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System Settings App in macOS Ventura Beta Still Riddled With UI Issues
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They do that, and the Mac platform would be dead. Every developer would abandon it for Windows and Linux. Developers avoid the Mac App Store like the plague since they have miles better options, and if those options were taken away, then we would see a developer exodus larger than the OpenGL exodus in 2018.
To be honest I don't even know if it's legally possible for Apple to even limit the Mac to only be able to install apps from the Mac App Store after decades of software freedom.
Current SS almost looks and behaves like a Windows Control Panel from 90s
Random icons, random order, each sub-section different, completely inconsistent and different from any other device SS we're using right now. Now you see why they had to change it And bugs will be fixed, no one will think twice in a year.
It sucks because the first couple of betas the OS was near flawless, but now these recent seeds have broken everything. Speaker popping issues for MBPs came back, Stage Manager is busted opening windows on it's own, preview is broken, status updates are being treated as windows in stage manager, and of course instant wake from sleep, one of the biggest defining traits about Apple Silicon, is busted going back to x86 wake speeds.
If this is like this in the next seed I'm opting out of beta and going back to Monterey.
I actually kind of hate SwiftUI. I like the idea of it, and it's great for simple things, but it's awful for complex layouts or grid type layouts (not collection view stuff, more like form stuff). Stuff I could do in UIKit in no time took forever in SwiftUI with more code.
Have you not watched the above video? There are categories where tab groups that were originally in System Preferences have been removed for no other reason than they’re not part of SwiftUI - to the detriment of usability.Current SS almost looks and behaves like a Windows Control Panel from 90s
Text alignment is often poorly chosen.
Tickboxes and radio buttons used in the wrong commands.
Icons that go from being an ‘app’ design to a legacy design.
Pop-up windows that were previously part of the preferences pane itself.
Settings places in the wrong categories
That is not good design.
Don’t worry this will all be fixed once everyone is working in the same building again.
What does multicolour accent / highlight colour look like? Does anyone have some screenshots they can share.
Maybe this is not new but I haven’t seen it before?
Thanks!
P.S. Never mind I have found out that it is basically app specific colour. I.e. Pages is orange, numbers green etc and it was introduced in Big Sur.
Maybe this is not new but I haven’t seen it before?
Thanks!
P.S. Never mind I have found out that it is basically app specific colour. I.e. Pages is orange, numbers green etc and it was introduced in Big Sur.
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Yeah, it’s clear that they’re working towards a single OS. The only difference between the platforms then will how the system features scale; iPhone have the least, Mac having the most.
Just a shame that SwiftUI clearly wasn’t designed for large screen pointer devices…
As someone who has tried SwiftUI every year since it was announced I can confirm it is indeed a nightmare to get it to do even the most basic stuff
If it does what you want out of the box that’s great (bugs nonwhitstanding), but if you want to do something that’s even slightly different that the default behavior you’re SOL and either have to hack together some kind of workaround or give up.
If it does what you want out of the box that’s great (bugs nonwhitstanding), but if you want to do something that’s even slightly different that the default behavior you’re SOL and either have to hack together some kind of workaround or give up.
Makes you wonder how this company manages to remain a trillion dollar company? I noticed since Catalina, it’s like it has all gone down hill when it comes to macOS. They do bring new features and functionality to the OS, but I believe sometimes at the sake of it being like it iOS.
With Mojave, Craig said they were not merging macOS and iOS. But it’s so obvious they are. To be honest, wouldn’t be surprised if they have a classic mode for Settings like they did with Safari when they changed the tab behavior.
With Mojave, Craig said they were not merging macOS and iOS. But it’s so obvious they are. To be honest, wouldn’t be surprised if they have a classic mode for Settings like they did with Safari when they changed the tab behavior.
I think the complainer is completely full of brown excrement. System Settings looks good, works great, no issues at all, notta none. I even did his hold the up button - no problems. Is it that he would have made it look different, that he finds so offensive? Seriously, can't see any issues here, move along folks (shout out to southPark)
Since getting it in Lion, Gatekeeper has been harder to disable or turn off entirely.
I don't think anyone can reasonably deny that macOS is not on a slow trajectory towards a fully walled-garden approach like iOS. It's not there yet, but it sure is moving towards it more than away from it. Absolutely nothing about the last few macOS releases has been about making it more open, that's for sure.
I think for now Apple knows it would be a bridge too far. Users and developers would rebel, it would not go over well. So I am confident it won't happen soon. But like a boiled frog, Apple is certainly trying to get us all used to the idea over time.
completely broken? as in unusable, unworkable, crashes your computer, aka Windows? Not seeing it at all. The only thing Ventura has trouble with is the beta of the Brave browser - crashes on open, but that may be a brave issue, seeing it is not happening elsewhere. other than that, I have had 0 bugs. so I'd say, completely working and completely usable.
While you may differ, please submit a list of 100 or so bugs and issues that keeps Ventura from working and indicates it is completely broken. 1 or 2 bugs wouldn't amount to anything near "completely"
How many people will never find half of their preferences because of that idiotic default of not showing a scroll bar unless you are actually scrolling? There's no visual cue whatsoever that the sidebar is scrollable.
This is why I'm still on Catalina.
Hopefully by the time I'm forced to upgrade there will have been enough backlash for them to start making an effort with the UI again.
Hopefully by the time I'm forced to upgrade there will have been enough backlash for them to start making an effort with the UI again.
All fine here in Ventura beta land too. Don't believe everything that you read
When I read "inconsistent use and erratic behavior of basic UI elements", the first thing I thought was, "they built it with SwiftUI".
And then the next paragraph confirmed it for me.