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I think what Apple is doing is, release the iPhone with EDGE in the United States, and release it in any other countries that has EDGE, if the carrier is willing to bend over for Apple. If those two conditions are met, your country gets the iPhone.

If either one of those conditions are not met, no iPhone for you. At least until Apple feels that the United States market is ready for 3G, then it will release a 3G iPhone for the US, and then release the iPhone to those countries omitted because of the conditions above.

That would be a silly plan, because the US is a relatively small market for mobile phones. Far better to produce a phone with which it can conquer the rest of the world with.
 
No

Why do so many people in The US think they deserve 3G before everyone else? I think its about time Europe sees some love before The US, and the main reason Apple hasn't gone 3G in the states is because there is hardly any coverage of 3G in the US and Europe is practically fully covered with 3G signal. Fair enough?

No, not fair enough. The European and Asian cell phone makers ALWAYS produce better phones for Europe and Asia than the U.S. It's about time that we get something first.

I think it's funny how you Europeans actually think Apple will release the iPhone with 3G only to Europe. When it is released in Europe, it will most likely be 3G and the U.S. model will be updated simultaneously.

Also, I'm not sure how many times it has been said but AT&T is the EXCLUSIVE PROVIDER IN THE U.S.!
 
No, not fair enough. The European and Asian cell phone makers ALWAYS produce better phones for Europe and Asia than the U.S. It's about time that we get something first.

I think it's funny how you Europeans actually think Apple will release the iPhone with 3G only to Europe. When it is released in Europe, it will most likely be 3G and the U.S. model will be updated simultaneously.

Also, I'm not sure how many times it has been said but AT&T is the EXCLUSIVE PROVIDER IN THE U.S.!

I'm sure Apple isn't going to worry about what is 'fair' but rather what will make the most profit. And that will be a 3G phone for the rest of world markets.
 
Well, if T-Mobile are going to sell the iPhone in Germany, I hope they sell it in the UK because I'm with T-Mobile and I won't have to switch! YAY!

I hope they allow Pay as you go! Hate contracts!

It's about time that we get something first.

WTF!?

America gets almost everything before Europe does in terms of technology!

Computer games, games consoles, the actual iPhone itself...

Think about things before you write them, thanks.
 
The only _believable_ factor for not including 3G in the current iPhone is UMTS penetration in the US. As for the battery, that is complete and utter rubbish. Other phone vendors have UMTS phones and their battery life is just fine.

at 11.6mm thick though? By friend's Dopod D810 is 3G but is pretty thick and the battery is pretty hefty
 
German Magazine "Der Spiegel" has also picked up the story:
http://www.spiegel.de/wirtschaft/0,1518,492222,00.html
I just can't think of a phone not having UMTS capability nowadays. It's just a no-go. Surfing the web or checking mail is a pain without UMTS...
And as said before: the companies in europe paid billions in cash for their 3G licences, so i'm sure they want to use them...

but still a quote of "Rheinische Post"

A vodafone employee (germany) said that it is just a rumor and they wouldn't comment rumors.
 
3g

I'm sure Apple isn't going to worry about what is 'fair' but rather what will make the most profit. And that will be a 3G phone for the rest of world markets.

I'm sure 3G will be in the rest of the world markets, but also in the U.S.

For all the people who say lack of coverage, that simply isn't true! AT&T has a growing 3G network that covers the most populous areas, and most of their other phones are already 3G enabled, which is why everyone was so disappointed that the iPhone (of all phones) didn't include it.

For all the people saying battery drain, most 3G enabled phones can switch to EDGE, and will do so by default when no 3G is available.

It's a lose-lose situation not having 3G.

EDIT: You're also right about them making profits, which is why they WILL release a 3G phone so soon after the first on came ot. For all thoe saying, they'll never abandon the early -adopters, I don't know what you're thinking, of course they will, they know the early adopters have money and will buy again. Look at the 2 month difference between Apple TV models or the 3 month difference between iMac G5 2.0 and iMac Core Duo. I'm sure they will provide firmware updates, but they certainly aren't going to be "afraid" to release new hardware.
 
WTF!?

America gets almost everything before Europe does in terms of technology!

Computer games, games consoles, the actual iPhone itself...

Think about things before you write them, thanks.

I think he was referring to phone technology.

Are you sure about games consoles? Most of those start off in Japan.
 
For all the people who say lack of coverage, that simply isn't true! AT&T has a growing 3G network that covers the most populous areas, and most of their other phones are already 3G enabled, which is why everyone was so disappointed that the iPhone (of all phones) didn't include it.

I thought only SIM cards are 3G enabled in the US...
 
Ahh welcome to the UK, you have made a mistake to move to this **** hole :D! No I'm just messing, what part of The UK are you moving to? This will affect your iPhone ifs its locked to a certain network such as Orange, where I live Orange sucks balls for signal and quality but in other parts of the UK they are apparently great.

