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They won't do that. I've done that once or twice in the past 2-3 years trying an Android phone on Verizon and they are just glad to get you back. They never tried to charge me an ETF.

Wow. Ok, that's news to me. I'd be hesitant to try that if I had a legacy plan with AT&T. I'm sure if you port over to another carrier and you had a legacy AT&T plan with unlimited data, your chances of getting that plan back would be close to zero.
 
If you really did port your number over from AT&T to T-Mobile and you were still under a contract with AT&T, be prepared for AT&T to try to nail you with an ETF. Not sure how much begging it will take to get them to waive it if you come back within 14 days. They're probably not required to; but they might do it as a gesture of good will if you come back to them.

As soon as you walk into a new carrier and ask them to port your number over from your current carrier while you're still under contract, your current carrier has every right to nail you with an ETF. That process is set in motion as soon as your new carrier submits the request to port your number over.

Now, if your AT&T iPhone 5 is unlocked and you just got a T-Mobile SIM card with a different number assigned to it, that's a different story. But you said you "ported over" from AT&T so that makes me think you asked T-Mobile to port over your number from AT&T.

Before making the decision I checked with both carriers. AT&T will waive the ETF if you return within two months (they actually said 59 days). Tmobile won't charge you anything as long as you cancel within two weeks I believe (just paid for the SIM card). I'm going to test probably for less than two weeks and if the service doesn't work well enough after the carrier update in the area I use it most I will port right back to AT&T and no damage done.

-Mike

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AT&T's deductible is set by an agreement between AT&T and Asurion... and the $200 is for xxGB (no matter size of memory). Asurion is also they insurance provider for T-Mo, and likewise, deductible is based in agreement between them

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When people are putting their local experience with network... CAN YOU PLEASE MENTION WHERE YOU ARE???
Visiting Newark, NJ Harrison, NJ and Woodbridge, NJ

-Mike
 
Not sure what that's about since Verizon phones haven't gotten the T-Mobile update and are not likely to get it--not to mention the comment wasn't really about that anyway.

And yet you asked why Verizon was listed. So if the comment wasn't really why then why make the comment.

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Good point, but I can tell you that when my speaker broke on my iP5 a month ago, I took it to apple and they replaced it (through the warranty) and I was really worried about getting a refurb as the replacement and the apple rep assured me that they don't do refurb's for the iP5 yet and I was getting a new one. Could he have been lying to me? Sure but I don't think he was.

Apples a different company with different rules.

. The processing center cant say "Oh well this imei was originally an AT&T version so thats what hes going to get" instead they will verify that you are a tmobile customer with handset protection, and make you pay the deductible and give you the tmobile iP5.

Depending on the terms of the policy they could. And they might. And if you signed and agreed to those terms you are stuck with them.

As for your stocking up comment this is a third party who might also handle ATTs claims and have stocked up for that. It's unlikely they can return any phones to Apple same as Best Buy etc so they might just use such a method to dump any excess. After all they only have to make sure those that bought and signed up post launch t-mobile phones gets that phone. Folks that signed up before what signed up a different phone so the company only has to insure they get what they signed up.

The only thing of doing this is that you will no longer have an unlocked phone, it will now be locked for tmobile.

Not neccessarily. If you paid full price the phone is unlocked at purchase. Or rather not locked. Technically all gsm phones are unlocked when they leave the factory. When you connect it to iTunes to activate it that's when the proper carrier lock is downloaded etc. so if you pay full price no carrier is listed and you just plug into iTunes and done. And actually once t-mobile is official you might not have to bother with plugging it into a computer. They might have OTA set up to work
 
Got my own answer!!!

List of cities with HSPA and HSPA+ refarmed to the 1900 MHz:
http://androidandme.com/2012/12/car...-new-metro-areas-to-4g-hspa-on-1900-mhz-band/

This list confirms San Diego to be refarmed 1900 MHz HSPA+:
http://androidandme.com/2012/12/car...or-att-and-unlocked-phones-in-23-metro-areas/


Which should mean that HSPA+ is also available for unlocked AT&T iPhones, not just HSPA.

HERE'S a small part of article:
"...T-Mobile has been moving pretty fast and today they announced that 23 metro areas, reaching over 100 million people, now have the enhanced network. This means that unlocked AT&T phones and some global phones can now experience 4G HSPA+ 42 Mbps speeds on T-Mobile’s network..."

CONTINUES TO PART WE CARE ABOUT:
"...Internal T-Mobile tests of unlocked iPhone 4S devices running over 4G HSPA+ on their 1900 MHz network recorded on average 70% faster download speeds than iPhone 4S devices on AT&T’s network."

As I noted in another thread, this is not quite correct re unlocked AT&T i5/4S/4. In the refarmed areas the 1900 max is 21Mbps not 42Mbps. I believe this is because they don't have enough spectrum to go whole hog.

The 42Mbps is limited to the AWS part of the spectrum and that will only be available with the new TMo i5 or, potentially, the revved AT&T i5 (absent some Apple update or hack that unlocks the AWS band for HSPA+ on the older AT&T i5s.)
 
As I noted in another thread, this is not quite correct re unlocked AT&T i5/4S/4. In the refarmed areas the 1900 max is 21Mbps not 42Mbps. I believe this is because they don't have enough spectrum to go whole hog.

The 42Mbps is limited to the AWS part of the spectrum and that will only be available with the new TMo i5 or, potentially, the revved AT&T i5 (absent some Apple update or hack that unlocks the AWS band for HSPA+ on the older AT&T i5s.)

