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Taller Next-Generation iPhone Front Panel Caught on Video

Only iPhone bodyyyyyy!!!

Everyone seems to be speculating about the 4-inch display but what about the software. Will it have some improvements or new killer apps like 4S had Siri.

Give me a taste of that....:mad::mad:
 
So, the taller screen with the same width, means that the old applications will be displayed either in the middle with black bars or shifted towards screen top/bottom.

But what about the new apps that will take advantage of the new screen, when displayed on the current models ?
 
antonis said:
So, the taller screen with the same width, means that the old applications will be displayed either in the middle with black bars or shifted towards screen top/bottom.

But what about the new apps that will take advantage of the new screen, when displayed on the current models ?
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I think new apps should be able to support both resolutions, with potentially more real estate in the new phone vs old one.

It is bound to happen, mobile apps should support multiple resolutions and aspect ratios. Android jumped on the multi-screen-size too early perhaps, hence the spagetti mess (a lot of Android developers are now getting clever with resolutions, recent apps looke great actually). iOS has been out for 5 years now, this should be one of it's next evolution steps.
 
Tiger8 said:
I think new apps should be able to support both resolutions, with potentially more real estate in the new phone vs old one.

It is bound to happen, mobile apps should support multiple resolutions and aspect ratios. Android jumped on the multi-screen-size too early perhaps, hence the spagetti mess (a lot of Android developers are now getting clever with resolutions, recent apps looke great actually). iOS has been out for 5 years now, this should be one of it's next evolution steps.
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Either that or you just have the task switch bar on the bottom when you have the old form factor app open. I would prefer that over black bars...
 
Jimrod said:
There's literally just one small aspect of all these mock-ups and samples that makes me think it might not be legit, and it's very small indeed. The rear camera: It doesn't sit right, it's not in the middle of the vertical space on that band and it's too far away from the side to follow the radius of the phone edge.

Ignoring everything else about ratios (and as a product designer I'm also big on Golden Ratio's as Apple are) there's no way I think Jony Ive would let that go. Look at the iPhone 4 and everything sits correctly in its space - the rear camera sits so it follows the corner radius, home button and ear speaker in the middle of their respective bands. I often have to compromise a design due to construction and tooling costs but Apple don't.

These little details bug me so I'm pretty sure they'd bug Jony Ive and that's the sole reason I'm sceptical that this leak may purely be to throw us off the scent (would also tie in with the upped secrecy comments from Tim Cook). I would more readily believe last year's mock-ups with iPad style back panel and small corner radii are the direction they'd be heading with their design regardless of screen size.
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I agree completely. That really looked off to me.
 
Sedulous said:
Is there much benefit to only changing the screen size in one dimension?
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Old apps wont break.

A hardware or software scaler could easily extend the image to fill the extra pixels, or leave old Retina apps in "letterbox" format.

My TV is about 3 years old, and has the ability to scale any image to fill the widescreen HD display, or leave it native with black bars.

Either way, I still trust Apple.
 
blackhand1001 said:
Two phones with the same dimensions but different resolution will arrange the app in the same way just using more pixels on the denser screen.

Edit: Just tried flipboard on both my Galaxy nexus (1280x720 with oncreen buttons) and old droid incredible (480x800). Rendered perfectly on both.
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So from a programming perspective, do you have to take any of this into account? Or do you just program the way you want it to look for one screen dimension and resolution, and it'll look great on every phone?
 
Fragmentation my ass

Hey geniuses, do you think that Apple was gonna release a 4 inch new Iphone and say: "Damn, we didn't think about the fragmentation issue for third party users, meh, let's release it and resolve it ON THE GO"

That dumb you guys look by assuming all the problems for developers.:apple:
 
macandiPhone said:
Everyone seems to be speculating about the 4-inch display but what about the software. Will it have some improvements or new killer apps like 4S had Siri.

Give me a taste of that....:mad::mad:
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well ios 6 seems to be coming with new maps(which will obviously benefit from a bigger screen) along with siri improvements and facebook integration.I hope they have video thumbnail preview like in the galaxy s3.
 
Isn't it possible that this is just the "point and shoot" camera design that is also rumored? It would make sense - the aspect ratio would actually be useful if shooting HD video. Whereas I don't see where 16:9 would add any additional value to the iPhone (besides this use case) and just fragment for developers.
 
RoboCop001 said:
So from a programming perspective, do you have to take any of this into account? Or do you just program the way you want it to look for one screen dimension and resolution, and it'll look great on every phone?
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Android handles the layouts of apps with xml files. There's different levels of dpis for assets called ldpi, mdpi, hdpi, xhdpi. However its not necessary to have every asset in every dpi and most don't. However if you want to tweak things for certain dpis the ability is there.
 
Jimrod said:
There's literally just one small aspect of all these mock-ups and samples that makes me think it might not be legit, and it's very small indeed. The rear camera: It doesn't sit right, it's not in the middle of the vertical space on that band and it's too far away from the side to follow the radius of the phone edge.

Ignoring everything else about ratios (and as a product designer I'm also big on Golden Ratio's as Apple are) there's no way I think Jony Ive would let that go. Look at the iPhone 4 and everything sits correctly in its space - the rear camera sits so it follows the corner radius, home button and ear speaker in the middle of their respective bands. I often have to compromise a design due to construction and tooling costs but Apple don't.

