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That mockup looks more like an iPod touch than an iPhone.

Maybe it is time for a new screen resolution on the iPhone.

1024 X 768 at 4 inches is 320 ppi

Better at 1024 x 640 which would give 302 ppi at 4 inches - still a retina display. That would keep the phone width down, adding only pixels to the length where there is room to grow.

Current apps would work fine, filling the screen width while a few pixels at the top or bottom might go unused and unnoticed. An aspect ratio of 1.6 would be better for movies and browsing.
 
That image is ridiculous. There is no way they will not make the screen centered in landscape.
 
Well theres your first mistake, last i looked the iPhone 4 is the iPhone 4's with a new chip,
enhanced camera and with an antenna that actually works. This doesn't class as an update
in my book. It was also the same with the 3GS. This is most definitely a two year update
cycle for a 'NEW' handset as i clearly stated.

But that was my point, simply changing things for the sake of making a change is pretty silly, from my perspective. If you invest a lot of time and money coming up with a really good design, you will want to hold on to it, and only make a change, when you can come up with an even better design. The other manufacturers keep changing their designs because they either become outmoded very quickly, or because they come to realize how poor the design was in the first place. This isn't a good thing. Things made with quality in mind are made to last.

I disagree, maybe you've had your head stuck in an iPhone for the last five years (which
i can admit to myself) but some of the latest phones on the market are very solid, with
strong operating systems and with features Apple haven't though of yet.

That's certainly possible, but to make your case concrete tell me specifically what the others thought of that Apple hasn't. And, just the operating system and built-in features isn't enough to actually make the alternatives competitive. One of the most attractive features of Apple's paradigm is iOS and all its apps, and the full integrating with all other computing products. So far as I know, no one comes close.


And just because
these companies decide to give the user a choice between design, screen size, price and
internal chip speed doesn't mean they're wrong.

Granted, in theory they might not be wrong, but in practice all that fragmentation makes for a very shoddy App environment. It is very hard for developers to have to keep track of all these different designs and sizes so they either have to make a one size fits all app, which tends to be inelegant, or constantly be trying to keep up with all the change, wasting a bunch of time where it could be invested elsewhere. There is a reason why the iOS market place is so darn superior.

I will admit that Apple release a phone
that will still be able to hold a candle up to the competitors for the cycle of the device
but this doesn't mean they're doing the right thing, just doing things their way.

More often than not, though I'm willing to agree there are exceptions, the way Apple choses is chosen because it is the best way they can think of.

Apple updates its products at the furthest possible time it can get away with to maximise
profits for that device. Don't make the mistake of thinking they give a **** about offering
you or i legitimate improvements.

I disagree.

Almost every competitor has a better camera for starters.

Remember what I said though, total package in mind. Apple can't give you everything under the sun and keep the price point the same, so the updates are incremental each time. Plus, in all honesty, the camera on the 4S is very good. Can it be better? Sure it can. But Apple products aren't meant to just be impressive on paper, but in actual usage. When you bump up all the specs there are going to be other places where corners are cut.

Nokia has free Maps on every
device.

Minor issue.

Most have a choice of screen size and incremental price points with more advanced
hardware accordingly. Some are offering 3D camera's and technology. Some offer free
music tracks. Or to go back to basics an FM radio and expandable memory. The list does
go on i just cant think of anymore at the moment

I see now what the problem is. You want a bunch of crap. No offense but expandable memory and FM are the way of the past. I wouldn't want that on my device. Free music? You have got to be kidding me... And 3D cameras? How often would you need that on a phone? And for the most part, from the 3D stuff I've seen, it looks like crap. I have yet to be impressed with the technology. It strikes me as amateurish at best right now.
 
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I hope!

This makes sense for Apple to put a 4" screen in to the next iPhone. It could allow more room and be an excused for it to be heavier.(I hope the "heavy" part is a beastly battery) ME SO WANT ONE!:D
 
That's a good point. I figured most apps are already 960x640, increasing the linear resolution by 1.5 times would more difficult. But if developers start from the original resolution and use 9 pixels (3x3) for every single pixel then it should be just as easy as doubling the linear resolution as with the iPhone 4.

