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Switched from Macbook Pro to Framework?

okkibs said:
I would recommend the Intel X7 358H over the AMD because of the latest gen efficiency improvements that should lower heat and increase battery life compared to all the AMD options. I do not really know how these compare in terms of performance and even if they outperform the M5 (which shouldn't be too hard)
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I'm puzzled by choosing that particular Intel processor. It is not particularly fast in either single or multi-threaded performance. The Intel Ultra 9 290HX Plus would be a tougher competitor.

Passmark, for example, says:

Overall Rank:
452nd fastest in multithreading out of 5872 CPUs
164th fastest in single threading out of 5872 CPUs
48th fastest in out of 1626 Laptop CPUs

Apple M5 and M4 processors are significantly faster in single threading, and among laptops, in multithreading, many Intel, AMD, and Apple processors are faster. Laptop processors

And, it actually is quite difficult to outperform the M5. So, I'm not really sure I understand the point you were making?
 
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Intel Core Ultra 9 290HX Plus uses 45 to 160W according that site. While the M5 (just M5, not pro/max, ranked 95 spots lower than the 290HX Plus) uses 28W. So even if the Intel Core Ultra 9 290HX Plus is more powerful, it also going to generate a lot more heat.

IMO performance per Watt ratio is more useful than just performance regardless of watts used.
 
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BSDnostalgia said:
I'm puzzled by choosing that particular Intel processor. It is not particularly fast in either single or multi-threaded performance. The Intel Ultra 9 290HX Plus would be a tougher competitor.
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I think okkibs meant, "from the options available on the Framework configure page", that is the processor to pick. The Ultra 9 290HX Plus id not offered as on option on the 13 Pro or the 16 (presumably, not at all by Framework at this time).
 
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Framework Pro offers the Ultra 5 325 and Ultra X7 358H, both of which are "Panther Lake" using the new 1.8 nanometer process. Apple M5 is 3 nm. This Panther Lake stuff really does look pretty sweet.
 
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ProbablyDylan said:
Do people offline actually resell their computers? Everyone I know hands them down.
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I also have a connection to god ✝️ but before I'd give away 🎄 a computer that
costs me more than $1,000 or equal work, I'd probably sooner put it in the trash !

I know plenty of people who, out of pure habit, take more out than they put in...

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What do you mean 😳 with offline ?
selling on Flea market - active church freeloader 😆 or what ?
 
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Steve Adams said:
It's the same damn processor in the M5 MacBook pro how is that "cope"? And you missed the entire repair and upgrade comment. Try thst with a MacBook.
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It's the slowest processor available in the MacBook Pro. And it still slaughters the ultra9 in single threaded performance which is what matters for UI responsiveness.
 
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throAU said:
It's the slowest processor available in the MacBook Pro. And it still slaughters the ultra9 in single threaded performance which is what matters for UI responsiveness.
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ANYHOO.

Please, we get it you are an apple fan. good for you. Others are not.

My new 5090/threadripper combo slaughters everything that apple has available too. two can play that game. And btw. The x9 ultra is much faster at graphics processing which is what I want.

UI responsiveness has nothing to do with processor speed and everything to do with UI coding.
 
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Windows 11 feels like a sick joke to me. I’ve used Windows since version 2, and I hate every moment I need to use it now. I don't care if I had the fastest PC on earth, Windows stinks.
 
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I have no issue with it at all now that i have co-pilot removed from everywhere besides the actual app. I see no advertising, I have no telemetry issues, it's fast, and responsive. I have all my software on it. I feel the same way about MacOS really, if it had the fastest PC on earth I would not be able to use MacOS.

I enjoy my iPad and will replace it with a iPad pro when it's time, but MacOS is not for me. I am glad it's for other people because competition is great.
 
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Steve Adams said:
I have no issue with it at all now that i have co-pilot removed from everywhere besides the actual app. I see no advertising, I have no telemetry issues, it's fast, and responsive. I have all my software on it. I feel the same way about MacOS really, if it had the fastest PC on earth I would not be able to use MacOS.

