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Hasn’t it also been delayed until next year? I think the Duo is still coming this year tho. I was looking forward to seeing Neo this year but I will still get the Duo.
Sorry confusion, the Duo will be arm-based, it is due for launch soon, being arm for that makes sense, it will be an Android device. The Neo is delayed and will be an intel device with Windows.
Didn't Microsoft say Holiday 2020 for the Duo? if they release it sooner, that would be great. I'm guessing after September because of the iPhone, there is no way they will want to compete at the same time as Apple. The iPhone is a hype marketing machine that no one can match (yet). Even I get dragged into it, hence why I brought the iPhone Pro Max last year when my X was still working fine LOL
The anticipated release date for the Duo was Summer 2020, pushed back some due to COVID no doubt. I expect they will want to get it out there before the iPhone 12 but then as it's an Android device I don't think it matters too much in that MS will know they are not going to get IOS to Android switchers in any significant numbers even if the package is good. MS wants the corporate sector and the MS faithful first before considering the appeal in the wider market.
Bear in mind that the Duo is expected to exceed even Apple pricing at a $1,200 start.
The Neo has now been cancelled so don't expect to see it anytime soon. Panos Panay said in a blog post last month it was being delayed "indefinitely". Partly as it was going to run on W10X which is not ready yet and I don't think they have been able to deliver on their promises as to what it would be and do.
Bear in mind that the Duo is expected to exceed even Apple pricing at a $1,200 start.
The Neo has now been cancelled so don't expect to see it anytime soon. Panos Panay said in a blog post last month it was being delayed "indefinitely". Partly as it was going to run on W10X which is not ready yet and I don't think they have been able to deliver on their promises as to what it would be and do.
That's disappointing to hear, I was hoping the Neo would come out this year or even early next year. It seemed like the Neo could be a serious iPad Pro competitor.
I think I might just get a Note 20 (depending on what Samsung announce) and sit back to watch what happens with the Duo. If it's a great device and well reviewed, I will probably get one either when they realise the second gen, or pick one up and sell the Note 20 I plan on getting.
I don't think the Note 20 is due until August anyway, so im not sure if Microsoft will release the Duo before then or not.
I don't think Microsoft cares at all about what Apple is doing. And iPhone sales have been slipping due to the pricing and some of the other issues. The market is saturated and more and more people are waking up to the absurd notion of paying laptop prices for a device that is expected to only be current for two years.Didn't Microsoft say Holiday 2020 for the Duo? if they release it sooner, that would be great. I'm guessing after September because of the iPhone, there is no way they will want to compete at the same time as Apple. The iPhone is a hype marketing machine that no one can match (yet). Even I get dragged into it, hence why I brought the iPhone Pro Max last year when my X was still working fine LOL
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Well Microsoft is shifting focus back to Windows due to the surprising (not to me) discovery that during the lock down the use of Windows users was off the charts. They had bought into the hype that everyone wants mobile devices, but in fact more people spent time on their Windows (and I imagine for Apple fans their Macs) machines. So now they are back on Windows as a priority.
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DRAT!!! Notice from Samsung.
Dear customer,
This email is regarding your order #77777777
We are writing in regards to your recent order for a Galaxy Book Flex. Unfortunately, due to increased demand, this order has been delayed and will ship by 6/24/2020.
We apologize for any inconvenience this delay has caused and invite you to check the status of your order on the My Orders page, here:
Guess they hit this one out of the ball park.
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This is interesting, Apple has my attention. It looks like they are actually putting some effort back into the Mac
9to5mac.com
Bloomberg: Apple to announce its first ARM Mac chips at WWDC, as it starts transition away from Intel - 9to5Mac
Apple is reportedly going to announce its transition from Intel to ARM chips for its line of Macs at WWDC,...
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I kind of want to shake you, I wonder how much of the indecision you show on here translates into your life in general.
That transition will be a rough ride if it's coming. Apple's software quality was nothing but terrible for the last years, migrating the whole operating system onto another cpu architecture will be fun.
I'm very curious, too though. I want to see the bigger picture! I still don't know how the iPad Pro + super expensive keyboard thing with custom iPad OS mouse keyboard controls fit's into this. My greatest fear are MacBooks that are based on iOS.
I'm very curious, too though. I want to see the bigger picture! I still don't know how the iPad Pro + super expensive keyboard thing with custom iPad OS mouse keyboard controls fit's into this. My greatest fear are MacBooks that are based on iOS.
LOL, very indecisive person in some areas. The thing is IF this is true, it shows that Apple haven’t given up on the Mac. To put this much effort in, they must still see a future for it.
I don't think they ever gave up, they just did a bad job the last years.
