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SurfaceBook 2x Faster than MBP False Advertising..
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You like Apple so much that you'd rather see a competitor fail than have someone push Apple to actually improve their products. MS succeeding with this benefits everyone.
I can guarantee that Apple is not looking at MS and what they're doing as inspiration for what Apple should be doing.
There is nothing in what MS has that is ground breaking. Nothing.
When people say Apple needs competition to keep them improving, they clearly know zero about how Apple works.
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Puffery is more when a company says something probably not true but also so vague as to be unverifiable. Such as "best pizza in New York" or "America's favorite dishwasher." Those statements are not outright lies because "best" and "favorite" are vague enough that they can be neither proved nor disproved.
I don't see "twice as fast" as falling into that category. That's a definite and verifiable claim.
Now, they do have the dodge that it's twice as fast as a product named macbook pro. And yes, Apple does still ship that macbook pro. But it was introduced years ago and is in no way the competitor for the Surface Book.
Bottom line, the statement is blatantly misleading, and deliberately so.
Interestingly Microsoft has doubled down on the twice as fast claim. http://www.businessinsider.com/microsoft-surface-book-competes-with-apple-2015-10
The "mantra" on the Surface Book team when it comes to comparisons with Apple is "our best vs. their best," meaning that Microsoft is pitting "best available Surface Book against the best available 13-inch MacBook Pro.”
This will be pretty easy to prove once the benchmarks start coming out. Should be interesting once the reviews start showing up. I am sure all the reviewers are immediately going after that claim first, LOL.
And it isn't false advertising YET. Just like the iPad Pro isn't yet faster than 80% of all portable PCs sold. No one has actually tested anything for either device yet. (Although Apple's claim is much squishier since it might be difficult to directly do benchmarks for an iOS device vs full operating systems)
The "mantra" on the Surface Book team when it comes to comparisons with Apple is "our best vs. their best," meaning that Microsoft is pitting "best available Surface Book against the best available 13-inch MacBook Pro.”
This will be pretty easy to prove once the benchmarks start coming out. Should be interesting once the reviews start showing up. I am sure all the reviewers are immediately going after that claim first, LOL.
And it isn't false advertising YET. Just like the iPad Pro isn't yet faster than 80% of all portable PCs sold. No one has actually tested anything for either device yet. (Although Apple's claim is much squishier since it might be difficult to directly do benchmarks for an iOS device vs full operating systems)
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It's like comparing the Surface Book with a 1998 iMac and claims that its 1000x more powerful.
You're right it is, I guess we need to wait and see how and why they said it was 2x faster. Since it is verifiable, time will tell if this is blatantly false.
Look up at post number 6 on this thread.
Be it apple, Google, MS etc.... They all lie through thier teeth. iPad pro faster than 80% of portable PCs..... Come on!!!!
Feel free to point out why they are false, and also please support the iPad pros amazing claims of speed....
They said:
Our validated performance claims are for the Microsoft Surface Book with an Intel Core i7 with 16GB RAM and custom discrete NVIDIAGeForce GPU against the MacBook Pro 13-inch with Retina display with an Intel Core i7 with 16GB RAM. We used third-party benchmarks to test the best available Surface Book against the best available 13-inch MacBook Pro.
I don't how that is false advertising. Their 13" is twice as powerfull as apple's best 13". I believe the price is surface $1,599 vs apple $1,799.00 for the corei7 256GB models.
False. You can only get 16gb of RAM on the $2699 Surface Book model. An i7/16/512 rMBP is $2199. An i7/16/1TB rMBP is $2699. There's no way the jump from broadwell to skylake is any more than 10% at best, so they can't be quoting the CPU performance. Therefore, the "2x as fast" figure has to be the GPU. You also can't even get the dGPU unless you pay $2099. Even on the lower end non-dGPU models, the Surface Book carries a $200 premium vs a similar 13" rMBP across the board.