Thanks for correction... Either way, as for as I've been told (in this thread), the iPhone 4S is only HSPA+ (or HSPA) is only up to 14Mbps... So as long as I get the iPhone 4S's full 4G capability I'm good!!! At least on the 4 lines I'm bringing over from AT&T... I didn't want to get stuck on 2G or 3G... As long as I get some 4G I'm good.

Plus, I also got six T-Mo iPhone 5 on order... 10 lines total... Oh, plus one Sonic 2.0 hotspot to use for my iPads & laptops on the road.
 
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It's too bad that Apple can't enable AWS support on the 3G bands for phones that are already out there. But I guess that is the nature of the game.
 
Delivery estimate set to April 16th, selected the cheapest shipping. Wish they would deliver on the 12th along with free shipping...
 
I got it through my T-Mo Business Acct Rep

but you can call them and ask them to do it... They should be able to

Worth a short phone call to see if they can do this, worst they can do is say no. Thanks for everything! :)
 
Worth a short phone call to see if they can do this, worst they can do is say no. Thanks for everything! :)

Call and Post what they say so we all know, thx #


Although, this thread is about the Software Update... Go to:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1566531/
this thread is about the Launch, Shipping, ETF (early termination fees), etc.
 
Petition

From what I hear the hardware on the AT&T iPhone5 and the tmobile iPhone is the same as far as the radio chipset. If that is the case why don't we start a massive petition and send it over to Apple, Tmobile, and even the Whitehouse requesting that they release an update to unlock the band(s) in question. Just talking about it on the forum accomplishes nothing but a petition at least stands a better chance.

-Mike
 
Wow. Ok, that's news to me. I'd be hesitant to try that if I had a legacy plan with AT&T. I'm sure if you port over to another carrier and you had a legacy AT&T plan with unlimited data, your chances of getting that plan back would be close to zero.

Now I'm sure you would lose unlimited data with AT&T if you switched even for 5 minutes.

I switched to Sprint from Verizon for a week when the iPhone 4S came out and when I saw how slow Sprint's 3G network was I went back to Verizon. They took away my unlimited plan when I came back.
 
Good point, but I can tell you that when my speaker broke on my iP5 a month ago, I took it to apple and they replaced it (through the warranty) and I was really worried about getting a refurb as the replacement and the apple rep assured me that they don't do refurb's for the iP5 yet and I was getting a new one. Could he have been lying to me? Sure but I don't think he was.

As for the insurance claim after the 12th T-mobile will officially support the iP5. If you make an insurance claim under tmobile after that date they should be giving you the tmobile version of the phone as its carrier specific. The processing center cant say "Oh well this imei was originally an AT&T version so thats what hes going to get" instead they will verify that you are a tmobile customer with handset protection, and make you pay the deductible and give you the tmobile iP5.
The only thing of doing this is that you will no longer have an unlocked phone, it will now be locked for tmobile. (Although thats also a good question since they did say it will be unlocked once you pay it off, so if your not making payments on it they might go ahead and unlock it for you since there is no contract or under any type of monthly installments plan.)

Your right, in the fact that they could if they wanted to give me an older version but since I'm hearing the older ones wont be available anymore after the 12th I doubt it. Also I don't see Assurion stoking up on the older version for tmobile replacements based on that fact. But I could be wrong, no one will know what they are going to do until they do it.

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Thanks, been looking for this info!

Tmobile will only allow insurance on iPhones purchased from them. They will not insure or process insurance claims for unlocked iPhones purchased through Apple or other retailers.
 
Good point, but I can tell you that when my speaker broke on my iP5 a month ago, I took it to apple and they replaced it (through the warranty) and I was really worried about getting a refurb as the replacement and the apple rep assured me that they don't do refurb's for the iP5 yet and I was getting a new one. Could he have been lying to me? Sure but I don't think he was.

There is a very easy way to tell if you have a refurbished iPhone 5. If you go to Settings > General > About look at the model numbers.

Refurbished units start with ND and retail units start with MD.
 
Now I'm sure you would lose unlimited data with AT&T if you switched even for 5 minutes.

I switched to Sprint from Verizon for a week when the iPhone 4S came out and when I saw how slow Sprint's 3G network was I went back to Verizon. They took away my unlimited plan when I came back.


As far as I've been told by a few AT&T cust serv reps when they try to convince me to switch to their New Mobile Share Plans, customers can come back to the Unlimited within 60 days. (I currently have 6 lines with AT&T; 2 unlimited & 4 with their 3GB plan), but doesn't matter for me since I'm porting lines over to T-Mo

I don't know if same offer work when cust leave company and come back, but I think it does.
 
There is a very easy way to tell if you have a refurbished iPhone 5. If you go to Settings > General > About look at the model numbers.

Refurbished units start with ND and retail units start with MD.


I don't think tests right... b'cus I've received 4 iPhone 4S replacements... Two came in New Apple OEM Boxes and I was told by Asurion they gas New in stock and two others came in white boxes and I was told by Asurion I would get Refurb b'cus they were out of stock on New ones

All four Asurion replacements start with MD (just checked).
 
Thanks for correction... Either way, as for as I've been told (in this thread), the iPhone 4S is only HSPA+ (or HSPA) is only up to 14Mbps... So as long as I get the iPhone 4S's full 4G capability I'm good!!! At least on the 4 lines I'm bringing over from AT&T... I didn't want to get stuck on 2G or 3G... As long as I get some 4G I'm good.

Plus, I also got six T-Mo iPhone 5 on order... 10 lines total... Oh, plus one Sonic 2.0 hotspot to use for my iPads & laptops on the road.

Not sure what market you're in but be aware that those lines bringing over unlocked iPhones might have some spotty HSPA+ service depending on your area.
 
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