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Tag Heuer, YSL, and Burberry's people...

Hmm will this be a fashion watch or a health device?

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I prefer Movado. Sorry Apple no sale!

lol ew. Movados are among the worst looking products on the market today.
 
It seems like many people are completely confused about 1) luxury and 2) luxury watches.

1) Does Apple make luxury products?

As someone has already said, luxury is mutually exclusive with mass market.
You could describe Apple's iPhones and MacBook Pros as being high-end of the mass market.
But anyone who really wants to buy an Apple product can buy most of the products except for the Mac Pro.
In contrast, a luxury car or a luxury bag are items that many people aspire to have, but not everyone can reasonably buy.
Sure, you might be able to buy a $10000 bag from Hermes or a $1500 casual shoes from Christian Louboutin, but it's not quite as accessible or justifiable as a laptop or a phone purchase.
That is not "luxury" in my opinion although that's really more semantics than anything else.


2) Will Apple's wearable be a luxury device (luxury watch)?

Once again, it depends on what you mean by luxury watch.
But the quintessential entry level luxury watch is a Rolex Submariner, which costs around 8000 US dollars.
An entry level "high-end" watch from a brand like Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Breguet and A Lange & Sohne costs more than 10,000 or even 15,000.
For sure, Apple is not going to be releasing a device in that category because Apple is an electronics company.

But given their hires from YSL, Tag Heuer, and Burberry's, it seems that they may charge a little more than what the Android devices are charging.
This could be in line with what Apple has done in the past with pricing some of their first gen high quality products in new categories (first iPhone was quite a lot more than average phones and Mac Pros still remain expensive).

Still, given the product cycle of consumer electronics devices, anything above $1000 would be hard to justify.
Like most of Apple's products, battery performance will degrade over time and Apple will release new products every year or two.
Above $1000, it is difficult to get many people to line up at the Apple store to buy.

Therefore the product may either be subsidized (by whom it's unclear since insurance company reimbursements are complex and I don't think Apple store geniuses are equipped to deal with insurance companies) or it should be around $300-$500.

$500 is still a lot more than what all the other Android devices go for and it's possible that like the original iPhone, Apple is not looking to sell as many as possible with the first gen device.
Ideally, for people to gobble up this device like they do with iPad or iPhone, the price for this device should be either lower or it should do something that everyone really wants.

It's just speculation at this point, but my bet is that this device will either be around $400 or if above $500, it performs some functions that no other smart watch does.
 
Lol to anyone who thinks Apple or wearables will take over the luxury watch segment.

LOL to anyone who thinks Apple's new tablet will be useful as anything more than a giant iPod touch.

Many people thought that way when the iPad first came out, and yet here we are...
 
LOL to anyone who thinks Apple's new tablet will be useful as anything more than a giant iPod touch.



Many people thought that way when the iPad first came out, and yet here we are...


Yes apple can surprise people.

That doesn't mean any unreasonable thing can happen.
 
People swayed to buy the iWatch will not be choosing b/w the iWatch and a luxury timepiece. Someone who can afford a $5000+ timepiece will buy the iWatch AND still buy the luxury offering as well. The Quartz crisis already happened, the Swiss watch industry already lost those who wanted affordable watches, and in the process doubled-down on the luxury niche market. People don't buy watches anymore to tell the time, brand name matters within the world of timepieces. Someone considering a Rolex or Patek or Omega or etc will still buy that piece and get the iWatch as a separate "tool".

No one will be giving up their luxury wrist presence for an iWatch even despite the hypothesized health benefits. I might give up my bracelets on my right wrist for an iWatch but I'm not giving up my Montblancs on my left wrist.

All my colegues from my lawyer company had lets say in 2009 vertu or nokia 8800(all of them) and yes we still have high end luxury watches to give trust and confident to our clients, but now in 2014 we all have iphones,why? Becuase Apple brand is one of the most respected company on Earth and because is a fashion device and can do a lot more with it. Trust me if Apple will appeal to that segment and deliever an high end materials pricy watch, everybody will buy and move on with the time.Unless, of course the luxury watches can't keep up and make what Vertu also made to have a touchscreen with OS
 
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It seems like many people are completely confused about 1) luxury and 2) luxury watches.

1) Does Apple make luxury products?

As someone has already said, luxury is mutually exclusive with mass market.
You could describe Apple's iPhones and MacBook Pros as being high-end of the mass market.
But anyone who really wants to buy an Apple product can buy most of the products except for the Mac Pro.
In contrast, a luxury car or a luxury bag are items that many people aspire to have, but not everyone can reasonably buy.
Sure, you might be able to buy a $10000 bag from Hermes or a $1500 casual shoes from Christian Louboutin, but it's not quite as accessible or justifiable as a laptop or a phone purchase.
That is not "luxury" in my opinion although that's really more semantics than anything else.


2) Will Apple's wearable be a luxury device (luxury watch)?

