evidence that one can share Notes or Photos to Google services such as Google Drive, Photos, Keep or Google+. AFAIK one would need to go to that specific app (e.g. Drive) in order to upload such files. Say if i have 20 folders in Drive and i have 500 photos on my iPhone of different scenes, people, etc. I have to click Upload then choose manually photos(s) to upload which can be cumbersome. You still cannot share directly from Notes or Photos to those i mentioned. Any workarounds?
6. No mobile signal toggle in Action Centre - I have to go to Settings and takes me at least 3 more steps (vs Android) in turning off my mobile data. Is there an app that i can use to quickly toggle on & off such settings?

What say you guys?

 

[convergent]

Please allow me to change the tone and line of question of this thread. Let me ask/challenge you guys on workarounds since you think i'm rehashing/ranting on & on about Apple devices.
1. Music player - Any third-party apps you guys can recommend that have custom equalizers?

Google "iOS equalizer app".

2. Had an iPhone 6 months ago. I'm well aware of the low-battery option in iOS 9. Apart from turning off radios, notifications, etc. any other suggestions on how to save battery? Also why the white background in Settings? Is there no way to change the colour? We all know white backgrounds can drain battery life.

Once again, not sure what you are expecting for battery life... my current iPhone I would put up against any other device out there for battery life. I don't do anything to conserve and have plenty to spare. There are certainly lots of things you can do to lower battery usage, and there is a way to switch to dark mode via accessibility features if the app you are using doesn't have a dark mode... many do.

3. iCloud - No point in me getting additional iCloud storage. Why? Say i'm underground or in a plane and i have MP3 & MP4 files on my iCloud there is no way i can access those without my mobile internet or wifi can i? Unless iCloud has an "offline" option that i'm not aware of. Only solution i see is get a 64GB which is still expensive for some.

Marginal different in price you are talking about... at most $50 full price, and maybe $1/month if you don't buy cash. Eventually Apple will bump up the minimum, and you will find plenty of MR posters that share your complaint.

4. Using 1st-party or 3rd-party apps is there a way to set an MP3 song as a ringtone?

I have no interest in this... I believe you can do it in iTunes... maybe others have ideas.

5. I have yet to see news/evidence that one can share Notes or Photos to Google services such as Google Drive, Photos, Keep or Google+. AFAIK one would need to go to that specific app (e.g. Drive) in order to upload such files. Say if i have 20 folders in Drive and i have 500 photos on my iPhone of different scenes, people, etc. I have to click Upload then choose manually photos(s) to upload which can be cumbersome. You still cannot share directly from Notes or Photos to those i mentioned. Any workarounds?

You can have all your iOS photos mirrored to Google Drive... http://appadvice.com/appnn/2015/03/...ds-auto-backup-support-for-the-ios-photos-app
I went over all the ways I sync notes in another reply. There are myriads of ways to sync things back and forth here, so I have to believe there is a solution in there.

6. No mobile signal toggle in Action Centre - I have to go to Settings and takes me at least 3 more steps (vs Android) in turning off my mobile data. Is there an app that i can use to quickly toggle on & off such settings?

This would be nice. What I do is just go to airplane mode, and then turn back on wifi or bluetooth. They are all sliders on the same swipe screen, so it takes about 2 seconds to do it. I have plenty of battery life, so don't do this unless on a plane.

What say you guys?

 

[geta]

There are plus and minus with every platform, if you find all the things you want and need on Android, go with that one. i don’t see any reason why someone forcing himself liking something that don’t give him what he need.

Considering my main use of my phone is for communication aka calls and messages plus a bit of pics and random apps here and there, i would say most of the stuff you looking for, not so important to me. For most of the things you looking (if not all) you can find 3rd party apps to do so for you, as well as if you jailbreak it -

1. I don’t use my phone as a music player, but even if i did, i would never use build in eq’s, will keep it flat.

2. No sure what you expecting from battery life - still using iOS 8 with 4s and I’m getting full day out of the battery (sometimes even two), depending on the usage…

3. For the same reason i don’t use cloud service, just bite the bullet and get the GB size you need.

4. Never cared, more then happy with the build in ones.

5. You can share Notes with Gmail (and few other apps). I’m assuming with Evernote you can share with more apps and cloud based service. with Documents app you can share any kind of files (assuming also folders) included photos with many apps plus few cloud services (included Goggle Drive and Dropbox).

6. With Launcher app you can make custom shortcuts to anything you wish.


Just coz its not build inside iOS, it doesn’t mean you can’t make it to work the way you want…

 

[kasakka]

In my estimation Apple has been fairly consistent in bringing great devices, technology, and implementing features when they can provide them at their standards. If this were not the case, then they would not be as rich and sell as many devices as they have.

