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Strong Demand for MacBook Pro Increases Apple's Notebook Market Share in Last Quarter
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Is it 13inch without touchbar?
I would like to know its battery life and time to charge 100%.
How to lie with statistics.
So they saw a 10% increase YoY, but they don't tell you about the 9.8% loss that occurred during 2016. So they've regained their ground... break even over 2 years, which they actually haven't.
So where did the record breaking revenue come from? Well, that's easy, all that's left is the price of the computer. Surprise surprise, which have consistently been going up in the Tim Cook era.
Please don't make it sound like this is an amazing turnaround. All this tells me is the market for Mac's hasn't really grown over the last 2 years, if anything they have yet to recover from last years loss because the 9.8% loss is greater than the 10% gain.
So they saw a 10% increase YoY, but they don't tell you about the 9.8% loss that occurred during 2016. So they've regained their ground... break even over 2 years, which they actually haven't.
So where did the record breaking revenue come from? Well, that's easy, all that's left is the price of the computer. Surprise surprise, which have consistently been going up in the Tim Cook era.
Please don't make it sound like this is an amazing turnaround. All this tells me is the market for Mac's hasn't really grown over the last 2 years, if anything they have yet to recover from last years loss because the 9.8% loss is greater than the 10% gain.
Im a user of the latest MacBook pro. Well it was issued to me by my employer. It feels just like my late 2013 MBP. No need for a replacement yet.
What are you trying to watch? My 2011 MBP runs 1080p video just fine. If you're trying to play HEVC/h.265 video (a lot of torrents come in that format), well, then you have a problem, because only the 2017 models play that naively right now.
Anyway, it's speculated that the CPU/GPU package that Intel and AMD revealed last week was pushed-along by Apple as a much-needed solution for weak laptop graphics.
All of the above. And add an option to choose between Black or White accessories? Tired of the apple white
A keyboard that has a noticeably higher fail rate than previous is not subjective. It's a design flaw.
I was going to say the keyboard is **** but thought I'd be diplomatic for a change.
You're assuming people can assume value correctly and are wise with their money. Yet we have people who buy new iphones every year and sell them at a loss only to buy the new more expensive ones. People buy brand new cars, yet lose thousands of dollars of value the instant that ink dry's. Most people don't have money to cover a $500 emergency, most people don't have much if any retirement savings, many people were/are still underwater on their mortgage. I can keep going if you like.
So when you tell me people voted with their wallets, that means almost absolutely nothing. The very thing they used in their wallet (credit card) to "vote with", most people don't/can't pay off in full at the end of the month tells me how much I really should pay attention to people when trying giving advice or how wise their decision is.
Yeah, and I think the consumers are the ones buying the Macs so they are, in fact, indicating their wishes over Apple's profits. In case you missed the point of the article, Mac sales are up. I make my living editing video and, like many of my colleagues, I am very happy with my 2016 MBP.
And seriously folks, the escape key is right there on the touch bar. It's not difficult to find. More or less where it has always been.
Looking at Apple’s financials is interesting. The average selling price in Q4 this year across Mac mini, MacBook and Mac Pro is $1,330.
With laptops being roughly 80% of the overall Mac sales, one could arguably estimate maybe $1,300 ASP for laptops.
1) One way to look at that is that for every laptop sold at $2,100, four were sold at 1,100.
2) Apple still sells quite a few Airs, and a lot of entry level laptops.
3) Apple sells relatively few expensive MacBook Pro.
4) ASP for last year’s September quarter was $1,175, so you can definitely see how the better MBP sales are contributing to increased ASP.
I had no idea ASP was so low for Macs. If you’d have asked me before I looked at the numbers, I would have guessed closer to $2,000.
With laptops being roughly 80% of the overall Mac sales, one could arguably estimate maybe $1,300 ASP for laptops.
1) One way to look at that is that for every laptop sold at $2,100, four were sold at 1,100.
2) Apple still sells quite a few Airs, and a lot of entry level laptops.
3) Apple sells relatively few expensive MacBook Pro.