Still kind of misleading anyway, since Microsoft was able to put the dGPU under the keyboard while the rest of the components got placed behind the display. It's not like they placed the dGPU behind inside the tablet.
I agree, this will be very easy to prove or disprove. As far as prices go, the Surface book with core i7/16GB ram is actually priced at $2699 compared to $2199 for the equivalent 13" MBP with 16GB RAM and Core i7 CPU. Both with 512 GB drives (which is the smallest 16GB RAM model you can buy from MS)
So the surface book is more expensive than the equivalent MBP by a good margin. But it does have a dGPU, which you can't get in the 13" MBP line anymore.
They didn't say faster, they said powerfull, if it can crank out twice the frame rate in games and gpu calculations, i don't see that as a lie:
They used the faster term for the Macbook Air:
So they made it clear that there is a difference between "faster" and "powerfull"
They didn't say faster, they said powerfull, if it can crank out twice the frame rate in games and gpu calculations, i don't see that as a lie:
They used the faster term for the Macbook Air:
So they made it clear that there is a difference between "faster" and "powerfull"
You're on a forum filled with Apple fanboys, they'll ignore this lol.
They didn't say faster, they said powerfull, if it can crank out twice the frame rate in games and gpu calculations, i don't see that as a lie:
They used the faster term for the Macbook Air:
So they made it clear that there is a difference between "faster" and "powerfull"
Nice catch! I am guessing that "power" will be all about the GPU and "fast" all about the CPU.
They didn't say faster, they said powerfull, if it can crank out twice the frame rate in games and gpu calculations, i don't see that as a lie:
They used the faster term for the Macbook Air:
So they made it clear that there is a difference between "faster" and "powerfull"
I was addressing your price comparisons. If you are comparing the price of i7/16 models, then you have to compare the correct models. I also wasn't saying it was a lie - I'm just saying its a little misleading when you can't get the dGPU until the $2099 model nor do make it clear that they are talking about the GPU, CPU or both. Read my original post(which you yourself quoted) before jumping to defense.
How is that misleading? The Macbook Pro doesn't have a tablet (sorry, "clipboard") mode, so it's only fair to compare it to the Surface Book in laptop mode.
Overall, I'd say they are entirely correct that the Book is one of the fastest laptops of its size and significantly more powerful than the 13" MBP. The only thing that stinks a little is the gap that makes it thicker than I'd like when closed (although it makes a nicer angle for drawing if you turn around the display and use it in "convertible mode").
More powerful on the GPU side and that still needs to be benched. Also lets not forget that Apple is using PCIE SSDs (correct me if the Book uses PCIE), which makes the Surface Book look even more overpriced.
According to Anandtech, they are using PCIe 3.0 SSDs in the surface book. http://www.anandtech.com/show/9694/microsoft-reveals-the-surface-book
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Excellent post!The BS is on both sides, and everywhere. The iPad Pro will not be faster than 80% of the laptops sold either. Coming up with such high-level metrics is an exorcise in crafting turds to be flowers - and everyone is doing it.
Any numbers and test results can be manipulated. They all do, in fact Apples the best simply because they have massive supply of cash to throw at every marketing pitch they make.
See here
It's certainly not cheap, but you get a unique piece of tech for your money. It's been a while since I got that impression from an Apple product.
The only way the 2x claim makes sense to me is in regards to the GPU performance. Which wouldn't surprise me given that they have a dGPU there. What I find rather surprising is that the difference is not bigger
That Maxwell must be severely underclocked.
I've said this before, as have others, that once there are definitive tests where we can compare actual numbers, I'll take the MS claims with a grain of salt. If I had to guess, what we'll end up seeing is that the Surface Book beats the 13" rMBP in one or two areas, but that's it - understandable given the dGPU.
update not sure if legit
http://hexus.net/tech/news/laptop/87353-microsoft-surface-book-nvidia-geforce-gpu-details-emerge/
http://hexus.net/tech/news/laptop/87353-microsoft-surface-book-nvidia-geforce-gpu-details-emerge/
