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SurfaceBook 2x Faster than MBP False Advertising..
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Quad is twice as fast as dual core. Anyways Windoze sucks and OS X is excellent.
I tried it on a store and it's extremely unstable: BSOD, always consuming too much CPU, app crashes, too many glitches, etc.
That statements about what is best for all users at all times under all circumstances are inherently and irremediably wrong.
i don´t know how u got that from reading his post.
do you actually do that? i mean raise your hand and point it at your screen. how long can you do that?
even with resting my elbow somewhere i can't do it for long. maybe i need to eat more spinach.
I don't think they "made it clear" at all. That's an inference you're drawing, and while it's probably correct, it's something you had to figure out, not what MS clearly stated.They didn't say faster, they said powerfull, if it can crank out twice the frame rate in games and gpu calculations, i don't see that as a lie:
They used the faster term for the Macbook Air:
So they made it clear that there is a difference between "faster" and "powerfull"
If they wanted to be clear that they were talking about the GPU, they would have said "graphics are 2x as fast." They didn't, precisely so that people would jump to a broader conclusion.
I recommend watching this: https://fstoppers.com/gear/surface-book-vs-macbook-pro-15-macbook-twice-fast-93596
In the video above the rmbp for $2500 obliterates the fully specd 'surfacebook' for $2700. in fact the macbook is en par with the guys $4000 desktop workstation.
I couldn't find any real life comparison with a 13" rmbp yet, but I suspect even a mba would beat the surfacebook.
I don't know why this is even discussed here. Comparing microsoft products to apple products is not a fair fight.
A 13" windows laptop for almost $3k? You've got to be ****ing kidding me!
That video was very interesting to me even though he bought the "wrong" MBP to compare the surface to. I had been considering a 15" MBP, but was underwhelmed with the lack of CPU updates for the 2015 models. Just didn't seem right to buy a $2500 laptop with a 2 year old processor.
Then the surface book came out that had a stylus input with a powerful laptop! A photographer/illustrators potential dream! But his comparisons were showing the exact sorts of things I would be doing (photoshop, Lightroom, premiere) and the MBP just killed it. You don't get the impression when you just look at CPU benchmarks that lightroom performance could be literally minutes slower.
Sigh. I still have some hopes that maybe the beta drivers are causing issues and that as production models come out that it might get better. I REALLY wanted that stylus on the screen as an alternative to Wacom and their stupid prices.
If you want touch input just get an iPad pro for the fraction of the price of this 'surfacebook'. And you'll still have enough $$$ left for a rmbp.
And no, ms is never gonna fix this with driver updates.
Even a used 5 year old mbp will beat the **** out of microsofts newest venture. Expect bad resale value from these surfacebooks.
Interesting, I'm not done going through the videos,
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The one thing I will say is that he's comparing the SurfaceBook to the 15" MBP which is not what MS was comparing too when talking about 2x faster. Clearly the SurfaceBook is aimed at the 13" MBP and not its larger quad core brother.
I'm still going through the videos, and I see some comments against the SB to be accurate, and others perhaps a bit nit picking.
For instance, MS promoted the idea that the keyboard is silent, that was their intent and Lee in the video was complaining that the SurfaceBook's keyboard did not have the same tactile sound of the MBP
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As time goes on, we'll see more reviews and we'll get a better picture of what the SB can and cannot do. For some reason while he just seemed to look for topics to criticize the SurfaceBook.
I'm not saying its perfect but I think more reviews will definitely help paint a more accurate picture.
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That conparison makes no sense. the surfacebook is almost double the price of the 13" rmbp.
I was focusing on the performance. Keyboardsound is incredible nitpicking.
When comparing machines at the same price the surfacebook loses so bad it's not even funny.
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The issue with that specific review is he's going against the 15" quad core machine and not the 13" MBP which is what MS was marketing that its 2x faster.
I'm only saying what MS is doing.
1. MS comparison is stupid since their surfacebook is much more expensive.
2. Once the first reviews come out, they will show that the 13 rmbp is much faster.
MS is simply lying.
Ok, but that's what they're doing. You can't go and say the SurfaceBook is not 2x faster then the 15" MBP because MS is not advertising that (stupid or not).
That's what I've been saying all long - lets wait and see.
I understand your hatred towards windows and I guess indirectly towards Microsoft but so far I like what the SurfaceBook has to offer. I do have questions about it, such as how well will that hinge hold up over time, and what dGPU is being used. I actually like using Windows and found windows 10 to be very stable and fast.
As mentioned I am biased and strongly dislike windows and hence microsoft.
this thread shows why:
ms is comparing their surfacebook to laptops that cost half the price. their compraison is misleading and even those misleading claims are probably wrong. Lee Morris review is actually very good since it compares machines in the same priceclass.
The general concept of the surfacebook is not bad and the screen probably gorgeous. however the performance will be no match for
and the price is just ridiculous.
Clearly the product is not for you, and that's fine. As for me, its on the short list.
Being a happy owner of a Surface Pro 3, though, there's little need for the another portable machine. My MBP has basically turned into my desktop computer and as that ages I'm leaning towards maybe an iMac. Yet with that said, the SB is tempting.
I'll wait until more reviews are released to help my purchase decisions.
Being a happy owner of a Surface Pro 3, though, there's little need for the another portable machine. My MBP has basically turned into my desktop computer and as that ages I'm leaning towards maybe an iMac. Yet with that said, the SB is tempting.
I'll wait until more reviews are released to help my purchase decisions.
"Wrong"?
It's a cheaper laptop!
It has bigger screen, but it's thinner!
So, he's comparing apples-to-apples.
Let's face it, Microsoft "2x faster" is blatant false advertising for fanboys.
This is ridiculous!
He has put "2x more powerful" on the screen, and said that's "2x faster"...
So full of BS!
And in the end, they have said it will cost $1499...
Which it clearly isn't and as it's a 940M it'll be no better than the IRIS PRO that comes when the skylake chips are released. Hell a 940M is barely better than the IRIS 6100 in the 13 inch rMBP's, and the 28W chips slated for the 2016 13 inch rMBP will have 64MB eDRAM cache and will come close to the IRIS PRO 5200 currently in the 15 inch rMBP which is as good as the 940M.