Moving to ARM is not an effort that will entice me, in fact it pushes me further away.This is interesting, Apple has my attention. It looks like they are actually putting some effort back into the Mac
Bloomberg: Apple to announce its first ARM Mac chips at WWDC, as it starts transition away from Intel - 9to5Mac
Apple is reportedly going to announce its transition from Intel to ARM chips for its line of Macs at WWDC,...
This news is nothing new, so it does not change anything we already knew about their plans to move towards ARM, it has been getting reported for ages now. But you have to consider the time it will take for developers to adopt ARM as well as the additional lock-in disadvantages that Apple is going to benefit from.
Lots of potential benefits but moving to ARM does not magically make them produce a device that all of sudden does not have the issues you are hesitantly trying to move away from.
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I'm not saying I won't move away from Apple, but at the same time I'm not saying I will move away completely with everything. For example I still love my iMac, even tho it's a 2012 and I REALLY want them to update the iMacs.
My plan is to wait for the Note 20, if it's a nice update over the Note 10 I will buy one, while at the same time keeping my iPhone for use with my Apple Watch when I exercise and so on. If the Note fits into my life and I like the move to their software, then I will try a Galaxy Watch, if I love that and it's a reliable as my Apple Watch as been and as accurate for running and so on, I shall then remove the iPhone and Apple Watch from my life.
I do think that ARM will have some great impacts IF Apple do things right, they can then update the Mac more often and also create more powerful Mac's. Just look at what they are capable of doing with the iPad Pro's, the chips they use in those beat out any other tablet, in fact it's embarrassing just how far ahead they are in terms of chipsets.
1) Microsoft is shipping a decent (although not great) ARM device right now. But they need to finish their work (providing emulation for intel 64 bit, make it easier to port to ARM64, work with developers), or it will fail.
2) They also desperately need better arm processors or Apple will make them irrelevant in the long term. Apple iPad devices have incredibly powerful processors. ARM Macs will have enough brute force to crush the Windows competition in the short term.
3) However, don’t underestimate the ability of Tim Cook’s Apple to screw up on the software side of things. Either with bugs or by introducing some arbitrary and draconian software limitation that will make ARM Macs far less attractive (no intel compatibility layer...no, this would be suicide! No bootcamp, no software outside the app store, even tighter sandbox, completely locked down, non upgradable hardware etc). Obviously I hope it won’t be the case, this time...
2) They also desperately need better arm processors or Apple will make them irrelevant in the long term. Apple iPad devices have incredibly powerful processors. ARM Macs will have enough brute force to crush the Windows competition in the short term.
3) However, don’t underestimate the ability of Tim Cook’s Apple to screw up on the software side of things. Either with bugs or by introducing some arbitrary and draconian software limitation that will make ARM Macs far less attractive (no intel compatibility layer...no, this would be suicide! No bootcamp, no software outside the app store, even tighter sandbox, completely locked down, non upgradable hardware etc). Obviously I hope it won’t be the case, this time...
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I agree somewhat, but what an Ax chip can do on an iPad that honestly can't really do that much vs a full desktop and the way more significant processing power that real software will need, multitasking and so on is a whole different story and it remains to be seen just how well they will perform.
The Ax chips are great from what we have seen, but I am not convinced until we see them in a real desktop environment under a real load, not just running a couple of IOS apps.
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Of course, this is what will happen, anyone that thinks different is not welcome anymore.
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When I see an ARM based MacBook running virtual machines in Docker, multiple IDEs, browsers and whatnot, then I'm convinced. Until then I'm more than skeptical and think that all this will push the system even more away from developers like me (that don't live in Xcode)
Very much my opinion as well!
But honestly, I don't even care about macs anymore. What I want and need is ryzen in my next thinkpad.
I have no plans on returning into apple ecosystem, ARM will just confirm my decision. Of course, one never knows what will happen in future, but I honestly don't see what Apple could offer for me personally.
@Dave245 - there you go, only a couple of weeks to wait.
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New iMac With 'iPad Pro Design Language' and Thin Bezels Reportedly Coming at WWDC
WWDC is shaping up to see some significant Mac news, starting with word earlier today that Apple will be beginning its shift to its own Arm-based...
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@Dave245 - there you go, only a couple of weeks to wait.
New iMac With 'iPad Pro Design Language' and Thin Bezels Reportedly Coming at WWDC
WWDC is shaping up to see some significant Mac news, starting with word earlier today that Apple will be beginning its shift to its own Arm-based...
IF this is true, it’s an instant buy for me. The iMac has been my favourite desktop. I hope this is true!I would expect it is, and let's face it, long overdue a facelift.
Hope it is true and works for you Dave. You have been wanting an update.