Still unconvinced...convince me?

[eyoungren]

Interesting take as to me nothing about the iPhone 6 looks great. The back has those ugly antenna bands, the front has that glossy somewhat cheap look around the home button and large bezels around the screen. Most of the color combinations available would look better with a black front. IMO it's Apple's least attractive phone design so far.

And I totally agree. I don't much care for the 6/6s line.

And this was a point someone called me on earlier this year because I have always maintained that the 6/6s line is fugly.

I still believe that.

However, I have a 6s+ now because earlier this year, fugly or not, I was determined to extract my pound of flesh from Sprint because of their crappy network. I got the 6+ with zero down which is exactly what I was looking to get out of them.

I still do not like the phone. But I traded it to T-Mobile (when I ported out) for the 6s+ because I already had fugly, I might as well get better specs and the price difference was minimal.

I still do not like the same aspects you mentioned and I still believe my iPhone 5 (Black/Slate) is much better looking.

 

[convergent]

Android is great. Until the first upgrade which turns your phone into a hot mess.

If you get an upgrade.

 

[angel76ph]

Some of the reply here are in the vein of "Not worried" or "i don't use it" or "Not Interested". All sound not very helpful to me at all. That for me it sounds like some of you only bought the iPhone because it looks "cool" on you but perhaps in fact you only use it to call or text or check some news. Basic stuff basically.

I still think 32GB should be the minimum i agree. Please see the reason why iCloud won't be applicable to me.

When i mean "Custom Equaliser" i meant a music player that has custom (or some custom-made sound enhancing features such as Dolby, etc.) equalisers. But would standalone third-party equaliser apps make the music on the music player sound better?

Quick launcher seems good as i've checked the App Store. I'll try it for myself.

There also seem to have updates from the Google Photos and Google Drive app. Am i correct in saying that all photos taken on your iPhone are now saved automatically (& synced) to your Photos & Drive app?

I did heard of "dark mode" in some apps. But i'm more interested with a dark mode on the Settings homepage as it has always been white. And white isn't gonna help with saving batteries.

I have seen the links of how to set an Mp3 song as a ringtone. But all using iTunes. Is there any other way apart from using iTunes?

I would agree that Apple has lacked innovation throughout the years with very few features added and negligible upgrades year after year while the competition have jumped 1 or 2 steps above. (And i'm talking about hardware here not much so the software). Let's not mince words here...iOS has a lot of catching up with Android. And iOS has copied some features from Android & Windows Mobile. But i still do believe Apple is still the best out there. Best in expensive hardware. Best in quick updates. Best in Privacy. Talking about Privacy i'm not too worried. I don't have Facebook. I don't use Paypal or a banking app to do business on my phone. I don't talk about work or personal life on any website or social app on my phone anyways. So privacy is the least of my worries.

 

[C DM]

Some of the reply here are in the vein of "Not worried" or "i don't use it" or "Not Interested". All sound not very helpful to me at all. That for me it sounds like some of you only bought the iPhone because it looks "cool" on you but perhaps in fact you only use it to call or text or check some news. Basic stuff basically.

I still think 32GB should be the minimum i agree. Please see the reason why iCloud won't be applicable to me.

When i mean "Custom Equaliser" i meant a music player that has custom (or some custom-made sound enhancing features such as Dolby, etc.) equalisers. But would standalone third-party equaliser apps make the music on the music player sound better?

Quick launcher seems good as i've checked the App Store. I'll try it for myself.

There also seem to have updates from the Google Photos and Google Drive app. Am i correct in saying that all photos taken on your iPhone are now saved automatically (& synced) to your Photos & Drive app?

I did heard of "dark mode" in some apps. But i'm more interested with a dark mode on the Settings homepage as it has always been white. And white isn't gonna help with saving batteries.

I have seen the links of how to set an Mp3 song as a ringtone. But all using iTunes. Is there any other way apart from using iTunes?

I would agree that Apple has lacked innovation throughout the years with very few features added and negligible upgrades year after year while the competition have jumped 1 or 2 steps above. (And i'm talking about hardware here not much so the software). Let's not mince words here...iOS has a lot of catching up with Android. And iOS has copied some features from Android & Windows Mobile. But i still do believe Apple is still the best out there. Best in expensive hardware. Best in quick updates. Best in Privacy. Talking about Privacy i'm not too worried. I don't have Facebook. I don't use Paypal or a banking app to do business on my phone. I don't talk about work or personal life on any website or social app on my phone anyways. So privacy is the least of my worries.