These little details bug me so I'm pretty sure they'd bug Jony Ive and that's the sole reason I'm sceptical that this leak may purely be to throw us off the scent (would also tie in with the upped secrecy comments from Tim Cook). I would more readily believe last year's mock-ups with iPad style back panel and small corner radii are the direction they'd be heading with their design regardless of screen size.
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Anybody with some feel for design (RAMS, BRAUN school etc.) has to be at least wondering.

This elongated thing is so odd that it needs to have a function (form follows function) not explained yet.

In any case either this is not IVE or we'll have to wait until the bad parts of this get spun and explained away.

For now: Gotta see it to believe it!
 
blackhand1001 said:
Android handles the layouts of apps with xml files. There's different levels of dpis for assets called ldpi, mdpi, hdpi, xhdpi. However its not necessary to have every asset in every dpi and most don't. However if you want to tweak things for certain dpis the ability is there.
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Thank you for explaining.

When you say DPI, to me that means it's just a definition of how dense the pixels are, but not a definition of the aspect ratio. So a difference of DPI, like Retina vs Non-retina, is super easy to take care of.

Are you saying the DPI files also deal with the aspect ratio? So, in the case of covering different aspect ratios, I would then make tweaks to the DPI definition files?
 
This is looking more and more like a reality. I hope the phone is thinner still. And I hope it doesn't look like the 4/4S. And I hope that the antenna is better (my iPhone 4 isn't great).

Having said all that, I miss the MBA/MBP/iMac rumors. I want to hear more about that!
 
RoboCop001 said:
Thank you for explaining.

When you say DPI, to me that means it's just a definition of how dense the pixels are, but not a definition of the aspect ratio. So a difference of DPI, like Retina vs Non-retina, is super easy to take care of.

Are you saying the DPI files also deal with the aspect ratio? So, in the case of covering different aspect ratios, I would then make tweaks to the DPI definition files?
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Android for the most part uses relative coordinates rather than absolute coordinates like iOS. It also can wrap elements if the view is narrow. It behaves very differently from iOS. The best way to understand it is to have an android device and mess around with developing or even just change the lcd density setting on a decive which is easy to do when rooted. There are many apps in market that can do this.
 
You know the more and more I think about this idea, I actually like it. I think it's a pretty good solution. Adds screen real estate and yet is much easier to scale than a width and height increase. I think vertical allows for taking better advantage of the screen space also (opposed to increase in both directions). much better for video. Also, due to no width increase it allows the iPhone to fit in all existing iPhone docks (of course if the plug is different that goes out the window).

antonis said:
So, the taller screen with the same width, means that the old applications will be displayed either in the middle with black bars or shifted towards screen top/bottom.

But what about the new apps that will take advantage of the new screen, when displayed on the current models ?
Click to expand...

Regarding the black bars, I'm hoping that on vertical apps it will be at the bottom, and horizontal apps it is in the middle. and I'm sure Apple will require all new apps to be designed for the legacy resolution as well.

kdarling said:
Perhaps apps will not change at all, and the extra room will be used for a permanent notification area at the top and/or a gesture area at the bottom... although the latter might interfere with bottom onscreen tabs.
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That was honestly my first thought when this rumor first came out months ago. I thought Apple create some sort of a widget/notification/something new space at the top.
 
kdarling said:
Perhaps apps will not change at all, and the extra room will be used for a permanent notification area at the top and/or a gesture area at the bottom... although the latter might interfere with bottom onscreen tabs.
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But they could still do that and make the phone wider too thereby not changing the aspect ratio? I fully expect a bigger iphone I just don't want a 16:9 one. :(
 
I really don't like just having a taller phone. Honestly I don't watch to much video on the iphone, I use more apps then I watch video's. And if all my current apps are going to have black bars that is just stupid on apples part! Why fragment it so much in a horrible resolution for a phone. Just make the resolution higher and keep the same aspect ratio, then at least apps will fill the screen and we get better use of the phone. Apple just making it taller is a half ass approach. It's like them compromising trying to make everyone happy... oh its not any wider just taller. so its almost the same size, but at the same time a 4" screen. blahh, BS! And the idea of permanent notification areas is stupid too, can you imagine playing a game and having text messages always there on the screen, what a waste of space!!
 
Jimrod said:
There's literally just one small aspect of all these mock-ups and samples that makes me think it might not be legit, and it's very small indeed. The rear camera: It doesn't sit right, it's not in the middle of the vertical space on that band and it's too far away from the side to follow the radius of the phone edge.

Ignoring everything else about ratios (and as a product designer I'm also big on Golden Ratio's as Apple are) there's no way I think Jony Ive would let that go. Look at the iPhone 4 and everything sits correctly in its space - the rear camera sits so it follows the corner radius, home button and ear speaker in the middle of their respective bands. I often have to compromise a design due to construction and tooling costs but Apple don't.

These little details bug me so I'm pretty sure they'd bug Jony Ive and that's the sole reason I'm sceptical that this leak may purely be to throw us off the scent (would also tie in with the upped secrecy comments from Tim Cook). I would more readily believe last year's mock-ups with iPad style back panel and small corner radii are the direction they'd be heading with their design regardless of screen size.
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I dunno. I think that could simply be a matter of trying to keep the camera as far away from the edges as possible.

The thing that bothers me most about the placement is that it's still in that same corner of the back. I feel like that is a very awkward location as it could be easily covered while taking a picture. Most Phone makers have learned to try to place the lens much closer to the middle. And even their ugly "camera humps" at least help guide you hand away from that location. Why can't Apple put the lens under the :apple:?
 
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