Said by who?Let me guess by the same unreliable persons who said that Yosemite was the best apple os up to date.
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SurfaceBook 2x Faster than MBP False Advertising..
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I'm sure people were saying that about the Surface Pro, and that's now in its 4th iteration. They're actually saying "where's the touchscreen, Apple?"
This should be interesting.
Apple won't be persuaded by inept/imbecilic people. Touch screen is dumb on a laptop as the majority agrees even on the PC side. Touch only make sense on a tablet with a touch oriented OS.
That may be the case, but it's the first thing people ask, even if they know they don't need it or were ever planning to use it. People are weird, that much is true.
I don't think you can be that doctrinaire about touch and laptops. My son worked until recently as a corporate consultant and has evolved a very sophisticated Excel workflow that mixes admittedly minor amounts of touch into a lot of keyboard shortcuts and some mouse clicks. Touch has a place, even if it's not primary as it is with an iPad.
I've said this before and I will reiterate once more. The idea of moving your hands from the horizontal plane in front of you as you type, to the raised vertical plane of the screen is fundamentally wrong and a physically unnatural and unsustainable way to interact with a computer. Unless you have some bizarrely long or stretchable fingers that can move from keyboard to screen without lifting your hand, moving from keyboard to screen will never work. It slows interaction and productivity.
The only times screen input makes sense is when the screen is the device and you're holding it with your hands or when the screen is also the device, flat on a desk (as in a drawing scenario). I can't imagine how difficult it must be to use excel switching between touch and type. I can say that I put my iPad down and switch to my rMBP when I need to actually do significant number crunching, because the iPad forces me to slow down on input since I'm focused on trying to make the interaction on screen do what is much easier to do via keyboard and trackpad.
will say: "On the iPad Mini, iPad Air, iPad Pro and iPhone."
Across the hall they're saying it's a 940M
And this came up in the thread
That's probably the power difference that was being talked about.
And this came up in the thread
That's probably the power difference that was being talked about.
So much for MS being all about productivity...
So they made a gaming laptop, great for the subset of customers where gaming is important. I would guess that making a similar comparison to other PC's would not be so kind to the Surface Book.
The PC market has had a long history of playing the game of one-upmanship, where every new iteration of cpu / gpu gets dumped into the "new" computer so they can say theirs is the fastest, bestest computer on the market. Unfortunately, when you look at things in a big picture way, it's clear that just going for the top speed, highest resolution, etc. you end up compromising on other aspects, such as battery life, heat, cost, etc.
I do find it funny how the knock on Apple used to be "their products are overpriced", yet today, to get similar performance from the PC makers, you have to pay similar amounts (or more) to what Apple is charging. Frankly, I think that buying an rMBP, MB or iMac may be the best way to get a Windows PC, if you absolutely need to run Windows.
Not really false advertising as they
1. Haven't used that in an Advert, only a launch presentation.
2. It's true in a certain specific scenario.
3. It's only as 'false' an advert as Apple claiming a product is 'magical' in publicity.
1. Haven't used that in an Advert, only a launch presentation.
2. It's true in a certain specific scenario.
3. It's only as 'false' an advert as Apple claiming a product is 'magical' in publicity.
Its very far from being a gaming laptop. Frankly, I do not really understand the positioning of this product. You are certainly right that the dGPU won't be of any help in productivity applications, but its also not going to do anything for photo/video editors and while it makes gaming a bit more viable, it certainly can't compete with products like Razer Blade. For me, this is a typical marketing tactics where the customer is dazzled by specs.
Apple products are certainly better bang for money compared to these new Surface books.
You are probably a lawyer. What you say is very logical and most likely formally correct, and yet absolutely meaningless
BTW, I am quite sure that, say, in Germany, advertising the Surface Book as being 2x faster than the rMBP would be illegal. A claim like this creates a certain expectation which will certainly not be fulfilled. They can of course say, up to 2x faster in games, or graphics is up to 2x faster.
You are probably a lawyer. What you say is very logical and most likely formally correct, and yet absolutely meaningless
BTW, I am quite sure that, say, in Germany, advertising the Surface Book as being 2x faster than the rMBP would be illegal. A claim like this creates a certain expectation which will certainly not be fulfilled. They can of course say, up to 2x faster in games, or graphics is up to 2x faster.
The said twice as powerful, which is, ya know, vague.
Yep - sorry if I came across as accusatory. Your post was just a perfect door opener for what I was thinking about MS and how they're pitching the SB.
It's pretty much sold out at this point, but beyond a toy for executives and Windows based content creators I can't imagine whose buying, but they are. It seems like a proof of concept thing and it's priced as such, it really is a good idea to have the card in the base and everything else behind the screen. That is an idea that could easily be transferred to the MB/MBP the logic board is plenty small to go behind the screen with a gpu and batteries in the base.
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I've thought about designing a laptop where both the base and lid are similarly thick (for aesthetics), and instead of a keyboard, you just make the whole thing a touch screen. It wouldn't provide the tactile benefit of using a proper keyboard, but it would allow almost infinite configurability of keys or other input methods.
I'm watching him do it. If you're making a statement about all people in all circumstances, you're wrong, plain and simple. If you want to say it doesn't work for you, that's different - and fine.
Today must have been the embargo-lifting date, as numerous sites have started posting reviews.
Not a lot of detailed benchmarks yet, but the Ars Review has some that show the Surface Book slightly less than or equal to a 2015 MBP:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/surface-book-review-the-laptop-that-replaces-your-tablet/
Tested.com also gave it to some artists in their video review and noted the pen lag was much improved over the Surface 3, however it still wasn't up to Wacom Cintiq performance. And it lacked the ability to calibrate and customize the pen buttons, so that is a negative for professionals:
And here is a photographer who tested it against a 15" MBP with photoshop and lightroom. Looks like the 15" MBP beats it hands down for those apps.
https://fstoppers.com/gear/surface-book-vs-macbook-pro-15-macbook-twice-fast-93596
Overall the reviews have been mostly positive, and I am holding onto my pre-order for now. I would like to see more reviews from artists and photographers once they get out into the wild and those folks can start reviewing it.
I am however thinking about how much I really want that pen capability vs sheer performance of a 15" MBP
Not a lot of detailed benchmarks yet, but the Ars Review has some that show the Surface Book slightly less than or equal to a 2015 MBP:
http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2015/10/surface-book-review-the-laptop-that-replaces-your-tablet/
Tested.com also gave it to some artists in their video review and noted the pen lag was much improved over the Surface 3, however it still wasn't up to Wacom Cintiq performance. And it lacked the ability to calibrate and customize the pen buttons, so that is a negative for professionals:
And here is a photographer who tested it against a 15" MBP with photoshop and lightroom. Looks like the 15" MBP beats it hands down for those apps.
https://fstoppers.com/gear/surface-book-vs-macbook-pro-15-macbook-twice-fast-93596
Overall the reviews have been mostly positive, and I am holding onto my pre-order for now. I would like to see more reviews from artists and photographers once they get out into the wild and those folks can start reviewing it.
I am however thinking about how much I really want that pen capability vs sheer performance of a 15" MBP
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