So, because someone doesn't need something or has their own uses that differ, that somehow essentially means they are either shallow or simpletons (in so many words)?

 

[pat500000]

Hi. Sold my iPhone 6 over a month ago I'm kinda missing it. Liked the smooth UI, gestures, speedy camera and gaming. But i still think there are many missing features which are really needed. Since iOS 9.x i could be wrong with this presumption and need your thoughts on the following:
1. No custom action centre w/ ability to add/remove toggles such as network signal toggle
2. Full stereo video recording
3. Ability to assign an mp3 file as ringtone via the music player
4. Speed dial on keypad
5. Custom equaliser on music player + louder volumes when using headphones
6. Third-party app link (e.g. Youtube, Instagram, etc.) to open in app and not in Safari
7. Queue next song ability in music player
8. Faster wireless file transfer (mp3 & mp4) from Mac to phone with or without iTunes
9. Ability to share Notes to third-parties such as Gmail, Evernote, etc.
10. Dedicated file manager on device
11. Ability to dismiss all tasks in multitasking at the same time (like Android)
12. Wide-angled photos
13. Water-resistant body coating
14. No 16GB option as it is too small
15. Bigger battery capacity
Most of these i have been suggesting for 2(!) long years and i do not know why it has not been implemented as Android have them for a while. I would like to love having an iPhone and i feel strongly for these features. I just feel Apple has not been listening to end users. Again, i could be wrong as some of them might be in iOS 9.x already or can be "found" using apps.
Also, Will i see the same notes on my Mac Notes app with Notes on an iPhone?

Any thoughts, advice or comments please?

Um..why do we need to convince you as your title stated?

 

[eyeseeyou]

I still do not like the same aspects you mentioned and I still believe my iPhone 5 (Black/Slate) is much better looking.

If they just made the bands black or a non contrast color and kept the glass windows That probably would've made a huge difference.

The iphone 5 design is still my favorite.

 

[eyoungren]

If they just made the bands black or a non contrast color and kept the glass windows That probably would've made a huge difference.

The iphone 5 design is still my favorite.

I would have been willing to have it a little thicker too so the camera is flush. It would have been no thicker than the 5, which is thin enough. But no, Apple had to make it bug out.

There's a firm that can do what we want though. It's called Neucase and for $200 or so they give you a new casing in the colors you want (with band colors the color you want). They send your old one back to you for warranty purposes.

I'd do that, but I am on a lease so I can't alter the phone this way. I also don't have $200 for it.

 

[convergent]

Some of the reply here are in the vein of "Not worried" or "i don't use it" or "Not Interested". All sound not very helpful to me at all. That for me it sounds like some of you only bought the iPhone because it looks "cool" on you but perhaps in fact you only use it to call or text or check some news. Basic stuff basically.

I still think 32GB should be the minimum i agree. Please see the reason why iCloud won't be applicable to me.

When i mean "Custom Equaliser" i meant a music player that has custom (or some custom-made sound enhancing features such as Dolby, etc.) equalisers. But would standalone third-party equaliser apps make the music on the music player sound better?

Quick launcher seems good as i've checked the App Store. I'll try it for myself.

There also seem to have updates from the Google Photos and Google Drive app. Am i correct in saying that all photos taken on your iPhone are now saved automatically (& synced) to your Photos & Drive app?

I did heard of "dark mode" in some apps. But i'm more interested with a dark mode on the Settings homepage as it has always been white. And white isn't gonna help with saving batteries.

I have seen the links of how to set an Mp3 song as a ringtone. But all using iTunes. Is there any other way apart from using iTunes?

I would agree that Apple has lacked innovation throughout the years with very few features added and negligible upgrades year after year while the competition have jumped 1 or 2 steps above. (And i'm talking about hardware here not much so the software). Let's not mince words here...iOS has a lot of catching up with Android. And iOS has copied some features from Android & Windows Mobile. But i still do believe Apple is still the best out there. Best in expensive hardware. Best in quick updates. Best in Privacy. Talking about Privacy i'm not too worried. I don't have Facebook. I don't use Paypal or a banking app to do business on my phone. I don't talk about work or personal life on any website or social app on my phone anyways. So privacy is the least of my worries.