4) ASP for last year’s September quarter was $1,175, so you can definitely see how the better MBP sales are contributing to increased ASP.
I had no idea ASP was so low for Macs. If you’d have asked me before I looked at the numbers, I would have guessed closer to $2,000.
That's a lot of 128GB SSDs, 5400rpm HDDs and low-res TN panels Apple must be selling...
...and then you proceed to make a ton of assumptions.
If the MacBook Pros were that horrible, people wouldn't buy them. I bought one and it's a great laptop.
My "assumptions" about people's finances and buying habits are facts that are well documented. If you keep up with consumer spending habit reports from Bloomberg, AP, BBC, etc... you'll see them. That's where I get them.
As for the "if it's horrible", you go right back into my point of people simply don't know. I will bring back up the new car value loss. If new cars were that horrible of a deal, people wouldn't buy them. Fact, it is a horrible deal. You lose THOUSANDS when you sign your name, yet people still buy them. Buying habits of people is not a good indicator on what is or is not horrible. People are easily manipulated by marketing which Apple is a master of.
Look, I'm not saying MBP's are horrible, I'm just pointing out that sales and revenue doesn't equate to whether a product is actually good or not.
EDIT: I just want people to actually critically think about things and look behind the curtain. Look at the actual real numbers. Understand what it means, because the reality is, a skilled salesman can manipulate numbers to say WHATEVER they want it to say. I can't recommend "How to lie with statics" by Darrel Huff highly enough. It really opened my eyes to a lot of it.
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Last weekend I reinstalled my 2013 Macbook Air, which came with Mountain Lion, and I was surprised how much better it feels over my late 2016 MBP, sans the bad screen.
The keyboard is much better to type on and Mountain Lion‘s user interface with its sceomorphistic controls looks very Apple like.
The keyboard is much better to type on and Mountain Lion‘s user interface with its sceomorphistic controls looks very Apple like.
This thread is getting funny. So many trying to figure out why Macs are still selling well and all they can come up with is the old tripe that people who buy Apple are stupid. How long has that tired old drivel been making the rounds? Forty years now?
You have to look at the markets that Apple is still selling large volume into, mainly Education. That tends to be entry-level (crap) 21" iMacs with hard drives (ugh, terrible user experience) and a LOT of now-grossly-overpriced-but-no-other-alternative MacBook Airs. Surely this isn't something that knowledgeable Apple shareholders should be happy about. (For fun, seek out and see what your local school district is buying, if they are still buying Macs and aren't already purchasing ChromeBooks; or see what many colleges were pushing onto incoming freshman this year (tip: MacBook Airs, not MacBooks). Rather sad.)
As someone else mentioned, the bigger story really should be Apple's sales numbers over the past 5 years. There was a TREMENDOUS pent-up demand for new MacBook Pros coming into 2016, and that never seemed to have materialized. The 2016/2017 MacBook Pros just righted the ship, they haven't yet INCREASED over the late-2015 "no show" debacle. Also, the current model MacBook is just NOT performing well. Anyone in the retail channel that refuses to call the current MacBook a sales turd is lying; that the MacBook Air is still selling as strongly as it is should be proof enough. But go back to the pricing and popularity of the 2009/2010 plastic MacBook and the 2009-2012 13" MacBook Pro; this current lineup just isn't getting the results we should expect. The MacBook is over-priced and under-featured; the keyboard and single-USB port are turning people away. The MacBook Pro losing Mag-Safe (perhaps the single greatest innovation Apple has introduced to laptops besides an actual, functional trackpad) and the exorbitant price for a completely locked-down, non-upgradeable system, caused many professionals and prosumers to look elsewhere. And the same is happening in the Mac mini and 21" iMac space; entry-level buyers are just turned off at the price and see Windows 10 as "good enough" again. This happened during Windows 2000/XP, and Apple's sales suffered eventually, and suffered greatly.
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One more time, these numbers are nonsense. It does not specify which percentage are actually Macbook Pro's.
I actually was waiting for the new Macbook Pro and ended buying the older model due to the lack of ports and was way overpriced.
