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Stolen MacBook Pro Schematics Confirm Apple's Plans to Add More Ports and Remove Touch Bar

Why is Apple design having a hard time understanding their own implementations and what users are saying about them


I haven't once heard someone say the touchbar was bad and should be absolutely removed. I think it's a novel and cool idea and would have loved to see it exist on more computers. With all Mac's having a keyboard option with it


THe problem Apple keeps bumping into is that it's not a replacement for the function key. it is a good addition to it. This sith like dealing with absolutes of all or nothing is just so infuriating to watch Apple make

A keyboard, with a full function row, AND a touch bar above it would be I think a wonderful keyboard
 
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00sjsl said:
Two of the four thundebolt ports on my 2016 MacBook Pro have worn out. All four could fail before the battery or keyboard does. I for one am looking forward to the magsafe. Hopefully usb-c will work for charging too for when travelling.
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I hate connectors with a tongue on the female side. So terrible. The most fragile piece of material just waiting to break. Lightning got this right.
 
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No USB A. I am disappointed, USBC is just not a replacement. I can't find an external mouse that works (with a USBA dongle) with my MacBook Air M1 without lagging and I have to keep an older laptop just for the times I need a mouse. By what I gather bluetooth mouses are very laggy as well with Apple's laptops.

It's so disappointing, my Air is a great laptop but it cannot do basic things any $300 netbook can because of weird design decisions.
 
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Didn’t read through the whole thread, so maybe someone already suggested this, but perhaps Apple going back to some form of MagSafe on their MBP’s is related to what they’re doing with the MagSafe and Ethernet connectivity on the new iMacs? Some type of dual functionality makes some sense.

In general, I didn’t think that MagSafe made as much sense, especially with the huge gains in battery life they’ve been able to achieve with the M1.

There is far less reason to worry about tripping over a power cord while sitting at a coffee shop, if you only need to charge once every couple of days. Sure, people will forget and need to plug in at inopportune times, but it’s just not the same as it used to be where you’d need to plug in every couple of hours just to keep working.
 
turbineseaplane said:
wha?

Are you new here?

We have had endless TouchBar threads and posts for years calling for removal/killing it
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No, i'm not new h ere

I'm willing to bet (A coffee :p) that if you were to give the option to most of the people complaining, to have the function row AND the touchbar. They'd all jump for the both.

Apple have this weird thing where they come up with this Eureka idea "THIS IS THE WAY!" and implement it. And sometimes those ideas aren't fully well thought out. But because it is their idea, no way will the relent on pushing only that option

We see it here with the touchbar replacing the function row

We saw it with the butterfly keyboard. it took lawsuits, and overwhelming complaints before they relented and went back to the one that was already loved and considered best in market

we see it with FaceID vs TouchID. Absolute refusal to have both available in some form on the same device. it's taken masks and covid for Apple to start considering that maybe the single forced method isn't always the best method., and hopefully the iPhone 14 will have both faceID and touchID
 
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Which means 2 TB ports on the 1 side, and an additional USB-C port on the other side. As I've predicted for 6 months now.

@cmaier

Still want to claim the writing hasn't been on the wall this entire time?
 
jmgregory1 said:
Didn’t read through the whole thread, so maybe someone already suggested this, but perhaps Apple going back to some form of MagSafe on their MBP’s is related to what they’re doing with the MagSafe and Ethernet connectivity on the new iMacs? Some type of dual functionality makes some sense.

In general, I didn’t think that MagSafe made as much sense, especially with the huge gains in battery life they’ve been able to achieve with the M1.

There is far less reason to worry about tripping over a power cord while sitting at a coffee shop, if you only need to charge once every couple of days. Sure, people will forget and need to plug in at inopportune times, but it’s just not the same as it used to be where you’d need to plug in every couple of hours just to keep working.
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None of it actually makes sense until you understand why. For whatever reason, Apple isn't able to include more than 2 TB ports on any of these Apple Silicon Macs.

By going down to 2 ports, they don't want to consume any of those for charging, and don't want it to seem like a downgrade, so they're hiding it by adding back legacy ports which is so captivating to Pro users that they miss the reason entirely.
 
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I've been coming here, as a formal member, since 2001. Lurked here even earlier. Over the course of TWO DECADES (omfg that seems impossible), I have read thousands of posts. And I can't recall a single time where anyone in this community took issue with the ethics of any of the leaked info MR has posted to date. None. Until today. Weird.
 