I'm starting to think this is a joke. You start off accusing us of basically being minimal users of our phones because we don't care about ring tones. I haven't used one in years. Then you say that you don't use on your phone social media, no financial apps, no work, and nothing personal. Seriously? Your list of things you don't do is what most people buy a smartphone for! Ring tones and background colors are more important? I use my iPhone to do many things in my personal and business life. I find that iOS is a pleasure to use for those things. Apple Pay for example is so far ahead of the rest of the world in every way. The rest of the world is playing catchup, while I pay with my watch.

If you think iOS is lagging Android, I'll have to disagree with you. Apple innovates in ways I'm afraid you don't understand. Adding a bunch more settings or a file manager is not innovating. Enabling users to safely and easy access their files where they need them is more innovative to me. I used an Android phone for 6 months this year and I personally think it is a kludgey half baked environment that I was never happier to be done with. If that's innovation, you are welcome to it. Choice is good. You should choose android.

 

[eyeseeyou]

There's a firm that can do what we want though. It's called Neucase and for $200 or so they give you a new casing in the colors you want (with band colors the color you want). They send your old one back to you for warranty purposes.

Nice although $200 is a lot for an already expensive product. It'll be covered in a case anyhow lol

 

[thegrants82]

Hi. Sold my iPhone 6 over a month ago I'm kinda missing it. Liked the smooth UI, gestures, speedy camera and gaming. But i still think there are many missing features which are really needed. Since iOS 9.x i could be wrong with this presumption and need your thoughts on the following:
1. No custom action centre w/ ability to add/remove toggles such as network signal toggle
2. Full stereo video recording
3. Ability to assign an mp3 file as ringtone via the music player
4. Speed dial on keypad
5. Custom equaliser on music player + louder volumes when using headphones
6. Third-party app link (e.g. Youtube, Instagram, etc.) to open in app and not in Safari
7. Queue next song ability in music player
8. Faster wireless file transfer (mp3 & mp4) from Mac to phone with or without iTunes
9. Ability to share Notes to third-parties such as Gmail, Evernote, etc.
10. Dedicated file manager on device
11. Ability to dismiss all tasks in multitasking at the same time (like Android)
12. Wide-angled photos
13. Water-resistant body coating
14. No 16GB option as it is too small
15. Bigger battery capacity
Most of these i have been suggesting for 2(!) long years and i do not know why it has not been implemented as Android have them for a while. I would like to love having an iPhone and i feel strongly for these features. I just feel Apple has not been listening to end users. Again, i could be wrong as some of them might be in iOS 9.x already or can be "found" using apps.
Also, Will i see the same notes on my Mac Notes app with Notes on an iPhone?

Any thoughts, advice or comments please?

Stick with android

 

[Qbnkelt]

Some of the reply here are in the vein of "Not worried" or "i don't use it" or "Not Interested". All sound not very helpful to me at all. That for me it sounds like some of you only bought the iPhone because it looks "cool" on you but perhaps in fact you only use it to call or text or check some news. Basic stuff basically.

I still think 32GB should be the minimum i agree. Please see the reason why iCloud won't be applicable to me.

When i mean "Custom Equaliser" i meant a music player that has custom (or some custom-made sound enhancing features such as Dolby, etc.) equalisers. But would standalone third-party equaliser apps make the music on the music player sound better?

Quick launcher seems good as i've checked the App Store. I'll try it for myself.

There also seem to have updates from the Google Photos and Google Drive app. Am i correct in saying that all photos taken on your iPhone are now saved automatically (& synced) to your Photos & Drive app?

I did heard of "dark mode" in some apps. But i'm more interested with a dark mode on the Settings homepage as it has always been white. And white isn't gonna help with saving batteries.

I have seen the links of how to set an Mp3 song as a ringtone. But all using iTunes. Is there any other way apart from using iTunes?