Once again, it depends on what you mean by luxury watch.
But the quintessential entry level luxury watch is a Rolex Submariner, which costs around 8000 US dollars.
An entry level "high-end" watch from a brand like Audemars Piguet, Patek Philippe, Vacheron Constantin, Breguet and A Lange & Sohne costs more than 10,000 or even 15,000.
For sure, Apple is not going to be releasing a device in that category because Apple is an electronics company.

But given their hires from YSL, Tag Heuer, and Burberry's, it seems that they may charge a little more than what the Android devices are charging.
This could be in line with what Apple has done in the past with pricing some of their first gen high quality products in new categories (first iPhone was quite a lot more than average phones and Mac Pros still remain expensive).

Still, given the product cycle of consumer electronics devices, anything above $1000 would be hard to justify.
Like most of Apple's products, battery performance will degrade over time and Apple will release new products every year or two.
Above $1000, it is difficult to get many people to line up at the Apple store to buy.

Therefore the product may either be subsidized (by whom it's unclear since insurance company reimbursements are complex and I don't think Apple store geniuses are equipped to deal with insurance companies) or it should be around $300-$500.

$500 is still a lot more than what all the other Android devices go for and it's possible that like the original iPhone, Apple is not looking to sell as many as possible with the first gen device.
Ideally, for people to gobble up this device like they do with iPad or iPhone, the price for this device should be either lower or it should do something that everyone really wants.

It's just speculation at this point, but my bet is that this device will either be around $400 or if above $500, it performs some functions that no other smart watch does.

Apple products is not luxury coz it made for mass production... The price is just right for middle income.

But Apple design is luxurious... Perfectly crafted.

Jony's iWatch edition (diamond) will be luxury. Probably $500k in Auctions.

Red edition iWatch (red gold) will be semi luxury.
 
Apple products is not luxury coz it made for mass production... The price is just right for middle income.



But Apple design is luxurious... Perfectly crafted.



Jony's iWatch edition (diamond) will be luxury. Probably $500k in Auctions.



Red edition iWatch (red gold) will be semi luxury.


Lol what?
 
I'm sure The folks from Blackberry and Nokia said the very same thing about the iPhone.


How does that have anything to do with luxury watches?

Smart phone was a nascent segment with no clear leaders for non business people.

Wrist watches, luxury wrist watches in particular, are an extremely old market with very clear market leaders and prices defined.

What makes you so sure that apple will disrupt it when apple hasn't even shown you what the device looks like?
How do you define luxury watches?
 
LOL to anyone who thinks Apple's new tablet will be useful as anything more than a giant iPod touch.

Many people thought that way when the iPad first came out, and yet here we are...

Yes apple can surprise people.

That doesn't mean any unreasonable thing can happen.

It is necessary to differentiate that market more to understand what is going on. The watch market consists of many segments but for simplicity we can distinguish the segments:

  • The low end market: Swatch, Fossil etc.
  • The mid range market: Guess, Longines, Tag Heuer, Rado etc.
  • The high end market: Rolex, Breitling etc.
  • The super high-end market: Lange & Söhne, Zenith etc.

These segments overlap of course to a certain extent and some manufacturers produce in two segments simultaneously.

The point is that anything in the high end and super high end segments will not be impacted by any smart watch of any kind. It doesn't matter how high apple will price it or how many sensors or software apple will stuff into it. These are fundamentally different segments than the low and mid range segments.
 
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It is unreasonable to expect that Apple's iWatch will be a substitute for luxury watches such as Breitling, Rolex etc. if you think that than you probably don't own one and understand how the markets for electronic devices and high-end automatic watches differ.


I agree with you, in case it wasn't clear in my posts.
 
It is necessary to differentiate that market more to understand what is going on. The watch market consists of many segments but for simplicity we can distinguish the segments:

  • The low end market: Swatch, Fossil etc.
  • The mid range market: Guess, Longines, Tag Heuer, Rado etc.
  • The high end market: Rolex, Breitling etc.
  • The super high-end market: Lange & Söhne, Zenith etc.

These segments overlap of course to a certain extent and some manufacturers produce in two segments simultaneously.

The point is that anything in the high end and super high end segments will not be impacted by any smart watch of any kind. It doesn't matter how high apple will price it or how many sensors or software apple will stuff into it. These are fundamentally different segments than the low and mid range segments.

How can you put Longines along side with Guess ?? hahah its a luxury brand along side Rolex, they were buddies back then. Guess like Hugo boss, CK are clothes brands based and make mid watches yes..but Longines is a full luxury watch brand.
 
Apple’s ‘iWatch’ To Be ‘Swiss Made’ http://appadvice.com/appnn/2014/07/report-apples-iwatch-to-be-swiss-made

I bet china is psd!!

That rumour is BS. The iwatch will not have "Swiss made" on it. It will be made in China .