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turbineseaplane said:
Really any color, but particularly light shades, is the problem...not the specific shade.

Black bezels “disappear”
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Interesting theory. Colourists for film and television choose a neutral grey for walls, typically 18% grey. They choose this because anything else can interfere with their perception of luminance, hue, and saturation. They most certainly do not choose black. I am thinking that is the logic that motivated Apple’s choice.

Put two large stones in the middle of a field, one painted light grey, one painted black, and tell me which “disappears”?
 
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FishyFish said:
Hahaha no way any Apple mobile chip is taking even 80W.
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The power brick should provide power to the whole system: SoC + monitor + logic board + periferals + speakers + all the rest....For all we know, the 16" MBP could even have a separate Apple dGPU...

The new iMac, with the same measly m1 chip as the MBA, has a magsafe 143W power brick....
 
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Woyly said:
I don’t see MagSafe coming back tho. Like if usb c ports can be used to charge still then why change it just to not get tripped over by mistake? Maybe a MagSafe to usb c cable as an option?
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Because there won't be 4 ports anymore.
 
Duane Martin said:
Interesting theory. Colourists for film and television choose a neutral grey for walls, typically 18% grey. They choose this because anything else can interfere with their perception of luminance, hue, and saturation. They most certainly do not choose black. I am thinking that is the logic that motivated Apple’s choice.
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Interesting.
What color bezels do their pro monitors usually have?

(asking - hoping you can share)

And why would Apple do that or worry about that on this incredibly consumer focused “MacBook Air on a stick”?

I think the opposite was true and they simply don’t care and just went with what they think looks best/different from the past since this is very much a fashion lifestyle entry level product.

Would you agree?

If not then I assume you think they will also have light colored bezels on larger iMacs and future pro products?
 
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It seems those who espouse that the weak link in Apples security are the suppliers, are correct. Wonder how many of the managers in these companies are getting paid off?
 
firestarter said:
USB C is the best thing to happen to device charging in decades.

I absolutely DO NOT WANT to return to proprietary chargers and connectors. Apple, hope the Magsafe is optional and this will remain chargeable from a USB C port.
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Unfortunately USB C chargers have one major disadvantage compared to Magsafe. I guess you can't make everyone happy, but we will certainly be VERY happy to see Magsafe return. We never had a single Magsafe laptop damaged due to being pulled off a desk during the entire Magsafe run. So that was about 2006-present = 15 years with zero magsafe-caused damage. We've had 2 laptops equipped with USB C pulled off of desks and damaged just this year. This is in an education environment.

Most of the time I would agree with you that the standard is the way to go; I wouldn't mind iPhones and iPads moving to USB C. But in this specific case; magsafe is just one of the most brilliant safeguards against accidental damage ever put in a laptop and I can't wait to see it return. It's the rare case where the proprietary design is so superior that it's worth it.
 
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k3ith said:
Why are you posting stolen information?
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LOL, how is this any different than all of the other information you read here on a daily basis? Because you know the method of theft?

Do you think the rest of the daily deluge of rumors and leaks comes from Apple volunteering that information?
 
Maconplasma said:
Because the TB3 ports act as the charging system for the MacBooks. It doesn't make sense to have the Magsafe if it's all it's going to be a redundant charger.
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The patent Apple applied for implied not only that the charging speeds would be significantly faster, but it could also pass data.
 
MacRumors should seriously consider not publishing materials known to be obtained illegally, especially when doing so arguably furthers the criminal endeavor.

As to the leak itself, it would be disappointing if Apple were to go back to MagSafe as its sole method for charging. I suppose there is an argument for including it if people also remain able to charge via USB-C.
 
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Unfortunately USB C chargers have one major disadvantage compared to Magsafe. I guess you can't make everyone happy, but we will certainly be VERY happy to see Magsafe return. We never had a single Magsafe laptop damaged due to being pulled off a desk during the entire Magsafe run. So that was about 2006-present = 15 years with zero magsafe-caused damage. We've had 2 laptops equipped with USB C pulled off of desks and damaged just this year. This is in an education environment.

Most of the time I would agree with you that the standard is the way to go; I wouldn't mind iPhones and iPads moving to USB C. But in this specific case; magsafe is just one of the most brilliant safeguards against accidental damage ever put in a laptop and I can't wait to see it return. It's the rare case where the proprietary design is so superior that it's worth the it.
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At what point are laptops themselves too light weight for the "safety" aspect of MagSafe to be rendered null?
 
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