I would agree that Apple has lacked innovation throughout the years with very few features added and negligible upgrades year after year while the competition have jumped 1 or 2 steps above. (And i'm talking about hardware here not much so the software). Let's not mince words here...iOS has a lot of catching up with Android. And iOS has copied some features from Android & Windows Mobile. But i still do believe Apple is still the best out there. Best in expensive hardware. Best in quick updates. Best in Privacy. Talking about Privacy i'm not too worried. I don't have Facebook. I don't use Paypal or a banking app to do business on my phone. I don't talk about work or personal life on any website or social app on my phone anyways. So privacy is the least of my worries.

Stay with Android.

 

[SoyCapitanSoyCapitan]

Three upgraded me from 6 to 6S for free. Basically they have an offer right now to terminate current contract and get 50% off whatever you owe. With that discount and trading in my old phone I got the new one for free.

The speed is great. I had no idea it would be noticeably faster than the 6 but was surprised to see that the speed was needed with today's complex webpages. Screen issues are minimal if any.

 

[geta]

You cannot get what you need if what you need is 32GB and Apple does not offer it.

Thinking about it, Apple offers 32GB iPhone > the 5s, sure its not the 'latest and the greatest', but its existing if its so important for some.

 

[angel76ph]

I'm starting to think this is a joke. You start off accusing us of basically being minimal users of our phones because we don't care about ring tones. I haven't used one in years. Then you say that you don't use on your phone social media, no financial apps, no work, and nothing personal. Seriously? Your list of things you don't do is what most people buy a smartphone for! Ring tones and background colors are more important? I use my iPhone to do many things in my personal and business life. I find that iOS is a pleasure to use for those things. Apple Pay for example is so far ahead of the rest of the world in every way. The rest of the world is playing catchup, while I pay with my watch.

If you think iOS is lagging Android, I'll have to disagree with you. Apple innovates in ways I'm afraid you don't understand. Adding a bunch more settings or a file manager is not innovating. Enabling users to safely and easy access their files where they need them is more innovative to me. I used an Android phone for 6 months this year and I personally think it is a kludgey half baked environment that I was never happier to be done with. If that's innovation, you are welcome to it. Choice is good. You should choose android.

Well could you please enlighten me how iOS innovates each year & by each phone update? The fact that there are many features in Android iOS don't have that for me doesn't sound innovation.

May i ask what Android phone you have? If it's a mid-range or low-end one and one that has a 2 generation old OS then you would be disappointed. I would. The beauty of Android is you have many choices of phones. Unlike with iPhone you are stuck with basically one. Let's take for example Galaxy S6 which came out early this year and Galaxy J5 (a mid-range phone) just after. The S6 has Android 5.0.2 as OS to start with and the J5 has 5.1.1 on lunch. Since the latter has a newer OS it feels much snapier, OS much cleaner, battery life better not considering the specs are slightly lower than the S6. It's how companies optimise and update their software. And you have a choice. Go for a much expensive phone with a slightly "older" OS (but had 5.1.1 later) or a mid-range phone with the newest OS?

 

[convergent]

I've alr

Well could you please enlighten me how iOS innovates each year & by each phone update? The fact that there are many features in Android iOS don't have that for me doesn't sound innovation.

May i ask what Android phone you have? If it's a mid-range or low-end one and one that has a 2 generation old OS then you would be disappointed. I would. The beauty of Android is you have many choices of phones. Unlike with iPhone you are stuck with basically one. Let's take for example Galaxy S6 which came out early this year and Galaxy J5 (a mid-range phone) just after. The S6 has Android 5.0.2 as OS to start with and the J5 has 5.1.1 on lunch. Since the latter has a newer OS it feels much snapier, OS much cleaner, battery life better not considering the specs are slightly lower than the S6. It's how companies optimise and update their software. And you have a choice. Go for a much expensive phone with a slightly "older" OS (but had 5.1.1 later) or a mid-range phone with the newest OS?

I've already given you numerous examples of innovation in this thread, or you could just watch any Apple keynote. It's hard to take you seriously touting a need for innovation when you are most worried about ring tones and admit you don't use your phone for what most people buy a smartphone for. Apple Pay for example is a huge innovation. You don't get it. So buy an Android and be happy.

Your second paragraph speaks for itself. It's a case study for why not to go to Android (for many). This model gets this version, but that model has that version, but this one got updated, but that one didn't, but the other one is new but two versions old... Blah, blah, blah. Thanks but no thanks. I have a Galaxy S5 by the way. Flagship when it was new. It has some nice features but ultimately is a kludgey mess because of Android.