433 PPI would be much more reasonable too, rather than 577 PPI. I've read about a 6.1" display with 495 PPI (2560x1600), so that is doable. Though it may be more difficult to achieve 433 PPI and maintain clarity, contrast ratio, and color gamut as in the new iPad. (the new iPad actually measured at 99% color gamut!)
Actually, developers don't have any say over the size of the application. It's 480x320 points for the iPhone, and 1024x768 points for the iPad. All they do is provide the higher resolution images and use the appropriate APIs for loading them, and iOS handles everything.

The colour gamut actually has to do with the panel used, so that should be fine.
 
That image is ridiculous. There is no way they will not make the screen centered in landscape.

Agreed, I don't know how anyone can believe that. I'd go further and say making it unsymmetrical (eg thinner on one side) is a nono as well.
 
LTE, bigger screen, 1 GB RAM ?
This might be the iPhone I've dreamed about.
Wake me up in Oct!

Bingo! I'm holding out to see what happens but this loooong time iPhone user is going to the dark side unless the iPhone 5 is a major redesign. These three items are must haves or I'm gone.
 
I'm really not sure how I feel about the larger screen. I like the size we have now, because it fits in my pocket. I suppose a similar amount of comfort could be achieved with a flatter design, though– wider but flatter.

I have never really liked the design of the iPhone 4. Ergonomically, it was a step backwards from the original iPhone and 3G/3GS case. A return to that tapered design would make the phone easier to hold.
 
I am very excited about this. I might own an apple product for the first time ever if this happens. (well does my Power PC clone count?)
 
Screen size and the bias of False Consensus

To all the folks claiming that 99% of everyone agrees with them, I refer you to your cognitive bias. It's called "False Consensus":

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_consensus_effect

99% of people don't agree on anything. 99% of people wouldn't even agree that Hitler was an ******, but I'd be willing to bet that it's close! Implying that the majority of people agree with your position is frequently a cognitive bias that you could start with as your hypothesis– but requires research to validate. It's fun to throw around "99% of people would agree with me!", but sometimes I feel like it's worth understanding our own biases. It's enlightening. We all have them. It will help you sway people in life if you understand them.

It's empirically obvious that a large portion of posters to this thread, maybe even 51%, don't want a MUCH larger screen. And we're nerdy fanboys with a strong opinion about the subject– ie., completely unscientific. A little bump in size seems like it would actually get the majority opinion, from what I can see so far.

There is a bell curve that represents user acceptance of anything– with the outliers on the extremes. Let's apply this to screen size on the iPhone. Apple already knows that they are CURRENTLY in the threshold of the sweet spot. They probably also believe that they could move the needle slightly. It makes sense that 4.0 could have market acceptance because the thickness could compensate for the other ergonomic issues that a larger screen introduces.

My guess (it's an educated guess!!!)– 4.0 would be tolerated greatly, especially if they thin out the design to make it fit in pockets easily. 4.2 would start to see people complain and perhaps choose a different handset– but people will balance that against a possible smaller form factor and the problem of moving to an "inferior" platform like Android or Bada. 4.5 and greater would probably be a complete disaster in the market if there wasn't an alternative that is smaller.

To appeal to a MAJORITY of users, you must meet ergonomic realities about weight, battery life, portability, and storability in pockets and purses.

Now here's my personal experience. Almost every friend of mine has an iPhone, with one or two exceptions. Not a single iPhone owner has ever complained about the screen size. Ever. They are from all sorts of professions, but are similar demographics socioeconomically. The one friend I have with an Android does like the larger screen. He's a contrarian by heart, though. I expect him to dislike Apple by default.
 
And the standard was revised due to petitioning by the carriers to include anything basically 3.5G and up. LTE was 3.9G before the change. It's all 4G now according to the standard.

What standard? There is no official definition of 4G.

There is a 4G candidate, and that is LTE Advanced.
 
Reading all this sure is fun. All this talk, excitement, or not, is great. Sorta like the time leading up to CHRISTmas! We all want to know what it's going to be like. In a few short months the picture should start to become clearer.
 
Its a sad sad day, as i completely agree with the above. I've shared the queues with you all
on release day for many years but my patience has finally run out.