I enjoy my iPad and will replace it with a iPad pro when it's time, but MacOS is not for me. I am glad it's for other people because competition is great.
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Yeah, it's pretty great to have options isn't it. How bad would it suck if we were both forced to use the system we didn't like!
 
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Bungaree.Chubbins said:
Yeah, it's pretty great to have options isn't it. How bad would it suck if we were both forced to use the system we didn't like!
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100 percent. I tried to go to mac, Linux, pad and paper, rock and stick. I just find windows the best for me. It works for me, even though Microsoft's leadership under Nadella infuriates me to no end. All I can do.
 
Steve Adams said:
100 percent. I tried to go to mac, Linux, pad and paper, rock and stick. I just find windows the best for me. It works for me, even though Microsoft's leadership under Nadella infuriates me to no end. All I can do.
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People comfortable with macOS people tend to hate Windows 11. Maybe it's the clutter. Maybe it's the different keystrokes. For more technical users, Terminal in macOS is more familiar (since it runs a standard shell) than PowerShell, which is its own strange beast. Linux is fine until one needs an app that runs well only on macOS and Windows. Then macOS is fine until you need to use an app that only has a Windows version. So, many of us end up with all three systems. And if you write software, you might want your program to work properly on all 3 platforms.
 
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chars1ub0w said:
People comfortable with macOS people tend to hate Windows 11. Maybe it's the clutter. Maybe it's the different keystrokes. For more technical users, Terminal in macOS is more familiar (since it runs a standard shell) than PowerShell, which is its own strange beast. Linux is fine until one needs an app that runs well only on macOS and Windows. Then macOS is fine until you need to use an app that only has a Windows version. So, many of us end up with all three systems. And if you write software, you might want your program to work properly on all 3 platforms.
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The exact same reasons I dislike MacOS. the finger gymnastics trying to do regular things you just hit the right mouse button on windows. It's all what you get used to. I am used to windows. Simple as that.
 
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Steve Adams said:
The exact same reasons I dislike MacOS. the finger gymnastics trying to do regular things you just hit the right mouse button on windows. It's all what you get used to. I am used to windows. Simple as that.
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I have a Logicool mouse with a (distinct) left and right button (unlike a magic mouse). By default, the right button brings up a menu.
 
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I’ve never owned an Apple mouse of any flavour. If I were to get an Apple pointing device, it would be a trackpad. Apple just doesn’t make a satisfying mouse
 
Like me with touchscreens. I use them constantly. I love them. It's going to be very interesting to see Apple's MacOS touch integration when they finally move to the future.
 
Steve Adams said:
Like me with touchscreens. I use them constantly. I love them. It's going to be very interesting to see Apple's MacOS touch integration when they finally move to the future.
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Ooh, I’m not with you on this one. I’ve used touch screen laptops before and found them to be a minor nuisance. I’m already a little grumpy at the concessions Apple has started making for touch input in macOS, because I can only assume that is the reason for the chunkiness that Tahoe introduced.

I don’t mind that it’s an option for people who want it, but I wish it wouldn’t impact the interface for the rest of us.
 
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Bungaree.Chubbins said:
Ooh, I’m not with you on this one. I’ve used touch screen laptops before and found them to be a minor nuisance. I’m already a little grumpy at the concessions Apple has started making for touch input in macOS, because I can only assume that is the reason for the chunkiness that Tahoe introduced.

I don’t mind that it’s an option for people who want it, but I wish it wouldn’t impact the interface for the rest of us.
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It's already done. Go watch the video done by Quinn where he points out the differences in the OS from last year with the one from the year before. And not everyone likes touchscreen, but once you get used to them, they are great. scrubbing through video, using your stylus to outline things in graphics, etc, it's a WAAAAAYYYYYYYYYY easier than using a mouse or trackpad.

I have touchscreens on my desktop systems as well.
 
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