I think they would be more prone to jump to higher memory than most other companies when they feel it's right. Not because some consistent complaints on here. Consider their market share is not that high yet they sell only top end equipment and make more money doing it than all the others combined. So from a business perspective they must be providing what the majority of their customers want.

Anyone on here who thinks they can do better is welcome to produce their own product and compete. But I suspect once removed from being a single user that cries about "what I want", they would make decisions for their product that a small number would disagree with as well.

You can't please all the people all the time. But from my reckoning, Apple sure does please most of the people most of the time.

I'd say there is a lot of nickel and diming with the iPhone 6 series. First the low RAM on the 6, then the 16 GB base model on the 6S series when everyone else is offering 32 GBs (or 16 + microSD slot). Clever business moves from Apple but a "**** you" to the consumer. Coupled with the iPhone 6S prices in Europe (about 100e higher than 6 for every model) which makes even their 16GB iPhone 6S more expensive than most Android flagships. I do feel that at this point purely for smartphones, many Android manufacturers are doing a better job than Apple in their design and capability.

Apple has been slow to introduce new features and many of them have been ripped from the jailbreak community. I was using stuff like quick toggles, swipe on keyboard to move cursor etc back when I had an iPhone 4. TouchID and 3D Touch are probably the only real innovations they've had in a few years.

Don't take me wrong, I do really like and own many Apple products but I really hope that they try harder with the iPhone 7.

 

[HEK]

I'd say there is a lot of nickel and diming with the iPhone 6 series. First the low RAM on the 6, then the 16 GB base model on the 6S series when everyone else is offering 32 GBs (or 16 + microSD slot). Clever business moves from Apple but a "**** you" to the consumer. Coupled with the iPhone 6S prices in Europe (about 100e higher than 6 for every model) which makes even their 16GB iPhone 6S more expensive than most Android flagships. I do feel that at this point purely for smartphones, many Android manufacturers are doing a better job than Apple in their design and capability.

Apple has been slow to introduce new features and many of them have been ripped from the jailbreak community. I was using stuff like quick toggles, swipe on keyboard to move cursor etc back when I had an iPhone 4. TouchID and 3D Touch are probably the only real innovations they've had in a few years.

Don't take me wrong, I do really like and own many Apple products but I really hope that they try harder with the iPhone 7.

I don't expect to see any changes to their business model. It's working too well for investors and the company.

I don't see how Apple is at all responsible for the currency exchange rate. Many products in past have been forced out of specific markets due to currency fluctuations.

As for the memory, or lack there of, I totally think it's long past time to raise it. And I would skip 32 in favor of 64 as base level so that this topic can be put to rest for a while. Thing is, Apple is selling so many 16GB models as there are so many people this seems to work for. I guess they don't have any apps or keep many songs and pictures. I think Mercedes-Benz is ***** over the customer charging as much as they do for their vehicles, but for some reason that seems to be OK. So I can't really blame Apple for wanting to be very profitable.

A phone is not like a drug needed to save a life, in such a case like that recent AIDS drug that was bought up and price raised like 9000% that should be stopped and the person ridiculed, and even jailed. With a phone people can choose so if people continue to buy it, I have no grief over it.

 

[convergent]

I'd say there is a lot of nickel and diming with the iPhone 6 series. First the low RAM on the 6, then the 16 GB base model on the 6S series when everyone else is offering 32 GBs (or 16 + microSD slot). Clever business moves from Apple but a "**** you" to the consumer. Coupled with the iPhone 6S prices in Europe (about 100e higher than 6 for every model) which makes even their 16GB iPhone 6S more expensive than most Android flagships. I do feel that at this point purely for smartphones, many Android manufacturers are doing a better job than Apple in their design and capability.

Apple has been slow to introduce new features and many of them have been ripped from the jailbreak community. I was using stuff like quick toggles, swipe on keyboard to move cursor etc back when I had an iPhone 4. TouchID and 3D Touch are probably the only real innovations they've had in a few years.

Don't take me wrong, I do really like and own many Apple products but I really hope that they try harder with the iPhone 7.

There is no **** you to the consumer. You do realize that there are probably millions of iPhone buyers that have never gone into the App Store, and never downloaded music to their phone. My wife, and many of her friends, fit this group. For them, a 16G model is more than sufficient. Taking away a $100 cheaper option for them, just because you don't want that option, would be a **** you to them, wouldn't it?

Apple has NEVER been "fast to introduce" everything new. One of the things buyers of Apple expect is reliability, stability, and security. Continually rolling out the latest and greatest does not get you reliability, stability, and security. You can always debate when is the right time to roll things out.