What is scarier, is that Apple keeps making excuses and failed to recognize the failure of the latest Macbook Pro.
-No mag-safe
-less ports
-So called Pro, but do not have enough RAM
-problems with Battery.
-Overpriced.
It is also scary that the entire computer line up has not been updated.
- Mac minis
- Mac Pros (another big failure)
- iMac (although they updated the internals, the design has been the same for how many years now?). Compare to the Surface Pro, it is a joke.
Not even to mention, that they make all computers closed, harder and harder to upgrade.
So sad, that many pro users, tired of waiting have been looking for Hackintosh, 2012 towers or PC options.
Sadly Apple innovation has been left aside for sale numbers. it turned into a phone company.
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One thing is to be more expensive, but the latest Macbook Pros are actually a joke.
They have less ports, they remove the best feature (mag-safe), problem with battery among many other issues...
I actually was waiting for the new Macbook Pro and ended buying the older model due to the lack of ports and was way overpriced.
What is scarier, is that Apple keeps making excuses and failed to recognize the failure of the latest Macbook Pro.
-No mag-safe
-less ports
-So called Pro, but do not have enough RAM
-problems with Battery.
-Overpriced.
It is also scary that the entire computer line up has not been updated.
- Mac minis
- Mac Pros (another big failure)
- iMac (although they updated the internals, the design has been the same for how many years now?). Compare to the Surface Pro, it is a joke.
Not even to mention, that they make all computers closed, harder and harder to upgrade.
So sad, that many pro users, tired of waiting have been looking for Hackintosh, 2012 towers or PC options.
Sadly Apple innovation has been left aside for sale numbers. it turned into a phone company.
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One thing is to be more expensive, but the latest Macbook Pros are actually a joke.
They have less ports, they remove the best feature (mag-safe), problem with battery among many other issues...
Some key takeaways for me....
Cook boasts of a "revenue record" but this to me is unsurprising given the cost of current Macs. It would be interesting to see units sold rather than revenue generalities. This would be a better indicator of market share.
Second, Cook boasts "The performance was reportedly fueled by big demand for the MacBook Pro, said Cook, and Mac revenue grew 25 percent to a new September quarter record." Again, we can make no inference on actual unit growth. The units cost more, so it is expected that Apple's revenue would increase even if sales were steady.
Third, Cook emphasizes "big demand for the MacBook Pro," but this says nothing. There are no facts to illustrate what comprises big demand.
Lastly, it seems the educational market is where gains are being made and I wonder if this is not where the "big demand" for MBPs comes from. Locally, MBAs outsell all other notebooks. Given the increasing margin of the MBA based on the decreasing costs of their aging components, this report is not unexpected.
Apple will never give us real data; only this fluff. It is good news Macs are selling, I am just not drinking the "everyone loves the nMBPs" that Apple is selling.
In 2017 what can a PC do that a Mac can't? High end gaming rig? A handful of ancient software packages that is for a some specialized industry?
I have a high end gaming PC and honestly it is just that. Basically a console since I use my Macbook for anything non gaming. I use it at work as well in a Windows world and can do everything that Windows users can do as well.
I just got the Xbox One X and I will be moving my gaming over to it as I simply can't stand the crazy amount of cheating going on with AAA multiplayer PC games.
That shouldn't be happening. Is there a chance you got a lemon or something? Have you taken it to the Apple Store to let them have a look? I mean, being unable to play the latest FPS at full settings is understandable but playing full-screen video shouldn't be a problem at all.
ohh.. Please enlighten all of us how a Macbook Pro is soooo good??
- They removed the best feature, Mag-Safe
- Big battery problems
- Bad Keyboard
- Lack of ports
- Lack of connectivity
- So called "Pro" but lack of RAM and old HD
- Overpriced.
That many people buy Dells does not make Dells a good computer. Same applies to Apple.
Wait, I’ve been reading these forums and this can’t be right. I thought the MacBook Pros were stupid, the Touch Bar was a fail, the ports were inane, and nobody would want one. All of these buyers must be deluded.