 

[angel76ph]

I've alr


I've already given you numerous examples of innovation in this thread, or you could just watch any Apple keynote. It's hard to take you seriously touting a need for innovation when you are most worried about ring tones and admit you don't use your phone for what most people buy a smartphone for. Apple Pay for example is a huge innovation. You don't get it. So buy an Android and be happy.

Your second paragraph speaks for itself. It's a case study for why not to go to Android (for many). This model gets this version, but that model has that version, but this one got updated, but that one didn't, but the other one is new but two versions old... Blah, blah, blah. Thanks but no thanks. I have a Galaxy S5 by the way. Flagship when it was new. It has some nice features but ultimately is a kludgey mess because of Android.

I don't see why you need to be rude & disrespectful. Please respect this thread and not reply on a demeaning manner as if for you an iPhone is a God-phone. If you respect my opinion and keep with the thread of "this guy has opinions and just studying the negatives & positives" of a device then everything will be fine.

It would appear you also made up your mind in dissing Android and stick to what is a limited, close-platform OS that is iOS. I wonder how long have you had the S5 for. I can go on about fragmentation and updates but again it seems you made up your mind already.

I was hoping to get meaningful answers. I did. But not rudeness from you.

 

[convergent]

I don't see why you need to be rude & disrespectful. Please respect this thread and not reply on a demeaning manner as if for you an iPhone is a God-phone. If you respect my opinion and keep with the thread of "this guy has opinions and just studying the negatives & positives" of a device then everything will be fine.

It would appear you also made up your mind in dissing Android and stick to what is a limited, close-platform OS that is iOS. I wonder how long have you had the S5 for. I can go on about fragmentation and updates but again it seems you made up your mind already.

I was hoping to get meaningful answers. I did. But not rudeness from you.

I'm sorry I came across rude. The premise of your thread was that you wanted everyone to convince you to buy an iPhone when you clearly want an Android phone. You didn't even do your own homework (google) on a bunch of stuff in your list of complaints. And you've ignored many of the responses from me and others that contradicted your views. That kind of set up the tone I believe. I did give you examples of innovation several times. I was serious when I said I thought you were making this up... and maybe that is coming across in my tone. Its mind boggling to me that you would be complaining about a lack of innovation, and use examples of things that are fairly old... like ring tone creation... as your must have complaints. Then you state that you don't use your phone for what most people buy one for. It stands to reason that much of Apple's innovation might escape your field of need. Apple Pay for example. Being able to quickly and securely pay for something with my watch is pretty darn innovative. I've seen other threads that ask for things like, "why did you switch from Android?". If you saw my responses in that thread, I listed a whole bunch of things I liked about my Android phone but those were offset greatly by what the iPhone provides (for me). I don't believe the iPhone is a "God-phone". That was a bit rude to say about me. If you are seriously wanting to buy an iPhone, you might approach this differently. First do you your own research. Then for things that really are show stoppers to you, give them each a separate thread and ask for ideas on how to work around them. Spouting off a long list of "complaints" on a forum frequented by users and fans of the product you are complaining about isn't likely to get you the most positive responses. Just saying.

 

[eyoungren]

I did give you examples of innovation several times.

For the record, having used iOS 5, 6, 7, 8 and now 9, I have yet to find anything "innovative" about iOS since iOS 6.

Although, I guess that depends on if you've jailbroken or not. I find that most of the things Apple has "innovated" on from 7 onwards to be poor copys of jailbreak tweaks - or just refinements of an existing "feature".

Quick Reply for messages in iOS 7 is a complete joke in comparison to BiteSMS.

Blocking phone numbers? iBlacklist.

Different ringtone assignments and vibration patterns? RingerX VIP/Ringer & Tones

Do Not Disturb globally (locked/unlocked)? Luna.

Front flash? Cydia tweak (although I acknowledge others have said Apple's method is better, the idea was a JB tweak first).

And then there are app store influences. Before iOS 7, how prolific were flashlight apps in the app store? What did Apple do, they put a link to the flashlight in Control Center which killed all the flashlight apps in the app store. This in turn was also ripping off NCSettings and SBSettings.

Sure, there's been some minor stuff Apple has introduced all on it's own. If you want to call that innovation, sure, fine. Apple Pay. Great. Although near-field payment systems were present on non-Apple phones well before Apple Pay (I won't argue that Apple Pay is probably better though).