Moving to London. I was born in Cardiff, but have spent the last 12 years in the Bahamas/Canada. I miss the UK. But yeah, we'll see what happens with the UK iPhone...
 
One thing I have been curious about is if there is any mention of AT&T on the body of the phone itself?

From what I have seen in a lot of countries around the world, and increasingly more so here in Australia too, is that Carriers have the logo's on the phone, which is something I really don't like that much.

I haven't been able to see anything in the photo's people have taken, but I was curious about the text on the back of the phone.
 
The best part about this is that again I'll only get one bill since I have T-Mobile landline, DSL, and cellular at my flat in Budapest. Hopefully, the next version will incorporate the Cisco networking thing that if I don't have service at my house it will just switch over to wifi over skype or whatever.
 
I think what Apple is doing is, release the iPhone with EDGE in the United States, and release it in any other countries that has EDGE, if the carrier is willing to bend over for Apple. If those two conditions are met, your country gets the iPhone.

If either one of those conditions are not met, no iPhone for you. At least until Apple feels that the United States market is ready for 3G, then it will release a 3G iPhone for the US, and then release the iPhone to those countries omitted because of the conditions above.

Agreed, I don't believe that Apple will upgrade the iPhone hardware before sometime next year (It takes time for design, testing, and approval. The current 3G chips will not fit in the iPhone packaging so it's not a trivial update). The countries that require 3G will get the iPhone but it will not be this year. Those countries that demand an unlocked phone will never see one at least until the AT&T agreement is concluded (5 years I believe).
 
German "Handelsblatt" denies the article of the "Rheinische Post"

Gerangel um deutschen iPhone-Vertrieb geht weiter
Der Bieterkampf um den exklusiven Vertrieb des Apple-Handys iPhone in Deutschland ist noch nicht zuende: Die Meldung, T-Mobile habe wegen eines nachgebesserten Angabots den Zuschlag erhalten, ist nach Handelsblatt-Informationen falsch. Unterdessen wird eine erste Schätzung zur Umsatzrendite des iPhones bekannt - und die ist mehr als üppig.

HB BONN/DÜSSELDORF. Die „Rheinische Post“ berichtet in ihrer Mittwoch-Ausgabe, zwar sei Vodafone wegen seiner größeren Marktmacht in Europa bis zuletzt als Favorit für alle Verkaufsrechte in Europa gehandelt worden. T-Mobile habe sein Angebot aber in letzter Minute nachgebessert und habe Apple damit überzeug. Das Gerät solle ab 1. November für rund 450 Euro ausschließlich in Verbindung mit einem T-Mobile-Vertrag in den Geschäften angeboten werden.

Das Handelsblatt erfuhr dagegen aus Unternehmenskreisen, dass noch nichts entschieden ist. Die Telekom verhandle noch – wie andere Wettbewerber auch – mit Apple über die Vertriebsrechte. Offiziell wollten sich weder der Bonner Telekommunikationsriese noch sein britischer Konkurrent äußern.

55 Prozent Umsatzrendite beim Spitzenmodell

Unabhängig vom Vertriebspartner wird das iPhone die Kassen von Apple kräftig klingeln lassen, wenn sich genügend Geräte absetzen lassen: Das Marktforschungsinstitut iSuppli schätzte die Umsatzrendite beim teuersten iPhone-Modell am Dienstag auf über 55 Prozent. Demnach liegen die Material- und Produktionskosten für das 600 Dollar teure Handy bei gut 265 Dollar. Die Apple-Aktie zog nach Bekanntwerden der Daten um knapp fünf Prozent an.

Apple hatte die mit Spannung erwartete Kombination aus Handy, MP3-Spieler und Organizer am Freitag in den USA in den Handel gebracht. Schätzungen zufolge gingen am Wochenende bereits bis zu eine halbe Million der Geräte über den Ladentisch. iSuppli hat nach eigenen Angaben das Handy mit einer Speicherkapazität von acht Gigabyte auseinandergenommen und die einzelnen Bauteile untersucht. Demnach kostet das von der deutschen Firma Balda gebaute Display 27 Dollar. Den eingebauten Kommunikations-Chip von Infineon bewertete iSuppli mit 15,25 Dollar.

Apple will bis 2008 zehn Mill. iPhones verkaufen, was einem Prozent des weltweiten Mobilfunkmarktes entsprechen würde. In den USA wird das iPhone von etwa 200 Apple-Läden und 1 800 Vertriebspunkten der Telekomgesellschaft AT&T verkauft. Analysten rechnen damit, dass AT&T in den kommenden drei Quartalen drei Millionen iPhones verkaufen könnte und sich so einen zusätzlichen Umsatz von 1,4 Mrd. Dollar sichert.
Source: http://www.handelsblatt.com/news/Un...um-deutschen-iphone-vertrieb-geht-weiter.html
 
Please please please allow that phone to work on T-Mobile in the states. PLEASE! I have a birthday in November and this would be the best news for the year thus far. (3G on the same frequency is pushing it, but I can hope for that too!)
 
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