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It is necessary to differentiate that market more to understand what is going on. The watch market consists of many segments but for simplicity we can distinguish the segments:

  • The low end market: Swatch, Fossil etc.
  • The mid range market: Guess, Longines, Tag Heuer, Rado etc.
  • The high end market: Rolex, Breitling etc.
  • The super high-end market: Lange & Söhne, Zenith etc.

These segments overlap of course to a certain extent and some manufacturers produce in two segments simultaneously.

The point is that anything in the high end and super high end segments will not be impacted by any smart watch of any kind. It doesn't matter how high apple will price it or how many sensors or software apple will stuff into it. These are fundamentally different segments than the low and mid range segments.

Very good post. The like of brands in the tier if Rolex will not be impacted by an itoy. No digital gimmick with sensors is going to beat class.
 
How can you put Longines along side with Guess ?? hahah its a luxury brand along side Rolex, they were buddies back then. Guess like Hugo boss, CK are clothes brands based and make mid watches yes..but Longines is a full luxury watch brand.

Please read my post properly. I said that some manufacturers are in several segments, but for all intents and purposes Longines makes more watches in the mid range segments (look at the stores that sell them, these most often do not have license contracts with any of the high enders).

It depends on how you define the segments. Most of Longines watches are somewhere below the $2000 range. I call that mid range, but for some that might be high end.
 
Please read my post properly. I said that some manufacturers are in several segments, but for all intents and purposes Longines makes more watches in the mid range segments (look at the stores that sell them, these most often do not have license contracts with any of the high enders).

It depends on how you define the segments. Most of Longines watches are somewhere below the $2000 range. I call that mid range, but for some that might be high end.

Longines is a luxury brand watch and the other aren't. And for the god, luxury hasn't a base price point. I know a lot a past rolex watches that is in range of 800 US, that means this is not a luxury brand? Common
Zenith is like a Maybach in world of cars..a distinctive segment
 
Guys this is not a watch forum lol lets not get into brand tiers.
They do this all the time at watch forums and there's no clear consensus.
 
Guys this is not a watch forum lol lets not get into brand tiers.
They do this all the time at watch forums and there's no clear consensus.

This news is about iwatch and how it will change the thinking about it.
I am sure if will be a big hit,like iphone, even the luxury brands must come up with something different.
 
Luxury is a loosely defined word.

Why not talk about prices?

High end to one person is not high end to another.
It's not clear what you mean when you say luxury or high end.

To me a high end watch starts from around $15000.

Apple is not going to release a watch in that price segment. I would be willing to bet all my possessions on that.
 
Longines is a luxury brand watch and the other aren't. And for the god, luxury hasn't a base price point. I know a lot a past rolex watches that is in range of 800 US, that means this is not a luxury brand? Common
Zenith is like a Maybach in world of cars..a distinctive segment

Again, read my post more properly. I clearly say that it depends how you define the segments and others might do it differently. I define it as above and it serves the purpose of the argumentation that an iWatch won't affect the high end and above. If you want to put Longines into high end, than by all means do it. Who cares?
 
Luxury is a loosely defined word.

Why not talk about prices?

High end to one person is not high end to another.
It's not clear what you mean when you say luxury or high end.

To me a high end watch starts from around $15000.

Apple is not going to release a watch in that price segment. I would be willing to bet all my possessions on that.

thats correct
 
Luxury is a loosely defined word.

Why not talk about prices?

High end to one person is not high end to another.
It's not clear what you mean when you say luxury or high end.

To me a high end watch starts from around $15000.

Apple is not going to release a watch in that price segment. I would be willing to bet all my possessions on that.

Exactly there is not a person on this planet that is in the market for an IWC, Panerai or Rolex that would consider an iWatch as a replacement. It would more likely be an addition to an existing collection.

I personally just bought the Rolex GMT II blue bezel. I have many Apple products but I would never consider any iWatch no matter how functional or expensive as an alternative to that Rolex. I would more likely buy it as an addition.

Now if I would be in the market for a Boss or any other watch (which I am not) than maybe I would consider an iWatch as an alternative.
 
Exactly there is not a person on this planet that is in the market for an IWC, Panerai or Rolex that would consider an iWatch as a replacement. It would more likely be an addition to an existing collection.

I personally just bought the Rolex GMT II blue bezel. I have many Apple products but I would never consider any iWatch no matter how functional or expensive as an alternative to that Rolex. I would more likely buy it as an addition.

Now if I would be in the market for a Boss or any other watch (which I am not) than maybe I would consider an iWatch as an alternative.

You even don't know what iwatch look/build from/cost/and do and you already post your statement about it. Lets put it in this way, Vertu if they didn't come up with a touchscreen collection+Android ...was gone

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What i mean to say is Apple changes the way you think about product even for the luxury companies
 
What i mean to say is Apple changes the way you think about product even for the luxury companies

I still can't see Apple impacting on their market.

Watches from the luxury companies will last a lifetime.

Just like iPhones and iPads, Apple's iWatch will be out of date after 12 months and will most likely be obsolete 2 years later.
 
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