But overall, there is nothing I use in iOS 9 now that I did not use in iOS 6. I'm only on iOS 9 because I've been forced there through time and circumstances.

I just don't see much here that falls under "innovative" when a lot of it's been done by jailbreak devs before Apple appropriated it.

 

[convergent]

For the record, having used iOS 5, 6, 7, 8 and now 9, I have yet to find anything "innovative" about iOS since iOS 6.

Although, I guess that depends on if you've jailbroken or not. I find that most of the things Apple has "innovated" on from 7 onwards to be poor copys of jailbreak tweaks - or just refinements of an existing "feature".

Quick Reply for messages in iOS 7 is a complete joke in comparison to BiteSMS.

Blocking phone numbers? iBlacklist.

Different ringtone assignments and vibration patterns? RingerX VIP/Ringer & Tones

Do Not Disturb globally (locked/unlocked)? Luna.

Front flash? Cydia tweak (although I acknowledge others have said Apple's method is better, the idea was a JB tweak first).

And then there are app store influences. Before iOS 7, how prolific were flashlight apps in the app store? What did Apple do, they put a link to the flashlight in Control Center which killed all the flashlight apps in the app store. This in turn was also ripping off NCSettings and SBSettings.

Sure, there's been some minor stuff Apple has introduced all on it's own. If you want to call that innovation, sure, fine. Apple Pay. Great. Although near-field payment systems were present on non-Apple phones well before Apple Pay (I won't argue that Apple Pay is probably better though).

But overall, there is nothing I use in iOS 9 now that I did not use in iOS 6. I'm only on iOS 9 because I've been forced there through time and circumstances.

I just don't see much here that falls under "innovative" when a lot of it's been done by jailbreak devs before Apple appropriated it.

NFC existing before. Right... that's the point. Apple's innovation is what caused it to be a market success. There is innovation in inventing NFC. There is also innovation and figuring out how to connect it to users in a way that they use it and love it.

I think that this thread exemplifies the basic difference between an iOS user and an Android user. If any of you have been around for more than a few years, its nothing different from the two camps 10 years ago with Windows Mobile and Palm in some sense, or Mac and Windows with laptops desktops. Not everyone has the same goals with their technology. There was a time when I would have had a geek-fest with Android, root'n and rom'n, but that time has passed. These days, I'm all about productivity and getting work/life done so that I can enjoy other things. For me and my family and most of my friends, iOS delivers.

Apple's innovation is broader than being able to assign a ring tone. Its about their whole ecosystem, security, easy of use, refinement, etc.. That has been the case since Steve Jobs produced the first Mac. People buy into the "it just works" in much bigger numbers than the "bell and whistle of the week" camp. If you don't get that, or it doesn't match your goals of your technology, then you belong with Android. Not sure why this is so hard to understand, as its not new and existed before an iPhone was even created. People that buy Apple are expecting the total package to be greater than the sum of its parts.

The first iPhone produced NO CAPABILITY that I couldn't do with a Pocket PC Phone Edition device 5 years earlier. So by your definition, it wasn't innovative. And yet it put all the other major platforms out of business (Palm, Windows Mobile, Symbian, and Blackberry) and now captures 93% of the total market profit of all smartphones in the world... just let that sink in for a moment. If you can't see the "innovation" in doing that, then you don't get iOS... plain and simple. There is nothing new about Apple's approach to "innovation" with the 6s Plus... its pretty much the pinnacle of Apple innovation. Clearly more than a few people "get it" and buy Apple.

 

[eyoungren]

NFC existing before. Right... that's the point. Apple's innovation is what caused it to be a market success. There is innovation in inventing NFC. There is also innovation and figuring out how to connect it to users in a way that they use it and love it.

I think that this thread exemplifies the basic difference between an iOS user and an Android user. If any of you have been around for more than a few years, its nothing different from the two camps 10 years ago with Windows Mobile and Palm in some sense, or Mac and Windows with laptops desktops. Not everyone has the same goals with their technology. There was a time when I would have had a geek-fest with Android, root'n and rom'n, but that time has passed. These days, I'm all about productivity and getting work/life done so that I can enjoy other things. For me and my family and most of my friends, iOS delivers.