How much more "innovation" is there to get in a smartphone.... absent completely new things like adding a watch, adding a payment system, etc.. In the UI itself, we are in a more mature part of the market lifecycle, so you aren't going to see earth shattering new things. You see some other smartphone makers coming out with gimmicky stuff. I'm happy that Apple doesn't do that crap. They are looking at a balance of things as I said before, and that good balance is what the majority of their buyers are after. For people that want the latest and greatest wild west world, there is Android where you can shoot yourself in the foot daily if you really want to do that. That's not world Apple wants to be in.

 

[eyoungren]

3. For the same reason i don’t use cloud service, just bite the bullet and get the GB size you need.

What if OP "needs" 32GB. Not 16 (not enough), not 64 (too much). 32GB.

What then?

 

[eyoungren]

Clever business moves from Apple but a "**** you" to the consumer.

Assuming this is true (I won't argue if it is or not), the consumer has yet to turn around and say "No. Stop. Don't."

Or, if they do it's always silenced by the sheer volume of new iPhones Apple ships every year.

 

[phobos512]

Yes, you can set any MP3 as a ringtone; you need a computer to do it for free though. It is not hard and takes honestly less time than it did to probably write the first post in this thread.

There are tons of articles about this but here are a few that would load on my computer here at work:

http://www.idroidgeek.com/how-to-set-a-song-as-a-ringtone-on-iphoneipad-simple-steps/

http://www.ianbrown.cc/blog/how-to-turn-any-song-into-a-cool-iphone-ringtone-mp3/

http://www.macworld.co.uk/how-to/iphone/how-turn-any-song-iphone-ringtone-alert-tone-3460817/

Regarding using notes - on Android you use Google Keep probably already - there's an iOS version now. Works exactly the same. Also, Notes on iOS is available via the iCloud website.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/google-keep-your-thoughts/id1029207872?mt=8

 

[eyeseeyou]

A lot of these features have been available on the iphone 6 for a while now.

 

[mrex]

the thing is... i only use iphone because i want some privacy.. i have been (and still) using android for many years, but too much is too much. i had oneplus one which i replaced by 6S+ just because of thinking of the privacy. i dont mean android is bad, it isnt, but however im concerned about the privacy. maybe the developers are lazy and they use things that they really dont need or they need to access for certain things, but for me it looks like they are asking just too much accessing to my private information. dont get me wrong, ios apps also do the same. however, even google wants to know everything about me (so does apple for sure!), that - im pretty sure - isnt necessary for every apps to work.

unfortunately only choice is to give up and go few years back in the tech era. i wouldnt hesitate to come back to use only android if only the security (privacy) would be better. android products are high-end devices with real innovations, productivity and usability. there is no "but" like ios has...

to me ios feels badly outdated, like a dinosaur from the history channel, but that is the price im willing to pay to get the better privacy... unfortunately. it was difficult to me to get used to the reduced win3.11 OS "feel" after android. (win3.11 because ios looks like win3.11 from 90's)

i dont even start to talk about the simplicity, because ios isnt simple at all. it is horrible when it is trying to be a simple os - it isnt. it is a catastrophe, atleast now in ios 9.1. if you got used to android, ios isnt simple. for example: filesharing, drag and drop, put a song as a ring tone, open in... if you call that as a simple procedure in ios, you are f***up!

if you want to get a better(?) privacy and be prepared to loose some controls then ios is for you. if you want to have a productivity, easily controls but willing to risk your privacy(?) then android is for you.

"if only..." and i wouldnt hesitate to sell my ios devices and running back to android as fast as i can... fully.

 

[CNeufeld]

the thing is... i only use iphone because i want some privacy.. i have been (and still) using android for many years, but too much is too much. i had oneplus one which i replaced by 6S+ just because of thinking of the privacy. i dont mean android is bad, it isnt, but however im concerned about the privacy. maybe the developers are lazy and they use things that they really dont need or they need to access for certain things, but for me it looks like they are asking just too much accessing to my private information. dont get me wrong, ios apps also do the same. however, even google wants to know everything about me (so does apple for sure!), that - im pretty sure - isnt necessary for every apps to work.

unfortunately only choice is to give up and go few years back in the tech era. i wouldnt hesitate to come back to use only android if only the security (privacy) would be better. android products are high-end devices with real innovations, productivity and usability. there is no "but" like ios has...

to me ios feels badly outdated, like a dinosaur from the history channel, but that is the price im willing to pay to get the better privacy... unfortunately. it was difficult to me to get used to the reduced win3.11 OS "feel" after android. (win3.11 because ios looks like win3.11 from 90's)

i dont even start to talk about the simplicity, because ios isnt simple at all. it is horrible when it is trying to be a simple os - it isnt. it is a catastrophe, atleast now in ios 9.1. if you got used to android, ios isnt simple. for example: filesharing, drag and drop, put a song as a ring tone, open in... if you call that as a simple procedure in ios, you are f***up!

if you want to get a better(?) privacy and be prepared to loose some controls then ios is for you. if you want to have a productivity, easily controls but willing to risk your privacy(?) then android is for you.

