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One thing I have been curious about is if there is any mention of AT&T on the body of the phone itself?

From what I have seen in a lot of countries around the world, and increasingly more so here in Australia too, is that Carriers have the logo's on the phone, which is something I really don't like that much.

I haven't been able to see anything in the photo's people have taken, but I was curious about the text on the back of the phone.

There is no AT&T logo on the device. It only has an Apple logo on the back. It has an AT&T "virtual logo" on the status bar after activation.
 
I don't want their disgusting ping logo on my nice iPhone either LOL.

T-Mobile in the UK is one of the not so popular networks.
Over here in the UK It's Orange & 02 I'd say.

Orange used to be good at good customer service but they don't care now that they've got such a lead.

Vodafone are actually the largest operator in the UK, in terms of connected user base. O2 and Voda usually shift position from time to time. Orange have been third for quite some time.

To put t-mobile into perspective, information is two years out of date now though - Interestingly enough if you take into account the number of connections registered with virtual mobile operators, then t-mobiles network actually comes out on top in terms of connected user base:

In 2005 the UK had 67,908,546 subscriptions in total, or a 113.4% penetration rate.
Rank Operator technology Subscribers
(in millions) Ownership
1 T-Mobile UMTS, GSM 17.2 (December 2005) Deutsche Telekom
2 Vodafone UMTS, GSM 16.33 (December 2005) Vodafone
3 O2 UMTS, GSM 15.98 (December 2005) Telefónica 2
4 Orange UMTS, GSM 14.86 (December 2005) France Télécom
5 3 UMTS 3.59 1 Hutchison Whampoa

jay
 
German "Handelsblatt" denies the article of the "Rheinische Post"


Source: http://www.handelsblatt.com/news/Un...um-deutschen-iphone-vertrieb-geht-weiter.html

Some guys over at Apfeltalk forums called Tmobile and it was confirmed. Or at least that is what they were told.

Please please please allow that phone to work on T-Mobile in the states. PLEASE! I have a birthday in November and this would be the best news for the year thus far. (3G on the same frequency is pushing it, but I can hope for that too!)

November in 5 years may be :D
 
There is no 3g chip. The phone has been disected, so no hidden 3g chip.

You know, it does not make much sence for Apple to produce multiple phones if the iPhone is already a world phone. I would imagine that the currently iphone already supports 3g, by one of the many unknown, apple branded chips and is turned off, or Apple is sticking with EDGE on both sides of the world.
 
if EDGE is the case in EU what about the wifi

How common are free WiFi access points through out Europe? From memory Germany wasn't too bad when I was there, so if there is an abundance of free/open WiFi would it not be an okay alternative to 3G?

I mean throughout the EU not just in Germany. Maybe the teleco's could offer access to dedicated wifi networks with the monthly fees. Might the pain out of using EDGE in some areas
 
Please please please allow that phone to work on T-Mobile in the states. PLEASE! I have a birthday in November and this would be the best news for the year thus far. (3G on the same frequency is pushing it, but I can hope for that too!)

Apple has an exclusive agreement with AT&T in the states. Either switch to AT&T or wait till the agreement runs out (5 years I believe) and hope that T-Mobile in the states picks up the iPhone.
 
How common are free WiFi access points through out Europe? From memory Germany wasn't too bad when I was there, so if there is an abundance of free/open WiFi would it not be an okay alternative to 3G?

I mean throughout the EU not just in Germany. Maybe the teleco's could offer access to dedicated wifi networks with the monthly fees. Might the pain out of using EDGE in some areas

Apparently, London has the best wifi coverage of any city in the world.

That's not a bad idea including wifi with a service plan; does AT&T do that in the US? Still think you'd need 3G, though.
 
iPhone + Germany = T-Mobile

iPhone + Germany = T-Mobile

Deutsche Telekom's mobile-phone unit cuts deal with Apple for iPhone service in Germany, according to Rheinische Post.
July 3, 2007

By Reuters

Deutsche Telekom's mobile phone unit T-Mobile clinched a deal to bring Apple's iPhone handset to Germany, according to a report in a German daily.

Without citing sources, the Rheinische Post said in a preview of a story to be published on Wednesday that T-Mobile is expected to sell the iPhone exclusively with a T-Mobile contract for around €450 euros ($612) starting Nov 1.

Deutsche Telekom and T-Mobile were not immediately available for comment.

The iPhone, which comes with a built-in iPod, web browser, and e-mail software, went on sale in the United States on Friday.

Apple has signed up top U.S. telecoms operator AT&T in an exclusive deal for at least two years to sell the phone in the United States, where customers willing to sign a two-year contract are expected to pay $500 to $600 for a handset.

In Europe, Britain's Vodafone Group, Deutsche Telekom, Paris-based France Telecom, and Spain's Telefonica have been tipped as potential partners for Apple.
 
But if they do, they'll upset the American customers. So I doubt they will. Which is unfair really considering they get everything 1st anyway, surely people shouldn't be upset if we got a 3G version of the iPhone before them just once.

I believe we got Pirates of the Caribbean a day earlier in the UK than America.

We are you all so fussed about 3G?? I really don't understand. I have a Vodagroan 3G mobile (SonyEricsson V600i), and don't use 3G AT ALL! I don't do video calls, I don't use MMS. The iPhone is right up my street as is! I don't know anyone that does use the 3G functionality of their phone, even though they might have it.

I do think Apple are going to struggle with a market that expects a free phone when they sign a contract. No-body here, except for business users pay for phones when they sign a contract. Having said that, I think my whole family want to buy an iPhone, and with the dollar getting weaker, we might see a better price yet (although I doubt it).
 