Apple's innovation is broader than being able to assign a ring tone. Its about their whole ecosystem, security, easy of use, refinement, etc.. That has been the case since Steve Jobs produced the first Mac. People buy into the "it just works" in much bigger numbers than the "bell and whistle of the week" camp. If you don't get that, or it doesn't match your goals of your technology, then you belong with Android. Not sure why this is so hard to understand, as its not new and existed before an iPhone was even created. People that buy Apple are expecting the total package to be greater than the sum of its parts.

The first iPhone produced NO CAPABILITY that I couldn't do with a Pocket PC Phone Edition device 5 years earlier. So by your definition, it wasn't innovative. And yet it put all the other major platforms out of business (Palm, Windows Mobile, Symbian, and Blackberry) and now captures 93% of the total market profit of all smartphones in the world... just let that sink in for a moment. If you can't see the "innovation" in doing that, then you don't get iOS... plain and simple. There is nothing new about Apple's approach to "innovation" with the 6s Plus... its pretty much the pinnacle of Apple innovation. Clearly more than a few people "get it" and buy Apple.

I'm not arguing innovation with the iPhone. I'm arguing innovation with iOS.

The reason I buy the iPhone is because I like the design - or at least I loved the iPhone 5 design. I have a 6s+ now only because of other reasons.

OP has already said he's not interested in jailbreaking. But I am and I do. Because I want the underlying qualities of iOS that attract me and the ability to modify or remove the annoying qualities I don't like. If and when jailbreaking dies I will probably move on to Android or whatever platform is present then that allows customization.

 

[ABC5S]

OP, go by an Android already. This is getting old, and tiresome, and no argument is going to change your mind anyway sense this thread by you was a bait.

 

[convergent]

I'm not arguing innovation with the iPhone. I'm arguing innovation with iOS.

There is no Apple iPhone without iOS, and there is no Apple innovation in the iPhone without innovation in iOS.

This again proves my point... Apple doesn't approach this the way that Google or the Jailbreakers do. And I'd also go so far to say that it doesn't stop at the hardware and iOS... its the whole Apple ecosystem including iCloud, Siri, Apple Pay, Apple Music, Macs, iTunes, Apple TV... etc.. heck you can even include AirPort Routers. Its an ecosystem that they continue to evolve. The more you buy into it, the better the experience and more innovation you can tap into.

Apple has no interest in the individual merits of the OS vs. some other OS. Its not their game. They are after the whole being greater than the parts... which it definitely is.

This definitely contributed to my dissatisfaction with Android... dropping it into an existing Apple ecosystem... but it wasn't the main reason I gave up on Android (for now). It was more the myriad of things that left it being a bit kludgey, insecure, and way to "high maintenance" for my taste. Google too has an ecosystem of essentially free stuff they give away to get you bought in and providing them the user data that is how they make their money.

 

[HEK]

NFC existing before. Right... that's the point. Apple's innovation is what caused it to be a market success. There is innovation in inventing NFC. There is also innovation and figuring out how to connect it to users in a way that they use it and love it.

I think that this thread exemplifies the basic difference between an iOS user and an Android user. If any of you have been around for more than a few years, its nothing different from the two camps 10 years ago with Windows Mobile and Palm in some sense, or Mac and Windows with laptops desktops. Not everyone has the same goals with their technology. There was a time when I would have had a geek-fest with Android, root'n and rom'n, but that time has passed. These days, I'm all about productivity and getting work/life done so that I can enjoy other things. For me and my family and most of my friends, iOS delivers.

Apple's innovation is broader than being able to assign a ring tone. Its about their whole ecosystem, security, easy of use, refinement, etc.. That has been the case since Steve Jobs produced the first Mac. People buy into the "it just works" in much bigger numbers than the "bell and whistle of the week" camp. If you don't get that, or it doesn't match your goals of your technology, then you belong with Android. Not sure why this is so hard to understand, as its not new and existed before an iPhone was even created. People that buy Apple are expecting the total package to be greater than the sum of its parts.