I am genuinely disappointed at Apple in relation to the upgrade cycle of iPhone. And after
30+ iPhones since the iPhone 2G in July 2007 i've finally come to the realization that i've
been looking at the same old iPhone 4 design since the 24th of June 2010 and that is long
enough!

Apple used to be fresh, they used to be the best but having looked at some other
smartphones i've watched in the hands of friends over the last 18 months i think they
really have lost their edge. Now its us, 'Apple fans', with the old technology in our hands
as others look on with brand new devices.

I sold my last iPhone today and until Apple start working to my timetable and giving me
what i want and need in a handset, i cant see myself coming back anytime soon. Shame
on you Apple!

Bye! Don't let the door hit you in the %^$ on the way out.
 
That is one of thousands of spinned news articles.

ITU did not reverse anything. They said 4G is undefined and clarified some third parties are already using the term for other purposes.

although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed.

They are allowing it, not merely recognizing it.
 
They are allowing it, not merely recognizing it.

It says right there it's undefined. It doesn't authorize anything, it is saying it's being ("may be") used by third parties.

It makes no sense to authorize the usage of something which is undefined.
 
Well theres your first mistake, last i looked the iPhone 4 is the iPhone 4's with a new chip, enhanced camera and with an antenna that actually works. This doesn't class as an update in my book. It was also the same with the 3GS. This is most definitely a two year update cycle for a 'NEW' handset as i clearly stated.

Those are some pretty good - and functional - upgrades. Just because there is no change in the industrial design of the case doesn't mean the phone is the same.

I for one do not give a damn about specs as long as the phone does the job. Function - and not specs - make a device better. If the best people can hope for is increases specs that do not make it better, then they are being misguided.

As for the screen size, I don't think it will change much. There are plenty of people like myself who have small hands and it works for us. Making the screen huge like some other phones would diminish its appeal to me.
 
Originally Posted by Nyan Cat
The next iPhone needs to be between 3.8" and 4.3" else Apple will lose a majority of its customers.
Really? :rolleyes:

The screen hasn't changed size for a couple of releases now, and the sales still keep going up. Could it be that Apple's typical demographic doesn't hang out in forums all day long, and are happy with the screen size?

The screen size hasn't changed EVER! It's always been 3.5" and it's had only two resolutions, 480x320 three times, and 960x640 twice.

Yes, I agree, Apple will not lose a majority of it's customers if the screen size doesn't increase. Perhaps Nyan Cat was thinking of the somewhat disappointment with the release of the iPhone 4S and not an iPhone 5, but many customers weren't really looking for a new screen size as much as some other features.
 
Well theres your first mistake, last i looked the iPhone 4 is the iPhone 4's with a new chip, enhanced camera and with an antenna that actually works. This doesn't class as an update in my book. It was also the same with the 3GS. This is most definitely a two year update cycle for a 'NEW' handset as i clearly stated.

The iPhone 4S was quite an internal upgrade as well as the camera. The iPhone 3GS was the biggest internal upgrade every at the time (even the iPhone 4 wasn't that much faster than the 3GS, but the 3GS was much faster than the iPhone 3G)

The iPhone 3GS was the first iPhone with a real camera with auto focus and the ability to choose what part of the screen to focus on, etc. (the original iPhone and iPhone 3G had the same fixed focus low resolution camera)

So, it does appear that every two years there is an external change in the design, but it seems, so far, that the internal upgrades are the greatest within the same exterior design. Though there really isn't enough generations to see a definite pattern. But as I said, the iPhone 4 (new exterior) wasn't much faster than the 3GS, but the 4S (same exterior) was much faster than the iPhone 4. Just like the 3GS (same exterior) was much faster than the 3G.

One exception, the iPhone 4 did quadruple the screen resolution with the new exterior design, that was a big upgrade. Other than that, the largest upgrades in camera technology and speed are within the same exterior design.
 
Didn't change my opinion since last year.

The iPhone 4S was a lame upgrade for stupid ignorant latecomers or hypocritical fanboys.

We already know what the iPhone 5 will look like, I believe it was Techcrunch who showed a perfect prototype of how there was chance it would be: thinner, bigger screen and slightly larger.
 
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