"if only..." and i wouldnt hesitate to sell my ios devices and running back to android as fast as i can... fully.

Your post makes no sense (IMHO). You rant on about privacy, but say "ios apps do the same thing", or "so does Apple". So why use Apple products?

C

 

[HEK]

What if OP "needs" 32GB. Not 16 (not enough), not 64 (too much). 32GB.

What then?

If you got 64GB at same price as 16GB would that still be too much? Why go on and on about the storage? It comes three ways 16 64 and 128. Pick one and go with it. And if it's that much a problem buy a different phone. What if I wanted 22 1/2 GB storage. That would be perfect for me so company should make that just for me, cuz I'm special? The entitlement mentality here is unbelievable.

 

[HEK]

the thing is... i only use iphone because i want some privacy.. i have been (and still) using android for many years, but too much is too much. i had oneplus one which i replaced by 6S+ just because of thinking of the privacy. i dont mean android is bad, it isnt, but however im concerned about the privacy. maybe the developers are lazy and they use things that they really dont need or they need to access for certain things, but for me it looks like they are asking just too much accessing to my private information. dont get me wrong, ios apps also do the same. however, even google wants to know everything about me (so does apple for sure!), that - im pretty sure - isnt necessary for every apps to work.

unfortunately only choice is to give up and go few years back in the tech era. i wouldnt hesitate to come back to use only android if only the security (privacy) would be better. android products are high-end devices with real innovations, productivity and usability. there is no "but" like ios has...

to me ios feels badly outdated, like a dinosaur from the history channel, but that is the price im willing to pay to get the better privacy... unfortunately. it was difficult to me to get used to the reduced win3.11 OS "feel" after android. (win3.11 because ios looks like win3.11 from 90's)

i dont even start to talk about the simplicity, because ios isnt simple at all. it is horrible when it is trying to be a simple os - it isnt. it is a catastrophe, atleast now in ios 9.1. if you got used to android, ios isnt simple. for example: filesharing, drag and drop, put a song as a ring tone, open in... if you call that as a simple procedure in ios, you are f***up!

if you want to get a better(?) privacy and be prepared to loose some controls then ios is for you. if you want to have a productivity, easily controls but willing to risk your privacy(?) then android is for you.

"if only..." and i wouldnt hesitate to sell my ios devices and running back to android as fast as i can... fully.

We would appreciate you going back to android and being on their forum saying how great it is.

 

[cmichaelb]

Right, and in my opinion its totally unnecessary to have this capability in order to use the phone as a productive tool. With Android, I'm wondering around in directories full of crap I shouldn't be messing with rather than having my files available in an easily accessible place from my apps. The big thing now is really cloud storage anyways, and there are plenty of tools available for iPhone to let you get at files that way.

Its not Apple's plan to provide this function because it doesn't fit their user experience design. Different strokes for different folks. If this is a critical capability for someone, then they shouldn't be using an iPhone.

Well said.

This never makes sense to me. Who wants to root around in file directories? I consider myself an advanced user if you will, and I have no desire to do that on my phone. Other than dedicated repositories for files that can be shared by any app, you can make than accessible from within an app rather than go to a file manager.

It always makes my mind flash back to DOS commands.

The people do want a file system like a desktop represent such a minuscule portion of Apple it just doesn't make sense for iDevices.

As for cloud storage, yes, it's convenient, unless you travel a lot and don't have good connectivity. A small repository on board the device would be ideal.

 

[eyoungren]

A lot of these features have been available on the iphone 6 for a while now.

Like a dedicated file browser. Where?

 

[cmichaelb]

This is not true. I never said the Galaxy was basic. I said the iPhone was basic, which is an opinion of the person who is buying the product based on their needs. For example, a person in Africa might think the iPhone 2G is advanced, but do you? Of course not. To you, it is basic. Just like for the OP and what he's looking for.

I never understand the iPhone 'basic' comment. The hardware isn't old and limited and the software for 99% of the population can accomplish more than any of them will most likely ever need.

Don't mistake easy of user, user friendly, as basic. Far from it.

"A person in Africa"?!? Good grief. My sister lives in Africa. Do you think I have to get her flip phones so they'll be basic enough for her to understand. She can't handle smartphones because if she does, she'll be labeled as a shaman or witch doctor for using such sorcery?

LMAO!! excellent post.