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Didn’t you hear? Icon views are smart and lists on the side are now dumb.
I guess this makes Mac Finder dumb and iPad home screens smart.
Or something. I don’t know. I can’t keep up.
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System Settings App in macOS Ventura Beta Still Riddled With UI Issues
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I guess this makes Mac Finder dumb and iPad home screens smart.
Or something. I don’t know. I can’t keep up.
I was just watching this guy's comparison on YouTube as this is my first time seeing backlash to the change:
Looks like setting custom DNS servers is still possible if you were still interested. (05:59)
damienbutt
macrumors member
It won't be long before you can only install apps from the Mac App Store and have only limited access to the file system. All in the name of privacy and security.
wanha
macrumors 68030
Fair point.
However, considering we are this close to launch, it would be a major (positive) surprise if all the UI issues are solved by the time Ventura ships, but I'm not holding my breath.
wanha
macrumors 68030
People have been claiming that since OSX Lion got a Gatekeeper setting in Preferences.
Spaceboi Scaphandre
macrumors 68040
The recent Ventura seed broke a lot of stuff. Wake from sleep is no longer instant on Apple Silicon machines, and I no longer have sleep/wake settings in System Settings
apple devs: deliver buddy application
apple: fires recruiters who hired devs
makes perfect sense
apple: fires recruiters who hired devs
makes perfect sense
MrGunny94
macrumors 65816
Populus
macrumors 604
I’m so glad MacRumors and Gruber gave this thread visibility. Hopefully Apple will put more effort on refining the experience like once did with OS X.
Apple Knowledge Navigator
macrumors 601
Thanks for sharing, that's a great video. I had no idea how well designed the current System Preferences is now that I've seen what a mess. SwiftUI has made of it. Even the basic things, like the width of buttons and extra steps to get to settings that were previously on a single page... And the removal of tabs is just bizarre.
Populus
macrumors 604
Apple Knowledge Navigator
macrumors 601
This isn't just about bugs, it's also (arguably more) about design choices.
gank41
macrumors 603
Same here. I'm not seeing any settings listed now for this, and I'm also finding that my M1 MBP either wakes from sleep after maybe 5-10 seconds (after pressing a number of keys on the keyboard, moving the trackpad, or resting my finger on the Touch ID/Power button), or it just doesn't wake from sleep at all and reboots. It's no wonder why there wasn't a Ventura Beta Release yesterday. Stick it back in the oven and let it cook some more.
cocky jeremy
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gank41
macrumors 603
Breaking News: A Beta close to shipping release still has what seems like unfixable bugs...
...fixed it for you
I'm a professional software dev, and I've had our team not use SwiftUI as its just too unfinished/unpolished and unpredictable at what it does for layout. Not ready for production IMO. And from a dev perspective, sort of inscrutable as to how it actually works.
cocky jeremy
Suspended
Apple Knowledge Navigator
macrumors 601
A short beta window and bug fixes aren't going to fix inherently poor design choices.
n-evo
macrumors 68020
Certain people have been saying this ever since the Mac App Store was announced in 2010. "It won't be long!!1!!!11!!!!111!" - we're almost 12 years down the road and it still hasn't happened.
ct2k7
macrumors G3
If this was from the 10th - which is looks like, then the update was the Xcode command line tools update.
gank41
macrumors 603
Seems like you're missing the entire point of this. The point isn't that "it's a beta" so we should expect bugs.. Of course! we should expect bugs. It's a beta. Duh..
The point is that the team responsible for making the Settings App switched to using SwiftUI (released in 2019?), and after 3 years the technology is still behaving as though it's 3 months old. So, seems pretty relevant to me.