Free Wifi APs are not so common in germany...even in most hotels you have to pay for it...BUT... t-mobile owns a lot of wifi access points across germany. Most bars, if they offer wifi, have t-mobile hot-spots...
 
T-Mobile comes from a socialist past when it was a state monopoly linked to the German Telecom.

Do you have any idea what "socialist" means? Germany has never been socialist and there is no free-market economy in socialism. T-Mobile was not linked to German Telecom, it was German Telecom.

At least in these days they had properly qualified staff, real engineers and highly trained support staff (they could even talk you through jumper settings and alternate configurations on the phone)... thanks to free market and stock exchange you now have butchers and bakers installing phone lines and poor underpaid people with strange accents on the "hotline"... great improvement that :(

Cheers
 
Agreed, I don't believe that Apple will upgrade the iPhone hardware before sometime next year (It takes time for design, testing, and approval. The current 3G chips will not fit in the iPhone packaging so it's not a trivial update). The countries that require 3G will get the iPhone but it will not be this year. Those countries that demand an unlocked phone will never see one at least until the AT&T agreement is concluded (5 years I believe).

What makes you sure they haven't already done it? Do you seriously think that this hasn't already been planned, built, tested and approved? They are hardly going to wait until the US launch and then start the next phase.
 
I believe we got Pirates of the Caribbean a day earlier in the UK than America.

We are you all so fussed about 3G?? I really don't understand. I have a Vodagroan 3G mobile (SonyEricsson V600i), and don't use 3G AT ALL! I don't do video calls, I don't use MMS. The iPhone is right up my street as is! I don't know anyone that does use the 3G functionality of their phone, even though they might have it.

I do think Apple are going to struggle with a market that expects a free phone when they sign a contract. No-body here, except for business users pay for phones when they sign a contract. Having said that, I think my whole family want to buy an iPhone, and with the dollar getting weaker, we might see a better price yet (although I doubt it).

I feel happier now, knowing that about the film ;)

The point of the iPhone is that it has a very useable web browser, for which you would use 3G.

Actually, I use 3G already on my SE phone and many people do. MMS messages are very popular and they do send quicker on 3G.
 
I believe we got Pirates of the Caribbean a day earlier in the UK than America.

We are you all so fussed about 3G?? I really don't understand. I have a Vodagroan 3G mobile (SonyEricsson V600i), and don't use 3G AT ALL! I don't do video calls, I don't use MMS. The iPhone is right up my street as is! I don't know anyone that does use the 3G functionality of their phone, even though they might have it.

To be honest then the way you use your phone i wouldnt bother with the iphone. I use 3G at least once a day either for web access, wap access or email on my phone. In fact if its not HSDPA 3G I think Apple would be missing a trick
 
German press says iPhone coming to Europe 1 November

German press says iPhone coming to Europe 1 November

T-Mobile rumoured to set date and price in Europe
by Stuart Miles


3 July 2007 - The rumours of an iPhone launch in Europe thicken even further today with the rumour that T-Mobile will be getting the iPhone in Germany on 1 November this year.

The news, picked up by The Washington Post from an article in German newspaper Rheinische Post, coincides with the news posted on Pocket-lint earlier today that contract legalities between German and UK lawyers caused delays of the announcement.

According to the article, the iPhone will sell for 450 euros (US $612). There has been no confirmation however, of the rumours the European version of the iPhone may incorporate 3G technology.

Apple hasn't confirmed a date for the launch in the UK other than it will be launched at the tail end of the year in Europe.

Earlier today rumours suggested that an announcement would be made on the sale of 1 million iPhones sold.

The rumour that T-Mobile alongside Vodafone would be getting the iPhone started Friday, with an announcement due on Monday 2 July, which however failed to materialise.

Quoting German sources, Guy Kewney from Newswireless.net reports today that so far the deal has been held up by legal wrangling, he quotes his sources:

"What we're hearing is that there was a contract drawn up in Germany; but that when Vodafone's Newbury lawyers saw it, they said they weren't signing a contract under German law, and it had to be re-drafted under UK legislation."
 
iPhone + Germany = T-Mobile

Deutsche Telekom's mobile-phone unit cuts deal with Apple for iPhone service in Germany, according to Rheinische Post.
July 3, 2007

By Reuters

Don't forget: Handelsblatt denies! Handelsblatt is a very serious newspaper for economic issues... normally!
 
How common are free WiFi access points through out Europe? From memory Germany wasn't too bad when I was there, so if there is an abundance of free/open WiFi would it not be an okay alternative to 3G?

I mean throughout the EU not just in Germany. Maybe the teleco's could offer access to dedicated wifi networks with the monthly fees. Might the pain out of using EDGE in some areas

The UK is quite well served and getting better. There are plenty of paid-for access points in major cities as almost all public telephone boxes have WiFi points, and most coffee shops etc. However the good thing is that some cities are now providing free ubiquitious WiFi. Norwich was done recently and Leeds is soon.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/5297884.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4993038.stm

This will also work well for universities as most major UK unis have blanket WiFi for staff and students.

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No iPhone (yet). I carry a Blackberry for work, and really prefer a small phone for myself. Sticking with my Krzr for now.

Bushmills - I'll pick up some 16yr on the way home tonight.

Cheers!

Enjoy. They mature it in American malt whiskey barrels if my memory serves me correctly; Scotch uses sherry barrels, I believe. Oh, and it's spelled with an 'e' just like you guys do :)
 
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