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Stan Sigman (AT&T Mobility head) said on stage at Macworld that it is a multi-year exclusive partnership.

My bad, I thought he said multi-year partnership and used the word exclusive in a different sentence meaning something else.
 
I don't know but i can tell you that I know a lot of people who really dislike Vodafone. Vodafone is also famouse for making a really ugly branding on the phones. I guess that Apple will say No to this, if they make the deal :D

Theyre actually moving away from this external branding a little recently and even when they do its fairly subtle.

That said no way would Apple let it happen so i reckon short of maybe a Voda logo on start up screen and menu bar it will be as apple decide

I'm a little biased - but Voda is the best network in the uK - not the cheapest neccasarily but best for service
 
Sheesh I remember when the dollar was worth more than the Euro...if they update that iPhone to 3G without first doing it in the US I think a lot of people will be pissed...

What is going on with that Qualcomm chip ban thing anyway? I thought that was upheld so a lot of phone companies can't make 3G phones right now :confused:

im guessing 4 out of 5 people have a mobile here in europe.cos were special :p
 
All true but for the accent remark. I've had my share of experience with purely German hotline idiots.

You have a point there - I did not mean to suggest that the answers are poor because there are foreigners involved, if a German, Indian or whatever is reading the wrong information from a screen does not really make a difference. Heck, when IBM still had the German hotline in Bavaria, I begged them a couple of times to transfer my call to Bangalore or the US to increase my chance of understanding something :cool:

Cheers
 
What makes you sure they haven't already done it?

Anything is possible but I doubt it.

Apple put all it's resources (including OSX 10.5 people) into getting the iPhone released in June. They might have started work on version 2 of the iPhone but I doubt that it's too far along. Putting in a 3G chip would alone require a major repackaging of the iPhone due to the chips larger size and you would need new tooling at the factories to produce the new iPhones. The new iPhones would then need testing and CE approval before they could be shipped overseas. I'm assuming that you would then need the telco regulatory approval (similar to FCC) from each country before the iPhone can be used.

I stand by my prediction that you will not see a 3G iPhone till next year.
 
Deal with T-Mobile NOT final

Hello people, first post ever from a quiet reader for almost five years. And live from Germany, too... :)

The deal with T-Mobile seems not to be final as of now! According to information the very respected german business paper "Handelsblatt" seems to have acquired the "Rheinische Post" report is wrong.

"Gerangel um deutschen iPhone-Vertrieb geht weiter –
Der Bieterkampf um den exklusiven Vertrieb des Apple-Handys iPhone in Deutschland ist noch nicht zuende: Die Meldung, T-Mobile habe wegen eines nachgebesserten Angabots den Zuschlag erhalten, ist nach Handelsblatt-Informationen falsch."

Translation:

"Bidders struggle for exclusive iPhone distribution continues –
Bidders fight for exclusive distribution of Apple's iPhone is not over: the report, T-Mobile had the winning bid due to the best offer is wrong, according to information "Handelsblatt" acquired from the company milieu."

"Handelsblatt" article


Let's keep our fingers crossed - GO VODA! ;)
 
I remember reading somewhere (here most likely) that network coverage, battery life and size concerns were the biggest factors in not going 3G.

That is generally the argument.

However... I have never seen anyone actually show the difference size or battery drain rates of 3G chips versus EDGE chips. Does anyone know of any actual numbers?
 
If this holds for The Netherlands as well, then I won't even need to get a new simcard (maybe)... :D I like T-Mobile. I've had a very good experience with them.

Same for me. Hoping for T-mobile in the Netherlands; seems likely in view of their presence here.
 
Apple has an exclusive agreement with AT&T in the states. Either switch to AT&T or wait till the agreement runs out (5 years I believe) and hope that T-Mobile in the states picks up the iPhone.

You know, I keep seeing posts like this saying that the German T-Mobile iPhone will not work on the U.S. T-Mobile network, but none of them have actually backed that up with any technical information.

Whatever is keeping people from swapping AT&T SIMs around on the American iPhone is the only thing that's going to keep a German iPhone from working in the states. Once that lock is defeated by the people already working on it, yup, you'll be able to use it here.

Actually, since users of the German iPhone may want to travel to America, and be able to make calls roaming on T-Mobile's American network, they would have to be able to work over here, too.
 
Anything is possible but I doubt it.

Apple put all it's resources (including OSX 10.5 people) into getting the iPhone released in June. They might have started work on version 2 of the iPhone but I doubt that it's too far along. Putting in a 3G chip would alone require a major repackaging of the iPhone due to the chips larger size and you would need new tooling at the factories to produce the new iPhones.

There is still empty space in the iPhone!

iphone_emptyspace.jpg
 
All but the 3G could be added through software/firmware updates couldn't it?

A few months back there was a story about Apple purchasing chips that could both decode and encode H.264. Now Apple has been revealed that one reason Apple prefers H.264 for the iPhone (as opposed to something like flash) is that Apple has H.264 hardware decoders in the iPhone that don't drain the battery nearly as much as the software-based solutions.

Apple may want to wait until the iPhone also has H.264 hardware encoders in the iPhone before allowing it to do video.
 
The phone will go on sale in November, and will retail for EUR450 a piece, according to the newspaper, citing sources within the company. T-Mobile declined to comment.

450 euro is a bit steep for a network locked phone. I work for a major Irish network and the research we've done says that the Europeans that would usually pay more than 400 euro for a phone, are the very people that care if their phone is locked or not.

Also, if there's no 3G on the phone in Europe, then it will be an utter flop. People like to go forward with technology, why take a step a few years backwards?

-jp
 
Please please please allow that phone to work on T-Mobile in the states. PLEASE! I have a birthday in November and this would be the best news for the year thus far. (3G on the same frequency is pushing it, but I can hope for that too!)

You need to drink the koolaid. Unless a hack is found, AT&T will be your rear-service violator.
 
I think what Apple is doing is, release the iPhone with EDGE in the United States, and release it in any other countries that has EDGE, if the carrier is willing to bend over for Apple. If those two conditions are met, your country gets the iPhone.

If either one of those conditions are not met, no iPhone for you. At least until Apple feels that the United States market is ready for 3G, then it will release a 3G iPhone for the US, and then release the iPhone to those countries omitted because of the conditions above.

I'm from Europe and I really do think the same. I don't belive they will switch to 3G.
But reading all this... I'm on 3 (carrier), which is all about promoting 3G services. The connection to the net is great and with Opera mini I got the "real" internet a while ago. Lacks Flash, as Safari on the iPhone. You're not able to do the fancy stuff (i.e. zoom), but works with almost every phone...

The iPhone... the hype is a success, looks great, user interface is surley better then on other phones...but I would never sign a contract just becouse of the phone. Makes no sense to me.
 
Anything is possible but Apple claimed that size was one of the reasons the iPhone didn't have 3G in the phone when it released. The empty space may not be readily usable space in terms of the 3G chip.

How big do you exactly think a 3G chip is? I'm pretty sure the iPhone is bigger than 90% of these phones.

If you believe Apple saying that, then I'll go ahead and sell you my 3G iPhone that was already sent to me by Apple for testing. ;)
 
How big do you exactly think a 3G chip is? I'm pretty sure the iPhone is bigger than 90% of these phones.

If you believe Apple saying that, then I'll go ahead and sell you my 3G iPhone that was already sent to me by Apple for testing. ;)

exactly - i have a w880 amogst other phones and its super thin and has decent battery so apple are making it up!
 
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