The first iPhone produced NO CAPABILITY that I couldn't do with a Pocket PC Phone Edition device 5 years earlier. So by your definition, it wasn't innovative. And yet it put all the other major platforms out of business (Palm, Windows Mobile, Symbian, and Blackberry) and now captures 93% of the total market profit of all smartphones in the world... just let that sink in for a moment. If you can't see the "innovation" in doing that, then you don't get iOS... plain and simple. There is nothing new about Apple's approach to "innovation" with the 6s Plus... its pretty much the pinnacle of Apple innovation. Clearly more than a few people "get it" and buy Apple.

Thank you, very well written.

The iOS and the hardware are linked together to a far greater extent than any other phone and operating system. It is precisely that link, that synergy, that has propelled the iPhone/iOS into that 93% market profit share. By building both the phone and the operating system and keeping them closed. Apple has provided something unique and innovative to hundreds of millions of users. It's this innovative user experience with higher security, ease of use, strongest reliability, that keeps me coming back year after year. Knowing it works, consistently, provides me with a tool I can rely on without getting under the hood.

There is a small but vocal minority that wants to get into tinkering with phone and they jailbreak. I would not try to convince them either the rightness or wrongness of doing so for themselves. It affects me in no way so let them play. I do find it curious as to the vehement desire for jailbreakers to try and convince others for their justification in jailbreaking. It's almost as if they are trying to convince themselves of the rightness in jailbreaking. Perhaps a spurious observation on my part. But I do sense a frustration from jailbreakers that Apple regularly updates the iOS defeating their jailbreaks.

For myself and the millions that don't want to get into tinkering with the software for our own equally valid reasons, we are unimpressed with this or that feature jailbreakers say they are achieving. By shear volume of happy repeat buyers, Apple has and continues to go down a path we endorse with our hard earned money. The safest, most secure overall phone/operating system out of the box. With frequent usable updates, and product enhancements which may not be first out of the gate, but are definitely innovative because they generally work better than and more uniformly across the platforms that support the feature. And if some of those features were first tried in jailbreaks so what, their are others that jailbreaks could never achieve alone, like 3D Touch, finger print ID, Apple Pay, regardless how dismissive a jailbreakers may wish to make them seem.

 

[eyoungren]

…its the whole Apple ecosystem including iCloud, Siri, Apple Pay, Apple Music, Macs, iTunes, Apple TV... etc.. heck you can even include AirPort Routers. Its an ecosystem that they continue to evolve. The more you buy into it, the better the experience and more innovation you can tap into.

And that scares me somewhat.

I'm a PowerPC user since System 7 and on into OS X. I am used to being able to customize my Mac the way I wish, which is one of the reasons I latched onto jailbreaking as quick as I did when I got my first iPhone.

But with El Capitan, Apple is implementing System Integrity Protection (SIP). This prevents any modification of underlying UNIX folders on a Mac system. Right now you can turn it off, but in the future? Who knows. If Apple is truly gravitating towards their own ecosystem then I can see a day where just like iOS, the only thing you can customize on a Mac is your wallpaper and where you place your icons. Installing an app will mean it comes from the app store and not a downloadable installer.

Now, most people will ask why you'd want to mess around with the underlying UNIX folders on a Mac. Customization. But Apple wants to ensure that every install looks exactly the same - so there goes any customization of the OS.

This is one reason my MP at work is not upgraded to El Capitan and one reason I continue to stick with PowerPC Macs at home.

If Apple ever does get there entirely (in locking everything down) then I will indeed be looking at a different manufacturer for my devices.

Innovation is great, but for me, the price of not being able to customize my device is too great.

 

[eyoungren]

There is a small but vocal minority that wants to get into tinkering with phone and they jailbreak. I would not try to convince them either the rightness or wrongness of doing so for themselves. It affects me in no way so let them play. I do find it curious as to the vehement desire for jailbreakers to try and convince others for their justification in jailbreaking. It's almost as if they are trying to convince themselves of the rightness in jailbreaking. Perhaps a spurious observation on my part. But I do sense a frustration from jailbreakers that Apple regularly updates the iOS defeating their jailbreaks.

That is because there is an equal and opposite vehemence by anti-jailbreakers as to the wrongness of jailbreaking - as if what we are doing is both illegal and unethical. Just because Apple has decided that it voids warranty.

Spurious accusations such as jailbreakers only do this to commit piracy or that somehow the act of jailbreaking immediately compromises the device.

One person on here even took us to task becuase we were "violating" the EULA and for him that was akin to breaking a law.